Triptorelin restart experiment (Pharmaceutical grade)

**Bicep321** · 02-12-2018, 06:13 PM

Hey fellas, quick background of my steroid usage over the past 4 years. First cycle was 12 week. Second 6 months blast and cruise. Third 9 months blast and cruise. Fourth 8 months blast and cruise. About 3 months in between each one. Definitely not enough time to recover and yes I did full clomid/nolva pct every time. As of steroid usage, I used deca once, tren several times, masteron several times and Anadrol . Never went super high on any dose. Basically the lowest dose you would take for any of those compounds.

I definitely was never gifted with the ability to recover easily! I never felt recovered before I went on again. Every time I went off, it got progressively worse. This last pct was pretty rough and still is. I’m almost 4 months off and I plan on being off forever. I feel pretty decent overall, only thing I suffer with is ed and no libido whatsoever. My dick is practically useless even with a double dose of viagra. At 25 years old, it’s an absolute nightmare. I’ve been waiting praying for some improvement but absolutely nothing. It’s extremely mentally taxing and I don’t know if I can continue this for much longer. Everyone says to wait and give it time but my morale is pretty low and it feels like things will never improve.

So I have Diphereline (triptorelin embonate) on the way and should have it within two weeks. I feel like there aren’t any good logs where there was real pharmaceutical grade triptorelin used.

As far as bloodwork, I have gotten three since my last pin. One was about 8 days after last pin, then I got one on second week of pct. Good thing to note here is that lh and fsh were elevated due to clomid and nolva and testosterone was 770. This means that my testicles are not permanently atrophied. About 2.5 weeks after I finished my pct protocol, my bloodwork came back with total test 342 and pretty low range fsh and lh. I could upload pictures if anyone wants to see the results. This last blood test was done January 2, 2018. It is now February 12, 2018 and I have felt no improvement. As a matter of fact, I feel worse than I did a month ago. It’s almost as if once all the pct drugs cleared, I had a crash. I was at least able to use viagra to reach erection and did have sex several times during pct. Now I am completely incapable of doing that.

I think it’s pretty safe to say my test and lh/fsh are lower end at the moment. I’m guessing probably under 300 total test. I will get bloodwork right before using 100mcg of pharm triptorelin. I will also add nolvadex 20mg every other day post injection. I will run the nolvadex for about 30 days. Then wait a few weeks and get blood work. I will document everything I feel during this time period. After months of being sexually shut down, I will be able to tell very clearly when if any improvement is made.

I also have a blood test scheduled for July. So that will also be posted here to see the true long term effects of triptorelin and nolvadex combo.

There’s so much scaremongering going around about this peptide that it’s making me nervous. I have contacted two guys on some of the forums that used the same diphereline I’m going to use and they both had success with it which has made me pretty confident that at the very least, I won’t destroy my hpta like everyone is so scared of. Triptorelin acetate is what you’ll find on research chem sites. This is the shortest acting ester and it’s what everyone says is the trip you need to use for our purposes. Pamoate is a longer acting version and embonate is the LONGEST ester.

When diphereline is used to treat prostate cancer, otherwise known as chemical castration, the dosing protocol for complete hpta shutdown is as follows:

3.75mg once a month
Or
11.25mg every three months
Or
22.5mg every 6 months

This is the source for that info:
http://www.prostate.org.au/awareness...r/diphereline/

Clearly those doses are way higher than what we would take for a pct. Keep in mind, triptorelin can be very harmful for bone mass and cause a lot of health issues in that regard. It’s not necessarily a ‘healthy’ drug to take at those dosages. So I assume that in the medical field they have figured out that 3.75mg is the lowest dose, to successfully castrate and have minimal negative effect to the skeletal system. I would say that’s a safe assumption. I don’t think they would use higher dosages than necessary considering how detrimental it can be in long term. This also gives me confidence that at 100mcg, I should be pretty safe.

So that’s the run down. Please anybody that has any good valuable information or tips, chime in. Anybody who has used it, share your experiences. My goal is to provide everyone on the internet with a real life experience, fully documented and backed up with blood work experiment with legitimate triptorelin. Hopefully this will provide others some insight and it will help change the way we recover from steroid usage.

Thanks everyone! Stay tuned

**kelkel** · 02-12-2018, 06:33 PM

I'd consider bw about 8 weeks post pct to make sure your levels are not slowly rising before I embark on this. It's normal after pct for a drop to occur, then your hpta has to be given time to reset on it's own without stimulation. Maybe it already has but imho 2.5 weeks in not near enough time.

Regardless, best of luck and keep us informed please!

**Bicep321** · 02-12-2018, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

I'd consider bw about 8 weeks post pct to make sure your levels are not slowly rising before I embark on this. It's normal after pct for a drop to occur, then your hpta has to be given time to reset on it's own without stimulation. Maybe it already has but imho 2.5 weeks in not near enough time.

Regardless, best of luck and keep us informed please!

yes, you're correct. 2.5 weeks was not enough. I believe serms were still in the system. That's why I believe my hormones are probably lower now than they were in those results. Nonetheless, I'm gonna get bloodwork before I take trip, and I'll post here.

**Bicep321** · 02-12-2018, 06:55 PM

GnRH Therapy
In patients with an otherwise intact pituitary gland
and hypogonadotropic hypogonadism, synthetic GnRH
can be given in a pulsatile fashion subcutaneously through
a pump every 2 hours. GnRH therapy is monitored by
measuring LH, FSH, and testosterone levels every 2
weeks until levels are in the normal range, at which point
monitoring can be adjusted to every 2 months. GnRH can
be used to initiate pubertal development, maintain virilization
and sexual function, and initiate and maintain spermatogenesis.
In most patients, these effects may take from
3 to 15 months to achieve sperm production (73). As with
gonadotropin therapy, fertility can be achieved with very
low sperm counts—often in the range of 1 million/mL.
GnRH may be more effective than gonadotropin stimulation
in increasing testicular size and initiating spermatogenesis
in many patients with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism
(74).

https://www.aace.com/files/hypo-gonadism.pdf

This is regarding Gonadorelin, not Triptorelin. Thought I'd share

**kelkel** · 02-12-2018, 07:30 PM

Great to see someone doing their research!

**Bicep321** · 02-28-2018, 09:17 PM

I just got my triptorelin. I shot 100mcg today. So far my nuts are definitely hanging low.

**kelkel** · 03-01-2018, 10:25 AM

Until they hit cold water.....

**Bicep321** · 03-01-2018, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Until they hit cold water.....

Yep lol but really, they have been consistently loose since I took the shot. Before they were pretty tight.

**kelkel** · 03-01-2018, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by Bicep321

Yep lol but really, they have been consistently loose since I took the shot. Before they were pretty tight.

Very interested to see how recovery goes. You will be pulling BW later, correct?

**Bicep321** · 03-01-2018, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Very interested to see how recovery goes. You will be pulling BW later, correct?

Yes.

**Bicep321** · 03-04-2018, 01:47 PM

Update. It’s been 4 days since injection. I have noticed a sense of well being since I took it. Nothing crazy but I’ve been overall more lively. My balls are for sure bigger and hanging real low. I wasn’t severely atrophied but they were a little tight. I can say with certainty that it has definitely plumped up my balls.

As far as libido and ed goes, I have had zero improvement. Erections are almost impossible to come by. No morning wood sadly.

A lot of people claim that they get a blue balls feeling for a few days, I personally haven’t. I think it’s because my balls never fully atrophied and they’ve been functional.

So far, I think it has elevated my testosterone . I have a lab order and I’m gonna wait another 10 days or so to go get the bloodwork done. Hopefully it’s good news. The most important thing for me is to get libido and erectile function back. So we’ll see. I’m hoping that maybe after a few weeks of having a good testosterone level in my body, that stuff is gonna start making improvement.

Also I decided not to use nolvadex because I want to stop taking drugs that are affecting my hpta.

**paul_** · 03-06-2018, 02:03 AM

Have you had hcg in any of your cycles ?

**Bicep321** · 03-07-2018, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by paul_

Have you had hcg in any of your cycles ?

Yes I always used hcg

**oswaldosalcedo** · 03-07-2018, 03:45 PM

bloodwork

**Bicep321** · 03-07-2018, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by oswaldosalcedo

bloodwork

Coming very soon.

**robyrto** · 04-26-2018, 11:37 AM

Any news ?
I ve used tripto ...i Think you need more shot

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**Bicep321** · 05-23-2018, 08:03 PM

Hey guys, sorry for the late update.

Triptorelin definitely did it’s job. 1 month after the injection I pulled bloods and test came back at 424. It’s definitely not what it’s made out to seem like one shot and you’re good, back to normal test. You probably need to run it in conjunction with a pct and do multiple shots over a period of time.

I didn’t do immediate bloodwork cause I live in jersey and can’t order my own, so I had one available and that was by calling my doctor and telling her I was “concerned” lol

But seriously, triptorelin is not something to be so afraid of. The fear mongering needs to stop because I believe it’s effective and it should be in every pct protocol. As a matter of fact, I think it’s something that should be used once a month. Unless if you’re throwing in pct drugs in there, then I would suggest taking it at the start of pct, and after nolva/clomid is discontinued.

I ended up going back on trt dose test to attempt to recover mentally. I learned a lot from some very knowledgeable guys regarding the adrenal system and reward system. That’s what I’m working on right now. No clear results yet.

But please people, start looking for a source for triptorelin because I think it really enhances the effectiveness of a pct. It’s ridiculous that so much speculation has lead to fear and it’s still not common place for all of us. Hope this helps!

**jijij** · 01-17-2020, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Bicep321

Hey guys, sorry for the late update.

Triptorelin definitely did it’s job. 1 month after the injection I pulled bloods and test came back at 424. It’s definitely not what it’s made out to seem like one shot and you’re good, back to normal test. You probably need to run it in conjunction with a pct and do multiple shots over a period of time.

I didn’t do immediate bloodwork cause I live in jersey and can’t order my own, so I had one available and that was by calling my doctor and telling her I was “concerned” lol

But seriously, triptorelin is not something to be so afraid of. The fear mongering needs to stop because I believe it’s effective and it should be in every pct protocol. As a matter of fact, I think it’s something that should be used once a month. Unless if you’re throwing in pct drugs in there, then I would suggest taking it at the start of pct, and after nolva/clomid is discontinued.

I ended up going back on trt dose test to attempt to recover mentally. I learned a lot from some very knowledgeable guys regarding the adrenal system and reward system. That’s what I’m working on right now. No clear results yet.

But please people, start looking for a source for triptorelin because I think it really enhances the effectiveness of a pct. It’s ridiculous that so much speculation has lead to fear and it’s still not common place for all of us. Hope this helps!

Slightly old thread, but too interesting subject not to inquire further.

How long it was after your last shot of trip before you went back on PCT?

What did you have to recover mentally from by going back on pct?

**fightnews** · 01-25-2020, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by Bicep321

Hey fellas, quick background of my steroid usage over the past 4 years. First cycle was 12 week. Second 6 months blast and cruise. Third 9 months blast and cruise. Fourth 8 months blast and cruise. About 3 months in between each one. Definitely not enough time to recover and yes I did full clomid/nolva pct every time. As of steroid usage, I used deca once, tren several times, masteron several times and Anadrol . Never went super high on any dose. Basically the lowest dose you would take for any of those compounds.

I definitely was never gifted with the ability to recover easily! I never felt recovered before I went on again. Every time I went off, it got progressively worse. This last pct was pretty rough and still is. I’m almost 4 months off and I plan on being off forever. I feel pretty decent overall, only thing I suffer with is ed and no libido whatsoever. My dick is practically useless even with a double dose of viagra. At 25 years old, it’s an absolute nightmare. I’ve been waiting praying for some improvement but absolutely nothing. It’s extremely mentally taxing and I don’t know if I can continue this for much longer. Everyone says to wait and give it time but my morale is pretty low and it feels like things will never improve.

So I have Diphereline (triptorelin embonate) on the way and should have it within two weeks. I feel like there aren’t any good logs where there was real pharmaceutical grade triptorelin used.

As far as bloodwork, I have gotten three since my last pin. One was about 8 days after last pin, then I got one on second week of pct. Good thing to note here is that lh and fsh were elevated due to clomid and nolva and testosterone was 770. This means that my testicles are not permanently atrophied. About 2.5 weeks after I finished my pct protocol, my bloodwork came back with total test 342 and pretty low range fsh and lh. I could upload pictures if anyone wants to see the results. This last blood test was done January 2, 2018. It is now February 12, 2018 and I have felt no improvement. As a matter of fact, I feel worse than I did a month ago. It’s almost as if once all the pct drugs cleared, I had a crash. I was at least able to use viagra to reach erection and did have sex several times during pct. Now I am completely incapable of doing that.

I think it’s pretty safe to say my test and lh/fsh are lower end at the moment. I’m guessing probably under 300 total test. I will get bloodwork right before using 100mcg of pharm triptorelin. I will also add nolvadex 20mg every other day post injection. I will run the nolvadex for about 30 days. Then wait a few weeks and get blood work. I will document everything I feel during this time period. After months of being sexually shut down, I will be able to tell very clearly when if any improvement is made.

I also have a blood test scheduled for July. So that will also be posted here to see the true long term effects of triptorelin and nolvadex combo.

There’s so much scaremongering going around about this peptide that it’s making me nervous. I have contacted two guys on some of the forums that used the same diphereline I’m going to use and they both had success with it which has made me pretty confident that at the very least, I won’t destroy my hpta like everyone is so scared of. Triptorelin acetate is what you’ll find on research chem sites. This is the shortest acting ester and it’s what everyone says is the trip you need to use for our purposes. Pamoate is a longer acting version and embonate is the LONGEST ester.

When diphereline is used to treat prostate cancer, otherwise known as chemical castration, the dosing protocol for complete hpta shutdown is as follows:

3.75mg once a month
Or
11.25mg every three months
Or
22.5mg every 6 months

This is the source for that info:
http://www.prostate.org.au/awareness...r/diphereline/

Clearly those doses are way higher than what we would take for a pct. Keep in mind, triptorelin can be very harmful for bone mass and cause a lot of health issues in that regard. It’s not necessarily a ‘healthy’ drug to take at those dosages. So I assume that in the medical field they have figured out that 3.75mg is the lowest dose, to successfully castrate and have minimal negative effect to the skeletal system. I would say that’s a safe assumption. I don’t think they would use higher dosages than necessary considering how detrimental it can be in long term. This also gives me confidence that at 100mcg, I should be pretty safe.

So that’s the run down. Please anybody that has any good valuable information or tips, chime in. Anybody who has used it, share your experiences. My goal is to provide everyone on the internet with a real life experience, fully documented and backed up with blood work experiment with legitimate triptorelin. Hopefully this will provide others some insight and it will help change the way we recover from steroid usage.

Thanks everyone! Stay tuned

How was your libido before you started using 4 years ago? Did you start using with the goal of improving your libido? Not everyone has a raging libido to begin with. Its like anything else there is a high end and a low end regarding the male population. I did test for a year then got off it 4 years ago. It took like a year to feel back to normal with full pct. You def need more time. I didn't feel horrible for a year just not 100 percent I guess.

I'm 41 so you should hopefully bounce back faster. I quit training when I stopped so if you keep it up that will be huge. Have you tried any natural stuff to boost libido or even like an extra cycle of clomid? I know from experience some of them help in that department.

The other big thing is are you on any medications that can lower libido? Any SSRI'S or Propecia or anything like that?

**fightnews** · 01-25-2020, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Bicep321

Hey guys, sorry for the late update.

Triptorelin definitely did it’s job. 1 month after the injection I pulled bloods and test came back at 424. It’s definitely not what it’s made out to seem like one shot and you’re good, back to normal test. You probably need to run it in conjunction with a pct and do multiple shots over a period of time.

I didn’t do immediate bloodwork cause I live in jersey and can’t order my own, so I had one available and that was by calling my doctor and telling her I was “concerned” lol

But seriously, triptorelin is not something to be so afraid of. The fear mongering needs to stop because I believe it’s effective and it should be in every pct protocol. As a matter of fact, I think it’s something that should be used once a month. Unless if you’re throwing in pct drugs in there, then I would suggest taking it at the start of pct, and after nolva/clomid is discontinued.

I ended up going back on trt dose test to attempt to recover mentally. I learned a lot from some very knowledgeable guys regarding the adrenal system and reward system. That’s what I’m working on right now. No clear results yet.

But please people, start looking for a source for triptorelin because I think it really enhances the effectiveness of a pct. It’s ridiculous that so much speculation has lead to fear and it’s still not common place for all of us. Hope this helps!

So much for staying off forever lmao! I'm not knocking you I did the same thing I just started up again after 4 years.

But to be clear, going on a trt dose of test is never going to do anything to help you get your natural production back correct? It's only going to further crush it into the ground. 25-26 is very young to go on a permanent trt test dose for life. That could be a very long time.