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Thread: Handling Mental Sides of PCT

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    Handling Mental Sides of PCT

    Iím 28, been on TRT for a year and half now and recently decided I want to come off-I had been feeling bad and my doc put me on without testing and come to find out I had very good T levels prior to being put on- around 700 TT and upper range FT. Got a new job as a paramedic during this time so my job could not be more stressful. After seeing my before labs and also correcting a vitamin D deficiency (discovered my vitamin D was fake that I had been using two years) I feel I have a good chance of recovery. However, I am very concerned with the mental sides of coming off. I tried cutting my dose down fair the past two weeks and already have been feeling really anxious, wired, tired and depressed.

    Is there anything yíall take to manage these mental sides such as ssris Or other natural substances. I feel I can recover but I canít afford panic attacks with my job- I do plan on taking 3 or 4 weeks off of work when I do this just to get through the worst parts. Any tips?
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    It's been a while since I have even been in the PCT section


    Just seen "mental" & "PCT" - thought I could chime in


    Here's my recipe, it's the strongest non synthetic you can get - Shit tons of tribulus(3 grams per day) + 5mg of cialis daily + Clomid/Nolva if you want


    That's the best you got


    It got me to mid 600's post cycle & way up higher than I was before I started juice, which was mid 300's


    When I came back with mid 600's, I still couldn't "come off" - I put myself on a never ending cycle, which is now self prescribed TrT(I run my total test right at 1,000)


    I have done my fair share of drugs, but roids was one I couldn't quit - maybe, it's for the best of things. . . . But, that about covers your options

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    How did a dr put you on TRT without even checking your blood work? That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen if true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    How did a dr put you on TRT without even checking your blood work? That’s a lawsuit waiting to happen if true.


    Right?!

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    Would a PCT Power of HCG , Nolvadex +Clomid not help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    Would a PCT Power of HCG, Nolvadex +Clomid not help?
    HCG on cycle to preserve signal to produce testosterone . Afterward, this signal needs to self-generate so HCG is no longer suggested.

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    If I were to come off, I don’t think I’d run Clomid or Dex < they give as many probs as they fix

    Shit ton of trib, still workout & run a bit of HCG up until coming off


    Not that I’ll lookin to come off any time soon
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    What makes HCG harmful in a pct after cycle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    What makes HCG harmful in a pct after cycle?
    Like many other post-cycle therapy regimens, HCG is typically taken for two weeks after the cycle is completed (according to the online pharmacy site). It can go as long as eight weeks, but it shouldn’t exceed that amount of time. In many cases, bodybuilders use it in conjunction with the steroid they’re cycling. In this case, they usually take it as 500iu a day. Another option is to take it at 2000iu every other day. Either way, it would essentially work in the same manner and aid in the maintenance of your gains from your cycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davimeireles View Post
    What makes HCG harmful in a pct after cycle?
    HCG is suppressive in the long run. That defeats the purpose of PCT. HCG essentially replaces LH and prevents its production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    HCG is suppressive in the long run. That defeats the purpose of PCT. HCG essentially replaces LH and prevents its production.
    Thanks Cylon, what I mean is that HCG is suppressor in pct because it inhibits the natural production of LH. because you're taking HCG in a synthetic form out of mimicking LH. And the role of PCT is to make the body start to produce it naturally. HCG pct at the end of a cycle inhibits natural production by destabilizing the leyding cells.
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    I'm just doing some reading - I'm thinking Proviron would be a good addition to PCT also

    So, maybe a little clomid(I just hate the sides)+A ton of Trib+Proviron
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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    I'm just doing some reading - I'm thinking Proviron would be a good addition to PCT also

    So, maybe a little clomid(I just hate the sides)+A ton of Trib+Proviron
    Peep enclomiphene. It is generally thought of as "clomid without all the bad stuff". I did have a thread on it, but a bunch of my posts have gone off into lala land. Maybe it will show back up.

    I prefer longjack over trib. I had really good results with it prior to my HRT journey. But, everyone has their faves because one thing works better for them than another.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    Peep enclomiphene. It is generally thought of as "clomid without all the bad stuff".
    Go figure, I learned something

    I thought that both were the same med

    I’ll look up LongJack since I seen it mentioned a few times. I just always knew trib was tried & true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    Go figure, I learned something

    I thought that both were the same med

    I’ll look up LongJack since I seen it mentioned a few times. I just always knew trib was tried & true.
    In short...

    Clomid is made of two drugs: enclomiphene and zuclomiphene. Enclo is 5/8ths, zuclo is 3/8ths. Enclo is the SERM, zuclo is an estrogenic compound. Zuclo is generally thought of as the "bad", enclo as the "good". Current thinking seems to be that the zuclo brings all the negative side effects. Enclo was undergoing US trials as "androxal", that might be a good jumping off point to research further.

    I REALLY like longjack. It treats me well and I imagine it would make an awesome PCT compound add on.

    OP, sorry to thread jack!

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    Just looked it up - eurycoma longifolia

    I don’t see why you can’t use it + trib

    The more the better, as long as your guts can take the supps
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    Quote Originally Posted by < <Samson> > View Post
    Just looked it up - eurycoma longifolia

    I don’t see why you can’t use it + trib

    The more the better, as long as your guts can take the supps
    You could totally take them together. I might have done that a time or two, can't remember for sure. I do recall that the trib I have is in powder form, and tastes realllll bad. But so does longjack if you take it in powder form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cylon357 View Post
    You could totally take them together. I might have done that a time or two, can't remember for sure. I do recall that the trib I have is in powder form, and tastes realllll bad. But so does longjack if you take it in powder form.
    I use take these giant 1gram horse tablets - tasting it would suck ass

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    I suspect that I may have mental health issues. Since I survived the accident and the death of my relatives. I could not cope with it on my own, so I turned to psychologists. They helped me to forget the loss. I also used drugs to numb the pain. But that didn't have a good effect either. I came across an article about Steven Yohay. He works in the mental health and addiction industry in New York. He was the CEO of his organization. I decided to review his material.
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    Guys sorry for hicjaking but since we are talking about PCT... I have a question about HCG . I have 10 000 IU that im gonna use for pct... I watched Seth feroce he sayd to take 1000 IU every other day for 8 days and then 500 every other day for another 8 days. My dealer though told me i could just do it like 2500 monday and 2500 thursday for 2 weeks and will be good. The HCG thing seems like wierd shiet some kind of powder and liquid and preserving it and every other day pinning... yeah would be easier to do like my dealer told me, half and half(one package is 5000 IU). WHat you guys think.. is it effective pinning 2500 IU twice a week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlanthen View Post
    I suspect that I may have mental health issues. Since I survived the accident and the death of my relatives. I could not cope with it on my own, so I turned to psychologists. They helped me to forget the loss. I also used drugs to numb the pain. But that didn't have a good effect either. I came across an article about Steven Yohay. He works in the mental health and addiction industry in New York. He was the CEO of his organization. I decided to review his material.
    Theres an expert here on mental health on this forum, goes by the name “kimbo”. He probably could help guide you through alot of the do’s and donts so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1nc1ty View Post
    Guys sorry for hicjaking but since we are talking about PCT... I have a question about HCG. I have 10 000 IU that im gonna use for pct... I watched Seth feroce he sayd to take 1000 IU every other day for 8 days and then 500 every other day for another 8 days. My dealer though told me i could just do it like 2500 monday and 2500 thursday for 2 weeks and will be good. The HCG thing seems like wierd shiet some kind of powder and liquid and preserving it and every other day pinning... yeah would be easier to do like my dealer told me, half and half(one package is 5000 IU). WHat you guys think.. is it effective pinning 2500 IU twice a week?
    HCG should be used during the cycle not after. I would be doing 800-1200 iu a week split in two. HCG is suppressive, so taking it after the cycle only prolongs the time needed to recover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    HCG should be used during the cycle not after. I would be doing 800-1200 iu a week split in two. HCG is suppressive, so taking it after the cycle only prolongs the time needed to recover.
    Damn so many places write HCG as a must have in PCT tho... like this guy Seth Feroce IFBB pro says if you dont get atleast 10 000 IU then you're fucked.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZ7o6OIkC4
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    Quote Originally Posted by s1nc1ty View Post
    Damn so many places write HCG as a must have in PCT tho... like this guy Seth Feroce IFBB pro says if you dont get atleast 10 000 IU then you're fucked.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcZ7o6OIkC4
    Yes HCG is still used in male fertility clinics in conjunction with Clomid. Many say that after the cycle it will confuse the hypothalamus (to recover natural LH. I do not know if it's true ). I would also like to know why HCG is used in fertility clinics in individuals who have hypogonadism. I have seen many studies in Pubmed saying that the HCG burst works to bring sperm to life....

    Here is an article. interesting https://www.maleinfertilityguide.com/hcg

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    Yeah well imo it helps. I stopped the cycle, didnt do the monday shot and thursday one either by friday i was already feeling low libido. Monday i did HCG injection 2500 IU and tuesday i woke up had sex it felt so good like i had sex for the first time in my life
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