Giving a shot for HPTA restart after a year

[mac34]

Hello friends,

I have been bouncing off and on with hormones for the last year. Long story short is I'm on a self administered TRT, with no HCG (yet) and I decided I might want to screw the whole idea and have a chance at recovery again. Main reason being I think I'm going bald. Kinda funny cuz I started all this to improve my looks.

Though I wasn't coming from a place of hormonal abundance. I had 2.5 T (3-8) and 30 Prl (10-20) one year ago. I got Cabaser from my friend and after a month it completely changed my hormonal profile, T was 4.5, Prl was 10, libido was crazy up. I think that would be enough to me. But I screwed it up by coming on Cypionate cycle.

I'd like to try and see what I could do naturally. For numerous reason, I see now that there are much more disadvantages to me than advantages.

So I was thinking. I didn't take HCG, my balls are dead now. Maybe I should shoot HCG for the next month (and drop the Cypionate). See what the results are in a month.

Then the second month run a Nolva + Clomid protocol like this:

Clomid: 50/50/25/25/12.5 ED - week 1/ week 2 ...
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/10 ED

And add Cabaser on week 2 or 3 (to drop Prl from 20 to 10)

And hope for the best. What do you think?

The only doubt I have, and what is the reason I didn't do PCT last time, is I'm scared about the potential side effects on vision. Am I too cautious? Or can it really screw up the eyes?

[Windex]

Hello friends,

I have been bouncing off and on with hormones for the last year. Long story short is I'm on a self administered TRT, with no HCG (yet) and I decided I might want to screw the whole idea and have a chance at recovery again. Main reason being I think I'm going bald. Kinda funny cuz I started all this to improve my looks.

Though I wasn't coming from a place of hormonal abundance. I had 2.5 T (3-8) and 30 Prl (10-20) one year ago. I got Cabaser from my friend and after a month it completely changed my hormonal profile, T was 4.5, Prl was 10, libido was crazy up. I think that would be enough to me. But I screwed it up by coming on Cypionate cycle.

I'd like to try and see what I could do naturally. For numerous reason, I see now that there are much more disadvantages to me than advantages.

So I was thinking. I didn't take HCG, my balls are dead now. Maybe I should shoot HCG for the next month (and drop the Cypionate). See what the results are in a month.

Then the second month run a Nolva + Clomid protocol like this:

Clomid: 50/50/25/25/12.5 ED - week 1/ week 2 ...
Nolva: 40/40/20/20/10 ED

And add Cabaser on week 2 or 3 (to drop Prl from 20 to 10)

And hope for the best. What do you think?

The only doubt I have, and what is the reason I didn't do PCT last time, is I'm scared about the potential side effects on vision. Am I too cautious? Or can it really screw up the eyes?

Run the Scally Power PCT Protocol or the modified version from Eduke (sticky). It will give the best chance of recovery.

The vision side effect of clomid is rare and until you actually use the drug you won't know how it affects you

[GearHeaded]

I'll add a different perspective here . despite popular belief, you don't necessarily need more drugs to come off of drugs. you want to stop taking test yet your going to run 4 other drugs to do this... theres always the old fashioned way of just stop injecting test (thats worked for thousands of guys for decades). at your age of 20 or so you'll likely recover just fine. it may take slightly longer, but your not taking 4 other drugs to do it.

the reason PCT is popular is generally because of guys running gear, coming off gear, and then running a PCT so they can recover as fast as possible so they can get back on the gear again . IF your not planning on getting on gear again any time soon, then doing this all natural and taking a lit more time may be just fine. just stop injecting Test and call it a day. its really that simple

[mac34]

@Windex - isn't shooting 2000ui HCG EOD too much? Wouldn't 200ui be just fine? I would question the protocol a little bit if the guy that posted the sticky didn't make it with PCT. Are there any other alternative protocols?

@GearHeaded - I did it. After 3 months, my balls were smaller than ever, T was steadily at 2.8, and I was skinny despite eating and going to the gym regularly. I cannot afford to live like that for a year. And even then I doubt it would work itself out.

[GearHeaded]

did you have low T levels before ever beginning to run gear ? one year is really not that long of a time to run gear (especially being you were running such low doses, like 70mg of test per week if I recall) to not be able to bounce right back.

if you had low T levels from the start, then of course there is nothing to "restart" per se anyhow . an HPTA restart protocol is worth a try though at your age. 60+ years on TRT is a big commitment

[GearHeaded]

a simple restart strategy is this..
for 2 weeks (this can be started now while your still on test)
500-1000iu of HCG EOD
12.5mg Aromasin per day

after 2 weeks start
Clomid and Nolva

pretty simple

note: you'll want to run an AI starting now and going into this. getting your estrogen low going into PCT is beneficial as estrogen is more suppressive then test, and having low estrogen will help signal for the production of natty test

[mac34]

I had 4.5 after a month of taking caber, which perhaps wasn't high, but it was fine, looking back. I had a feeling it might have go higher if I didn't start my first cycle then, which was 200mg, and that was that I was trying to recover from. After 3 months I gave up and jumped on the 70mg TRT.

If I could go back to even that 4.5 natural T, it still would be worth trying to me, despite it being low. Of course it could be Caber did it's thing on its own and without Caber I wouldn't have that kind of libido. But I still would like to give it try.

My plan was to, at least try to jump on a HCG only TRT. Get some 200iu HCG EOD and see what the T levels will be after a month. Then from that point, I think I would be at better position to do SERMs.

[mac34]

Yes, this is more like the thing I had in mind. I just wanted to try run HCG longer, just to see how would HCG only TRT feel like. Though I don't have enough supply to run it for a month at these dosages.

I read somewhere that it's sufficient to do just 200ui of HCG EOD, but I guess that was for TRT and PCT needs more?

[Windex]

@Windex - isn't shooting 2000ui HCG EOD too much? Wouldn't 200ui be just fine? I would question the protocol a little bit if the guy that posted the sticky didn't make it with PCT. Are there any other alternative protocols?

@GearHeaded - I did it. After 3 months, my balls were smaller than ever, T was steadily at 2.8, and I was skinny despite eating and going to the gym regularly. I cannot afford to live like that for a year. And even then I doubt it would work itself out.

Most people don't even use that little of HCG on cycles or TRT. There's an entire sticky and educational thread dedicated just to HCG and it's benefits, how it works, why it was created, etc. If you are going the PCT route, it's important to understand what you are putting in your body. Tamoxifen and Clomid were never designed for bodybuilders or PCT usage, it's just a by product of their mechanisms of action.

If I was in your situation, I would give myself the best possible chance of recovery. I wouldn't want to be the guy who made a mistake young, had the opportunity to correct it, and instead half-assed it and ended up no farther ahead if not behind. There are people who don't even have the luxury of choice of correcting a problem, instead they are on HRT for life.

[Windex]

Yes, this is more like the thing I had in mind. I just wanted to try run HCG longer, just to see how would HCG only TRT feel like. Though I don't have enough supply to run it for a month at these dosages.

I read somewhere that it's sufficient to do just 200ui of HCG EOD, but I guess that was for TRT and PCT needs more?

Running HCG by itself does not replace Testosterone. HCG replaces LH and FSH, two completely different hormones.

[mac34]

Yes but I though HCG by itself would nake the nuts produce enough T, wouldnt it?

I guess you are right with the protocol. Anyway I just checked the meds I have in my bag. I lost my hcg and there is no way I can get it until the next 4 weeks.

I'm concerned about hair loss. Maybe Im overreacting but pretty much every time when I run my hand through my hair I see some little hairs falling out and I think it's quite noticeable now.

Perhaps I won't be able to stop it even with normal-low T levels, now that it statrted. I don't really want to considet finasteride, but im not sure if I would be able to pull off a bald look.

But Id like to maximize my chances. So I have 2 options
1. Drop T completely now and then run the PCT in the nexr month.
2. Or Shoot 20mg Cypionate EOD to minimize surges in blood levels.

What do you think? I guess 20mg 3 times a week would be more friendly to my hair than 40mg twice a week? And I would still have some T and not go supwt skinny again

[mac34]

I'm again going to consider recovery. I did try to continue TRT but it seems there are problems, problems and more problems. I figure rather than spending my time on this, I could spend my time on trying to recover.

So which of the protocol's should I use? Gearheaded's strategy above, or the Power PCT?

I understand the power pct is a well known protocol, made by some very knowledgeable doc, but it didn't seem to work for the guy from the sticky, did it? Also very high doses of HCG and no AI? Is that on purpose?

'm a little biased because I have only 10000iu of hcg at my disposal, I but I would order more if it was really needed.

I will say that that I took Aromasin from time to time while on TRT, and sometimes I could feel some activity in my balls (I didn't take HCG up to that point - I know, that was bad). So perhaps my hpta is not that much screwed up.

[DeeCee112]

What are you currently taking right now? Trt dose of test and what ester?

Take the amount of hcg you have and divide it by the number of days you want to take it, there doesn't seem to be a hardline number that you can go by as everyone's idea seems to vary for blasting. If you are running short ester continue it for a week alongside hcg to get it in before pct, if your on long ester you have just under 2 weeks to blast it. Stop the hcg a few days before you start the Nolva and clomid, you can use your AI as well to lower estrogen, just be careful not to crash it.

Run any combo of Nolva and clomid that you think is good for you, the longer the better I suppose if your hpta is more compromised but I had success with:

Clomid 75/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Or I've seen some propose for longer cycles:

Clomid 75/75/50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20

Personally I don't like taking these drugs, I felt much better shooting injectable something about pills I don't like.
If you still aren't feeling great in week 3 or 4 you can extend to the 6 weeks some recommend. Play it by ear at the end of the day there is countless protocols and noone will know what will work best for you except you.

Hope this helps, Goodluck!