PCT help after 3 years of TRT and cycles

[thyrfing]

Hello,

I am currently thinking of ending my 200mg/e7d "TRT" cruise that I have been on for the past 3 years. During that time, I have also done 2x 14-week cycles of 400mg Test & 600mg EQ, but I have never gone completely off during this time. I will do one last cycle before I quit entirely.

Age: 35
Weight: 220 lbs
Height: 6 feet


I have never done PCT before so I would gladly welcome any advice on the ending of the last cycle I will do;

Week 1-6; 500mg Test, 400mg Nandrolone Decanoate, 40mg Dianabol ED, 1mg Arimidex Eod
Week 7-11; 500mg Test, 400mg Nandrolone Decanoate, 1mg Arimidex EoD
Week 12; 500mg Test, 1500IU HCG mon/wed/fri
Week 13; 1500IU HCG mon/wed/fri
Week 14; 1500IU HCG mon/wed/fri, 20mg Nolvadex ED, 50mg Clomid ED
Week 15-18; 20mg Nolvadex ED, 50mg Clomid ED



Thoughts, suggestions, ideas?

[Gallowmere]

Honestly, with how long you’ve had your system shut down, your best bet is likely just “rip the bandaid off”, stop taking everything and see where you land after a few months.
There’s a good chance that you’re going to end up having to go right back to the needle, so just be prepared or that going forward.
Three years of permashutdown isn’t “a round or two of PCT will fix this”. You’re probably going to want to get with an actual HRT specialist after you see how recovery goes, assuming what I suspect to be the case ends up being the result.

[thyrfing]

Honestly, with how long you’ve had your system shut down, your best bet is likely just “rip the bandaid off”, stop taking everything and see where you land after a few months.
There’s a good chance that you’re going to end up having to go right back to the needle, so just be prepared or that going forward.
Three years of permashutdown isn’t “a round or two of PCT will fix this”. You’re probably going to want to get with an actual HRT specialist after you see how recovery goes, assuming what I suspect to be the case ends up being the result.

So, doing HCG would be pointless in your opinion?

[Gallowmere]

So, doing HCG would be pointless in your opinion?

You’re trying to reboot a completely shutdown system, not prevent atrophy on cycle with a mimetic. HcG in and of itself is suppressive, so using it when trying to turn back on is counterproductive.
Kel can probably speak better to this, but iirc it’s only actually useful as a preventative measure, not really a restorative. You’re beyond prevention at this point, and I’d wager a guess that your testicles are probably pretty similar to mine: resembling marbles.

[thyrfing]

You’re trying to reboot a completely shutdown system, not prevent atrophy on cycle with a mimetic. HcG in and of itself is suppressive, so using it when trying to turn back on is counterproductive.
Kel can probably speak better to this, but iirc it’s only actually useful as a preventative measure, not really a restorative. You’re beyond prevention at this point, and I’d wager a guess that your testicles are probably pretty similar to mine: resembling marbles.

Hmm, I see. What would be the most productive way for me to try and reboot my system? English is not my first language, but if you're referring to testicle size - not very different from when I started to be honest. Like plums lol.

[Gallowmere]

Hmm, I see. What would be the most productive way for me to try and reboot my system? English is not my first language, but if you're referring to testicle size - not very different from when I started to be honest. Like plums lol.

If that’s the case and you haven’t seen much atrophy, I’d definitely say to at least try and just stop taking everything and be done with it. That’s the only way you’re going to know for sure how your system is rebounding from the shutdown. Most of the other shit just drags out the process in an attempt to game the system.
As Broderick Chavez has repeatedly said “if you want to recover from drugs, just stop taking fucking drugs, all of them”.

[Testie]

In my opinion you should talk to a doctor my Trt keeps me on HCG, however the reason I’m on it is because I have low levels, I did some cycles in my 20’s and it actually took a couple of years for a full recovery once I stopped juicing, once we introduce test in our body for long periods it’s hit or miss getting your natural levels normal, just my opinion.

[Test Monsterone]

The testicles typically take longer to start working than the pituitary. So further suppressing the pituitary for a couple of extra months while getting your balls working again is not going to do any harm. I think it's worth waiting for pituitary to catch up while your balls have been primed for operation.

[thyrfing]

The testicles typically take longer to start working than the pituitary. So further suppressing the pituitary for a couple of extra months while getting your balls working again is not going to do any harm. I think it's worth waiting for pituitary to catch up while your balls have been primed for operation.

Hmm, could you expand a bit on that?


If anyone have any further tips or advice on a PCT to (hopefully) get shit going again it would be greatly appreciated. Saw some posts from others forums about PCT after longer cycles. Such as;

8x 2500IU HCG
30 days of 100mg clomid
45 days of 20mg Nolva


I'm a bit confused about the best way to go forward.

[CA_DXB_85]

Hmm, could you expand a bit on that?


If anyone have any further tips or advice on a PCT to (hopefully) get shit going again it would be greatly appreciated. Saw some posts from others forums about PCT after longer cycles. Such as;

8x 2500IU HCG
30 days of 100mg clomid
45 days of 20mg Nolva


I'm a bit confused about the best way to go forward.

Think about it for a second, you've been shut down for 3 years and you want to reset your HPTA, hopefully get up to decent levels of test, where u won't be feeling like shit and tempted to jump back on cycle, in 30 to 45 days? Not really gonna cut it. It's like smoking for 3 years and then expecting your lungs to fully recover and be able to run a marathon in 3 weeks.

U will need a longer and stronger PCT and have some patience as well. You will also need to monitor things through blood tests rather than guessing and making assumptions.

This thread might be useful for you:

https://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-...ednos-pct.html

Refer to the extended PCT protocol for 12+ months cycle.

And the post u were asking to expend on meant, by using HCG for a while, which mimics LH, which stimulates and signals the testicles to produce test, might be a good idea to get your testicles in a good spot to restart and get back up and running. If you do that, when you introduce the nolva/clomid, which stimulate the pituitary gland to produce LH and FSH, which stimulate the testicles to produce test and sperm respectively, you might have a better chance of a successful recovery.

Were you running HCG previously during cycles? That's why threads on here will advise using HCG while in cycle as it keeps the testicles running. Should you choose to PCT and go back to normal/natural test production, it makes your life easier and increases the chances of a successful recovery.


Good luck

[meandme]

Have you been able to recover. I am in similar situation. 2 months on PCT now and have 314 ng/dL TT.