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04-29-2020, 01:37 PM #1Junior Member
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Not so hard erections after 1 year
Hello friends,
I have used
400mg Tren E EW
500mg Test E EW
for 12 weeks,
About 1 year has passed since then.
I used Nolva+Clomid as PCT for 4 weeks following that.
Got bloodwork done after that (Long time after discontinue PCT) and below is the result
Estradiol E2 - 12.41pg/ml (Ref 7.6-43)
LH - 4.63mIU/ml (Ref 1.7-8.6)
Prolactin - 7.63ng/ml (Ref 4.6-21.4)
Free Testosterone - 12.51pg/ml (Ref 3.84-34.17)
Total Testosterone - 3.99ng/ml (Ref 2.8-8.0)
Even after that I was not satisfied with my recovery as I could not get very hard erections and refraction period was considerably higher than pre cycle.
I waited a long time for things to get normal but no benefit.
I decided to run another cycle of PCT as testosterone was on lower side.
I used 1000iU HCG EOD for 16 days along with
(20mg Novla ED and 50mg Clomid ED for 4 weeks) as PCT
around 45 days have passed since I finished second round of PCT but still erections are not as hard and refractory period is still around 45 minutes.
I want to get bloodwork done before starting any other protocol.
What do you guys think should be the culprit here?
I can get very hard if I use Cialis/Viagra etc and can have satisfactory sex using those medicines but not quite without using them.
I want to quit this AAS thing for good and return to my natural state.
before using AAS I could get very hard naturally and my refractory period was hardly 10-12 minutes.
Please guide me what can be the culprit here.
I have done 2 more cycles in past.
1 was Test E and DBol
other was Test E and Tren E similar to this one
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04-29-2020, 03:32 PM #2
Have you done anything that could have crashed your E2 at some point like to much AI?
Also, hows your blood pressure? High BP can kill erections.
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04-30-2020, 02:28 AM #3Junior Member
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for E2 levels to crash, I used letrozole as AI during the cycle. I know its a very strong AI so it could have crashed the E2 levels at that time.
But the E2 levels looks fine now as per the blood report they stand at 12.41pg/ml (Ref 7.6-43)
For Blood pressure, I have bit problem I don't know may be its normal.
I have my BP elevated with slight movement like just a few steps walking only systolic. It shoots at 140-150mm of hg but Diastolic remains around 80mm of hg.
After resting for 10-20 minutes, The BP becomes normal- Like 110-125mm of hg Systolic and 65-75mm of hg diastolic.
I don't have any problem exercising. I can jog continually like an hour without getting out of breath.
can prolactin be a culprit?
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04-30-2020, 02:48 AM #4
Not everyone's body reacts the same, but here's what I experienced with prolactin:
When I took Tren A 150mg EOD, I was fine, no problems.
When I upped the dose to 200mg, I could get erections just fine (and maintain them), but it just felt numb down there, and I was unable to orgasm (i.e. 'anorgasmia'). The problem subsided when I lowered the dose back down, so I'm pretty sure it was caused by high prolactin.
I know that some people talk about 'deca dick' (or 'tren dick' because they're both 19-nor's) being an inability to get (or maintain) an erection, but for me it was just anorgasmia.
For Blood pressure, I have bit problem I don't know may be its normal.
I have my BP elevated with slight movement like just a few steps walking only systolic. It shoots at 140-150mm of hg but Diastolic remains around 80mm of hg.
After resting for 10-20 minutes, The BP becomes normal- Like 110-125mm of hg Systolic and 65-75mm of hg diastolic.
I don't have any problem exercising. I can jog continually like an hour without getting out of breath.
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04-30-2020, 04:28 AM #5Junior Member
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yeah may be. Right now I took bath, Had my lunch, A bit of walk and took my reading immediately after.
Immediately after It was 146/73
After exact 3 minutes it was 134/73
Another 3 minutes it was 125/67
Another 3 minutes it was 117/60
is there a need to worry about my BP? I never get out of breath before anyone else does during any type of physical workout. I went for trekking on mountains and I had no problems.
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04-30-2020, 05:00 AM #6
I just think sometimes it's not as simple as "I can run for miles and miles and so my heart must be fine". Actually I was in the ER back in 2015, and the doctor wanted to do an echocardiogram on me before I left, but I just said "My heart's fine, I cycle 90 miles a week" and signed my discharge sheet.
I think what you need to look out for is things that are just plain strange -- for example being out of breath when you walk the dog (even though you can run for miles and miles).
Em........ I don't know if people ever try this............... but have you tried taking testosterone suspension and then trying to get an erection? I mean if you spike your testosterone and it fixes everything then you know what your problem is. Similarly if it has little to no effect then you know the problem is something else. Testosterone suspension is a lot more available now that it was years ago, and its half-life is only 1 - 2 hours so even if you take loads of it, its effects will have subsided by dinner time.
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04-30-2020, 05:32 AM #7Junior Member
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Testosterone suspension .
I will definitely try this. Is there any other thing that can be a culprit?
When I was doing my Tren E, I could not get an erection at all (Very soft may be) I still remember those scary days. I didn't knew about cabergoline back then.
As the time passed and I did my PCT things gradually started to be somewhat normal.
But till today, The erection is may be 70-80% hard, The refractory time is increased about 2 times or so (Compared to before using Tren).
Thats the reason I am suspecting prolactin.
I want to get bloodwork done, Which hormones should I get tested? Which hormones can be the culprit?
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04-30-2020, 06:14 AM #8
Wait for someone else to chime in on this, as I've never taken Testosterone Suspension. I don't know if there are dangers to look out for. (I haven't taken into account that maybe testosterone has to flow through your body for a while before it starts to work -- I'm not certain -- but then again maybe it works instantaneously).
I want to get bloodwork done, Which hormones should I get tested? Which hormones can be the culprit?
If I had to place a bet right now without having any further details, I'd put $10 on your testosterone being low.Last edited by Fluidic Kimbo; 04-30-2020 at 06:26 AM.
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05-04-2020, 02:48 AM #9Junior Member
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Sure I will follow your advice
can someone shed more light on the topic please?
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