EQ PCT Questions

First time gear-er here. 32 years old. Advanced lifter. Was considering going straight to Tren, but after research decided I'd get my feet wet with Equipoise first and see how it goes. Planning on 400-450mg a week.

After reading on here I realized I have no fucking clue how to pct. My buddy who himself started on it, never used any SERM, and from what I read, it's mild enough it usually isn't necessary for most. Is this true?

Next comes the Nat test restart. I've read so many reviews on the natural herbal stuff, but that all seems kind of bunk if you will. Do I need a HGC? How do I need to plan this to maintain these gains?

I read on here 21 days after last Inject is when I should start. I'm still probably 3 weeks out from starting to I have plenty of time.

You need to read this https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...rst-cycle.html

Ok due to this sites absolutely fucking retarded spam policy I can't post the questions accurately like I'd like, so I'll type as best I can.

Thanks I read the article. My questions are it posts the two big PCT (N&C) and the recommended dosages, is that what I'd want for mine? Is a one size fits all type thing like what that article suggests what I want to go with? Also it places a pretty heavy mention on hgc, is it really that important with even a milder thing like EQ?

Anybody with experience using eq care to post what they did, or is the articles general advice what I should go with? Thanks

Don’t run EQ alone.

Read

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...all-costs.html

Thanks for the article. Man this cycle gets more and more expensive by the day lol.

Really thanks though. It's becoming apparent how I was heading into this half cocked and clueless.

I'll update this post when I get with my guy and figure out what kind of T I'll be running with the EQ. In the meantime still have the questions regarding the pct

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Thanks for the article. Man this cycle gets more and more expensive by the day lol.

Really thanks though. It's becoming apparent how I was heading into this half cocked and clueless.

I'll update this post when I get with my guy and figure out what kind of T I'll be running with the EQ. In the meantime still have the questions regarding the pct

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I'd forget the eq its useless and a waste of space in any syringe imho.

Here's my thinking. There's no denying Tren is way more effective, but the most I've ever put in my body is whey protein and creatine.

My theory is if you are going to drive race cars you want to start out with the test car Instead of jumping straight into the F1 Ferrari. I could be way off but that's how I look at it

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Here's my thinking. There's no denying Tren is way more effective, but the most I've ever put in my body is whey protein and creatine.

My theory is if you are going to drive race cars you want to start out with the test car Instead of jumping straight into the F1 Ferrari. I could be way off but that's how I look at it

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That’s why you want to start your first cycle with testosterone only because that’s the base of all cycles or the “test car” if you will...most compounds are derivatives of test...

Yeah that's what the first link I was provided with said. I'd be open to doing just Test, but it kind of depends on the availability of it.

I'm going third hand basically through a friend who is getting from his guy. So it's kind of a question of availability as well. He was EQ and tren for sure, but I'm not even sure if this guy has Nova clomid for sale on hand. I would assume he has just test as well. But according to that article it's basically the same (pct and ai/hgc) wise as running just test vs test and an anabolic. Why go through all that work and money for just test I guess is my question.

because you will get your best results from test only period...it is the benchmark for all anabolic as it has an anabolic/androgenic ratio of 100/100...don't even think of tren if you are as green as you seem through your posts you are far from ready for that imho...

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Yeah that's what the first link I was provided with said. I'd be open to doing just Test, but it kind of depends on the availability of it.

I'm going third hand basically through a friend who is getting from his guy. So it's kind of a question of availability as well. He was EQ and tren for sure, but I'm not even sure if this guy has Nova clomid for sale on hand. I would assume he has just test as well. But according to that article it's basically the same (pct and ai/hgc) wise as running just test vs test and an anabolic. Why go through all that work and money for just test I guess is my question.

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- Source gear yourself. Relying on other people is setting yourself up to fail

- If you cycle without Test, which is stupid for 101 reasons, don't expect your dick to work.

- If you run into side effects and are running more than one compound you won't know which compound at what dose is causing the problems. This will lead to wasting half your cycle doing trial and error to fix the problem

- Don't buy AI or PCT compounds from an UGL - buy only pharmagrade. You can't leave estrogen control up to chance, unless you don't mind ending up with breasts and have a female friend to lend you bras.

- Equipoise is literally useless if you aren't injecting it into a horse for racing. I would argue it's more detrimental than beneficial because it jacks your Red Blood Cell count and Hematocrit levels (thickening of your blood).

- Remove Tren from your vocabulary until your 5-6 cycles in. Steroids have a ceiling, if you start with the strongest steroid you are already at the ceiling and have no where left to go. It also has the worst side effects.

- I would challenge your diet first and foremost. Post it up for review. Without an optimized nutrition program you are wasting your time and money with steroids.

- Stop listening to friends, bros on Youtube, etc and take the time to learn and educate yourself on everything from A-Z. This forum has all the documented literature necessary for you to build a foundation.

Once you understand how everything works, then invest time into finding a source for gear, then do blood work, then worry about cycling.

Very basic tips to follow. Failure to follow these guidelines will result in only an empty wallet on your end with nothing to show for it

Ok the spam filter is making it impossible to reply to you two but lll try.


Boyd
Yes I agree I was not ready for Tren, that's why I wanted EQ first, but I didn't realize it was such a trash product. Most of the online info spoke fairly highly of it.

Windex

I feel my diet has and is on point. I have it completely logged but I'm at work and don't have the specifics, but I maintain at around 3600 Cal 200g protein low fat fairly high carb, low sugar.

I do need to do more research this is true, but sourcing gear is kind of a mystery to me. I haven't a clue where to find a reputable internet provider, if there even is such a thing. Real life I live in a smaller area, and lift primarily at night. From what I've seen come through there I'm by far the most advanced guy in there, so it isn't just a case of 'go up to the biggest guy and make friends.' My friend lives in a bigger City so he has those connections.

I'm assuming you would also suggest just test for a beginning cycle or two.

Thanks both for the responses guys. I appreciate taking the time to type it out, and I am doing my best to listen, learn, and take it all into consideration.

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Ok the spam filter is making it impossible to reply to you two but lll try.


Boyd
Yes I agree I was not ready for Tren, that's why I wanted EQ first, but I didn't realize it was such a trash product. Most of the online info spoke fairly highly of it.

Windex

I feel my diet has and is on point. I have it completely logged but I'm at work and don't have the specifics, but I maintain at around 3600 Cal 200g protein low fat fairly high carb, low sugar. This doesn't mean much out of context without stats. If you don't know what TDEE means, how to manage micronutrients, digestion, understand the differences between types of fat, etc, you aren't close to having an optimized diet.

I do need to do more research this is true, but sourcing gear is kind of a mystery to me. I haven't a clue where to find a reputable internet provider, if there even is such a thing. Real life I live in a smaller area, and lift primarily at night. From what I've seen come through there I'm by far the most advanced guy in there, so it isn't just a case of 'go up to the biggest guy and make friends.' My friend lives in a bigger City so he has those connections. This isn't a valid excuse to buy gear willy-nilly. I live down the street from the Arctic Circle, across from the middle of nowhere. The internet makes finding sources easy if you put in the effort, time, and work. We have a sticky on how not to get scammed.

I'm assuming you would also suggest just test for a beginning cycle or two. Always test only for first cycle for reasons mentioned in my previous post.

Thanks both for the responses guys. I appreciate taking the time to type it out, and I am doing my best to listen, learn, and take it all into consideration.

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Tdee means nothing to me tbh. I have my #'s to where I know what I eat at maintenance. +400 cal to gain 1 lb every 1.5 weeks. -400 cal to lose 1lb every 2. If I want to heavy bulk double it, heavy cut double it, etc

1. Wake up. Protein shake. 2 bagels. 4 boiled eggs. 16oz milk
2. 4 hours later. Stacked ham sandwich (or peanut butter at times)
3. 4 hours later protein shake.
4. 2.5-3 hours later mass gainer- straight to gym
5. Bag of rice and chicken breast tenderloins straight after gym. 4 boiled eggs. 16 oz milk
6. 16 oz milk + protein shake. Bed
Almonds throughout the day when I get a little hungry. I eat this every day 6 days a week. 7th is cheat day so substitute in cheat meal for the dinner part.

Before you lambast me for all the shakes I work as an engineer on the RR. I'm on a train sometimes up to 12 hours a day. There's no room for me to carry a giant lunch box with all my stuff. Also the bathrooms on trains are worse than a porter potty at the shittest. Summer concert you've ever been to. I don't use them, so I've trained my body not to need to with this.

As far as not going 3rd person yeah I see your point. I'm already having trouble communicating trying to go through my guy to his guy. I don't have a power box though, safe to ship stuff to your home address?

I will be taking everyone's advice and running just test. Do you support the cycle listed on the beginners steroids link?

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Tdee means nothing to me tbh. I have my #'s to where I know what I eat at maintenance. +400 cal to gain 1 lb every 1.5 weeks. -400 cal to lose 1lb every 2. If I want to heavy bulk double it, heavy cut double it, etc

1. Wake up. Protein shake. 2 bagels. 4 boiled eggs. 16oz milk
2. 4 hours later. Stacked ham sandwich (or peanut butter at times)
3. 4 hours later protein shake.
4. 2.5-3 hours later mass gainer- straight to gym
5. Bag of rice and chicken breast tenderloins straight after gym. 4 boiled eggs. 16 oz milk
6. 16 oz milk + protein shake. Bed
Almonds throughout the day when I get a little hungry. I eat this every day 6 days a week. 7th is cheat day so substitute in cheat meal for the dinner part.

Before you lambast me for all the shakes I work as an engineer on the RR. I'm on a train sometimes up to 12 hours a day. There's no room for me to carry a giant lunch box with all my stuff. Also the bathrooms on trains are worse than a porter potty at the shittest. Summer concert you've ever been to. I don't use them, so I've trained my body not to need to with this.

As far as not going 3rd person yeah I see your point. I'm already having trouble communicating trying to go through my guy to his guy. I don't have a power box though, safe to ship stuff to your home address?

I will be taking everyone's advice and running just test. Do you support the cycle listed on the beginners steroids link?

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Yes you need to follow the first cycle link.

I assume you mean PO Box not power box. No, I don't use one currently but I have in the past, either option is fine either direct to home or PO Box.

You need to calculate your TDEE to get a more accurate representation of how many calories you need.

https://forums.steroid.com/diet-nutr...penditure.html

Bagels and processed refined carbs (bread) are garbage. They are barely better straight sugar. Replace with proper carbs. Only good grain breads are P28 and Ezekiel bread, both of which are expensive

I don't see macros attached to each meal but at a glance doesn't seem close to enough protein.

Mass gainer shakes are useless, toss it in the garbage. Protein/Mass supplements in general are useless. I understand you have no room to carry a fridge but you need to instead make your own shakes.

Basic example of a proper "gainer" shake

- Nut Butter (PB, Almond, Hazelnut, etc)
- Oats
- Fruit
- Milk (Any version, whatever suits your macros, don't be afraid of whole milk), Reduce to skim or almond/coconut milk if needed
- Liquid Egg Whites
- Coffee packets, cinnamon, cocao powder, etc to add for flavor

Make it before you leave, wrap an icepak around it with a rubber band and you have a cold shake to drink later on, simple and easy.


If the ham is a deli meat style replace. Deli meats full of sulfites and chemicals and junk.


You need vegetables, micronutrition is key. All the food in the world won't help if your body can't digest it or have the right vitamins/minerals. The greener and leafy'er the vegetables the better.

Your diet is currently 3.5-4/10 and is not optimized to warrant using steroids without you wasting your time and money. Tweak your diet based on the above, run for 4-8 weeks minimum to make sure your body adjusts to the food changes, then worry about cycling. You also need to do bloodwork before cycling as well - full panel.

I will give it a shot. Some of those diet changes will not be feasible, but I can prob substitute bagels and bread for potatos and the like.

Yeah phone auto corrected PO box ha

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I will give it a shot. Some of those diet changes will not be feasible, but I can prob substitute bagels and bread for potatos and the like.

Yeah phone auto corrected PO box ha

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What part is not feasible? You have to be creative if you want to be successful you can't use your job as an excuse. You could even do baking and make your own protein bars, protein cookies, etc.

Here are the problems with protein powder and gainer supplements :

- There is no quality control, the only thing the companies are legally required to do is write the ingredients on the label.

- You have no way to verify what the label says is correct. Not too long ago Quest got nailed for falsifying their nutritional information on their bars. If one of the biggest supplement companies in the world is doing it, their all doing it.

- Ingrefients are legally written in order of predominance. That means the ingredient listed first represents the largest % of the nutritional information. The easiest example to see this as a problem is to look at Casein Protein Powders. Most of the time, casein is listed as the 3rd or 4th ingredient and typically whey concentrate is listed first because that's the cheapest form of milk protein and casein the most expensive. Sometimes soy protein is listed first at which point your drinking estrogen.

The companies are about business, they don't care about your health. for all we know it's 99% bottom of the barrel whey concentrate with 1% other protein and they are laughing all the way to the bank.

Rich Piana in one of his last interviews talked about his supplement company and stated, he had to make his supplement for less than $4 to be profitable. What kind of quality do you think you are getting for $4?

Nutrition is the end all be all of bodybuilding. That's why you see guys running grams of gear drinking protein shakes like Koolaid with shit bodies and then you have monsters like dorian yates who ran a fraction of the gear people use today.

If you can't figure out a way to have 90%-95% of your protein intake with real food instead of powder you simply will not be successful with steroids or bodybuilding in general. Our diet section has hundreds of recipes. Maximum of 1 scoop of protein for your whole day.

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Originally Posted by ROME-IS-BURNING

Tdee means nothing to me tbh. I have my #'s to where I know what I eat at maintenance. +400 cal to gain 1 lb every 1.5 weeks. -400 cal to lose 1lb every 2. If I want to heavy bulk double it, heavy cut double it, etc

1. Wake up. Protein shake. 2 bagels. 4 boiled eggs. 16oz milk
2. 4 hours later. Stacked ham sandwich (or peanut butter at times)
3. 4 hours later protein shake.
4. 2.5-3 hours later mass gainer- straight to gym
5. Bag of rice and chicken breast tenderloins straight after gym. 4 boiled eggs. 16 oz milk
6. 16 oz milk + protein shake. Bed
Almonds throughout the day when I get a little hungry. I eat this every day 6 days a week. 7th is cheat day so substitute in cheat meal for the dinner part.

Before you lambast me for all the shakes I work as an engineer on the RR. I'm on a train sometimes up to 12 hours a day. There's no room for me to carry a giant lunch box with all my stuff. Also the bathrooms on trains are worse than a porter potty at the shittest. Summer concert you've ever been to. I don't use them, so I've trained my body not to need to with this.

As far as not going 3rd person yeah I see your point. I'm already having trouble communicating trying to go through my guy to his guy. I don't have a power box though, safe to ship stuff to your home address?

I will be taking everyone's advice and running just test. Do you support the cycle listed on the beginners steroids link?

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Thats odd, in general, there are 3500 cal / pound (and 3500 is also believed to be on the low side)..... But if those numbers work for you, they work. Out of curiosity, you should look up your TDEE and compare.

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What part is not feasible? You have to be creative if you want to be successful you can't use your job as an excuse. You could even do baking and make your own protein bars, protein cookies, etc.

Here are the problems with protein powder and gainer supplements :

- There is no quality control, the only thing the companies are legally required to do is write the ingredients on the label.

- You have no way to verify what the label says is correct. Not too long ago Quest got nailed for falsifying their nutritional information on their bars. If one of the biggest supplement companies in the world is doing it, their all doing it.

- Ingrefients are legally written in order of predominance. That means the ingredient listed first represents the largest % of the nutritional information. The easiest example to see this as a problem is to look at Casein Protein Powders. Most of the time, casein is listed as the 3rd or 4th ingredient and typically whey concentrate is listed first because that's the cheapest form of milk protein and casein the most expensive. Sometimes soy protein is listed first at which point your drinking estrogen.

The companies are about business, they don't care about your health. for all we know it's 99% bottom of the barrel whey concentrate with 1% other protein and they are laughing all the way to the bank.

Rich Piana in one of his last interviews talked about his supplement company and stated, he had to make his supplement for less than $4 to be profitable. What kind of quality do you think you are getting for $4?

Nutrition is the end all be all of bodybuilding. That's why you see guys running grams of gear drinking protein shakes like Koolaid with shit bodies and then you have monsters like dorian yates who ran a fraction of the gear people use today.

If you can't figure out a way to have 90%-95% of your protein intake with real food instead of powder you simply will not be successful with steroids or bodybuilding in general. Our diet section has hundreds of recipes. Maximum of 1 scoop of protein for your whole day.

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Can we get some kool-aid flavored protein shakes though?

Windex

It is laziness on my part yes, the sheer convenience of just being able to slam a shake down is unrivalled. I could cut out the wake up shake, thebefore bed with milk is staying for the caesin effect.

Mid day shake could also be replaced with some more chicken or flank steak whatever... Or I'll check the recipe section out like you suggested out depending on if my body can handle the extra real food load. I'm telling you bro I'm not taking a shit in a train toilet, I don't care what Yates would say about it.

Beer

That's with a cardio increase though. I was saying I cut the 400 from my diet not total number cut via diet and exercise.

And I'm sure there is a kool-aid or fruit punch flavor out there already. For creatine there for sure is.

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Windex

It is laziness on my part yes, the sheer convenience of just being able to slam a shake down is unrivalled. I could cut out the wake up shake, thebefore bed with milk is staying for the caesin effect.

Mid day shake could also be replaced with some more chicken or flank steak whatever... Or I'll check the recipe section out like you suggested out depending on if my body can handle the extra real food load. I'm telling you bro I'm not taking a shit in a train toilet, I don't care what Yates would say about it.

Beer

That's with a cardio increase though. I was saying I cut the 400 from my diet not total number cut via diet and exercise.

And I'm sure there is a kool-aid or fruit punch flavor out there already. For creatine there for sure is.

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If you are lazy and don't have the bare minimum mental discipline to meal prep and bulk cook or work around your schedule to eat real food then there is no purpose whatsoever to be considering steroids at any point, now or in the future.

You are the perfect victim for the supplement companies which is why it's a billion dollar industry. The John Smith looking for a shortcut that doesn't recognize it's a waste of money and time. Figure out solutions, not excuses.


Also when you are drinking so many calories/day and you stop gaining weight, you won't be able to eat more because you haven't conditioned your digestion or body to consume more food, so you're creating a virtual ceiling just from the fluids alone. Then, when you go to cut weight you are going to be starving 24/7 because fluids have no satiety.

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If you are lazy and don't have the bare minimum mental discipline to meal prep and bulk cook or work around your schedule to eat real food then there is no purpose whatsoever to be considering steroids at any point, now or in the future.

You are the perfect victim for the supplement companies which is why it's a billion dollar industry. The John Smith looking for a shortcut that doesn't recognize it's a waste of money and time. Figure out solutions, not excuses.


Also when you are drinking so many calories/day and you stop gaining weight, you won't be able to eat more because you haven't conditioned your digestion or body to consume more food, so you're creating a virtual ceiling just from the fluids alone. Then, when you go to cut weight you are going to be starving 24/7 because fluids have no satiety.

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Give him an example Win, post a normal day of eating for you
That's what helped me get started. Saw someones daily log, substituted, experimented, learned. See what you can change without changing the macros, read about it when you have questions, post on forums, etc. It is less intimidating when you have a base to start from.

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Give him an example Win, post a normal day of eating for you
That's what helped me get started. Saw someones daily log, substituted, experimented, learned. See what you can change without changing the macros, read about it when you have questions, post on forums, etc. It is less intimidating when you have a base to start from.

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Give him an example Win, post a normal day of eating for you
That's what helped me get started. Saw someones daily log, substituted, experimented, learned. See what you can change without changing the macros, read about it when you have questions, post on forums, etc. It is less intimidating when you have a base to start from.

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60g Oats
1 Cup Egg Whites
1 Whole egg

1 Hour training

350g Greek yogurt (no fat, no sugar added)
100g mixed berries (black, straw, blue, rasp)

200g Chicken
1/2 TBSP olive oil
kale + spinach + collared greens

200g Chicken
1/3 cup white rice
Mixed peppers

45 min training

200g chicken
1/3cup white rice
mixed peppers

3 whole eggs
1/2 tbsp olive oil
asparagus + broccoli

1 hour training

1/2 tbsp almond butter
cucumber
Chicken Livers or Steak (top sirloin / ribeyee), 45-50g of protein worth. good choice Varies based $$$


Add homemade quacamole twice a week (leg training days) to 2 chicken meals for added fat+cals.

Sunday only day off. Extra veg and 1 chicken+rice meal removed. Reduced oats to 40g.

Approx 1000mg of Sodium after each workout. 700mL water with each meal. 1L water with each training session. 1L of water to start the day. Roughly 2 gallons of water per day

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Also when you are drinking so many calories/day and you stop gaining weight, you won't be able to eat more because you haven't conditioned your digestion or body to consume more food, so you're creating a virtual ceiling just from the fluids alone. Then, when you go to cut weight you are going to be starving 24/7 because fluids have no satiety."

I see what you are saying, but when I have not had shakes for whatever reason I always am extremely hungry and eat excessively more to make up for it. My body doesn't shut down or not handle the extra food load.

That is an impressive diet and training schedule, and I will try and help tailor mine off of that like the other gentleman (Beer) suggested, but I'll never come close to that schedule. I'm not training to be a pro body builder. I mean I don't have the work or life schedule to allow for that. 4 days a week in the gym, single sessions, 1.5 hour sessions on avg is what I am able to put in naturally. With the increased recover potential with gear I can prob bump that to 6 days if I don't get out super late from work.

And because I can forsee you saying not worth using then, it is worth it to me. It will help me reach strength and body levels that I obviously will not ever be able to achieve naturally.

It will be worth it to you if you fix your diet. Going down to 1 shake per day is attainable with the right mindset and attitude. Can even take baby steps and eliminate 1 shake at a time.

Another solution (as a temporary bandaid) is to go Ketogenic since Keto foods don't really require refrigeration (real cured meats, real jerky, cheese, etc)

I would suggest going though the recipe section of the forums - it should spark some ideas for you.

The reason you are hungry is more than likely due to lack of vegetables in your diet. They fill you up while being chalk full of nutrients. Vegetables are the most expensive part of my diet because I have to eat so many in order to stay close to full until my next meal.

I spend about $40-50 per week on vegetables

I went and checked out the diet/recipe forum, and all of the protein bar/mass gainer stuff had whey protein as the main protein source. I can see why making your own mass gainer to cut down on the sugar from previous bought products makes sense, but I'm having trouble connecting the logic dots of cutting down to 1 shake a day when whey is being used in all these recipes. Maybe just the mix of other natural food with it?

Also what is your opinion on Clomid. Been reading up on it and apparently some studies/people say it is not necessary at all and in fact can be detrimental. Thinking of just going with nolva for my pct and skipping clomid.

Is there any internet pharma sites that are reputable you could recommend, or is that against site policy terms?

Source posting is against the rules - I don't do PCT because I am on TRT. In any circumstance, I personally don't recommend buying off websites, moreso for new people because it's really easy to get scammed from a website if you don't know what to look for.

It has been proven on multiple accounts and published that Nolva+Clomid is the most optimal and correct choice for PCT. I believe Dr. M Scally also has a medical journal article on it but I may be mistaken. Whenever I try to validate information, I look at real medical literature, not bro science, or heresay.

An example would be https://www.nlm.nih.gov/



You could use powdered milk as a substitute for whey protein powder.

What I meant with respect to the recipe section was a means to eat your calories rather than drink them when using whey protein. However, real food is still going to be king. The other component of the recipe section is to give people ideas on how to spice up (no pun intended) their food. Doesn't matter who you are, nobody is going to be able to eat plain chicken and rice every single day and not lose their mind.

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Source posting is against the rules - I don't do PCT because I am on TRT. In any circumstance, I personally don't recommend buying off websites, moreso for new people because it's really easy to get scammed from a website if you don't know what to look for.

It has been proven on multiple accounts and published that Nolva+Clomid is the most optimal and correct choice for PCT. I believe Dr. M Scally also has a medical journal article on it but I may be mistaken. Whenever I try to validate information, I look at real medical literature, not bro science, or heresay.

An example would be https://www.nlm.nih.gov/



You could use powdered milk as a substitute for whey protein powder.

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Here's the link to the book: http://asih.net/_scally_anabolic%20s...f%20muscle.pdf

Pg 118-120 incase anyone was wondering