primo=PCT?

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 07:13 PM

quick ? fellas, Im gonna start some primo, 400 mg wk x 10 wks also gonna have some winny in there 30 mg x 5 wks Its my 1st cycle ever,, will i need pct with the primo, I've read but still kinda confused,,,if so what do u rec.? thanks for all your help guys!

**BWhitaker** · 04-10-2004, 07:15 PM

yeah, i think that you should look into test only cycles and you will get the info you need.

**einstein1905** · 04-10-2004, 07:16 PM

Put down the needle and back away from the vial. Primo + winny would be a good first cycle......if this were still the 80's and we didn't know any better.
I'd really rethink that cycle, and yes, you'd need pct with it....with any cycle.

Originally Posted by jaygee

quick ? fellas, Im gonna start some primo, 400 mg wk x 10 wks also gonna have some winny in there 30 mg x 5 wks Its my 1st cycle ever,, will i need pct with the primo, I've read but still kinda confused,,,if so what do u rec.? thanks for all your help guys!

**powerlifter** · 04-10-2004, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by einstein1905

Put down the needle and back away from the vial. Primo + winny would be a good first cycle......if this were still the 80's and we didn't know any better.
I'd really rethink that cycle, and yes, you'd need pct with it....with any cycle.

Funny stuff einstein - and jaygee - please do some more research before putting potentially life altering substances into your body Bro - Test only is a perfect first cycle - use the search button for that and also PCT ( post cycle therapy ) - safety first Bro

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 07:22 PM

lol einstein,,, so does that mean i shouldnt be wearin these mc hammer pants either?? ya, i dont wanna jump into any test yet,,i wanna see how this goes,,besides summers here , i wanna cut up too,, test is next fer sure,,what kinda pct u recommend? how much? how long? would OTC stuff be o.k. biotest sells TRIBEX-500 and somethin called M(anti-estrogen) would that stuff be ok?

**powerlifter** · 04-10-2004, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by jaygee

lol einstein,,, so does that mean i shouldnt be wearin these mc hammer pants either?? ya, i dont wanna jump into any test yet,,i wanna see how this goes,,besides summers here , i wanna cut up too,, test is next fer sure,,what kinda pct u recommend? how much? how long? would OTC stuff be o.k. biotest sells TRIBEX-500 and somethin called M(anti-estrogen) would that stuff be ok?

Bro - Test is the basis of any cycle - if you had used before I would recommend Test Prop ( no bloat ) but the ED shots is too much for a novice to the game. Usually a long acting ester like Test E ot Test Cyp would be a perfect choice Bro

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 07:26 PM

Isn't primo considered 1 of the safest roids around ?? i thought i was being safe, I really appreciate the advice n help guys,, thanx

**einstein1905** · 04-10-2004, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by jaygee

lol einstein,,, so does that mean i shouldnt be wearin these mc hammer pants either?? ya, i dont wanna jump into any test yet,,i wanna see how this goes,,besides summers here , i wanna cut up too,, test is next fer sure,,what kinda pct u recommend? how much? how long? would OTC stuff be o.k. biotest sells TRIBEX-500 and somethin called M(anti-estrogen) would that stuff be ok?

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but a test only cycle is ideal for a first cycle. A good test only cycle will allow you to make those MC Hammer pants look like tights, if your training and diet is on too. Legit primo is hard for most to get. For those that can get it, it's still just primo. A test only cycle will tell you so much about how you react to AAS, in general. Most all of the sides are easily controlled or counteracted by proper use of anti e's. PCT can include the items you mentioned, but it must be built around clomid, at bare minimum, preferably with nolva and Ldex too. Lots of info on this board. There's no reason to jump into anything yet.

**powerlifter** · 04-10-2004, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by einstein1905

Maybe I was a bit harsh, but a test only cycle is ideal for a first cycle. A good test only cycle will allow you to make those MC Hammer pants look like tights, if your training and diet is on too. Legit primo is hard for most to get. For those that can get it, it's still just primo. A test only cycle will tell you so much about how you react to AAS, in general. Most all of the sides are easily controlled or counteracted by proper use of anti e's. PCT can include the items you mentioned, but it must be built around clomid, at bare minimum, preferably with nolva and Ldex too. Lots of info on this board. There's no reason to jump into anything yet.

Be patient Bro - lots of time to grow

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 07:33 PM

sounds good,, I allready have a pretty good base,,,187 lbs 9%bf 5'9",,, i've been inthe gym for 10 yrs,,,,good lookin einstein

**Froggy** · 04-10-2004, 07:40 PM

My first cycle was a Primo/winny cycle. I was getting hard & strong & I felt good, but no wood! Injectable primo with oral winny @ 50mg ED. I really think the winny was causing most of the sides. Still, I like primo & winny ain't bad, just throw a little test in there so the universe doesn't revolve around the Earth.

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 08:08 PM

nothin worse then lookin good and havin the ladies notice, then no go downstairs,, i wont run the winny at 50 mg ed,, did u have any clomid at the end,if so how muchn long? thanx for the input froggy,,,,i dont wanna bug u but u have some exp with primo n winny,, i'd like to askmore ?'s [email protected]

**BWhitaker** · 04-10-2004, 08:14 PM

Test needs to be in your cycle. FOr all the reasons mentioned above plus you want to keep your gains right

**Froggy** · 04-10-2004, 08:23 PM

No problemo Bro, Used clomid as pct for 3 weeks, 2 weeks after last primo injection, & everything came roaring back. I would also like to take this opportunity to say that Cialis IS wood on demand. Didn't know that at the time. An effective dose of oral winny would be 30mg ED, IMO, more winny more sides. You have done your homework. Are you afraid of gyno related sides?

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 08:29 PM

it was my understanding that neither primo nor winny aromatize,,so i don't think i should be worried bout gyno,,right?? did u use anti-estrogens also?? what dosage for the clomid,,,i'm gonna order some 2 day..

**Froggy** · 04-10-2004, 08:43 PM

Yes you are right, that is why I originally chose that cycle. I was so paranoid about gyno, that I had arimidex , nolvadex & proviron all on hand. I was very green at the time (disclaimer) & I did use arimidex @ 0.25 ED & nolvadex @ 10mg ED. I'm sure it dried me out a bit more, but never even a hint of gyno (no $hit).

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 08:52 PM

did u make pretty good gains?? how long did u run it for? im 5'9' 187lbs 9%bf, my diet and all is spot on,, so clomid for at least 2 weeks,,, i hope i can make some decent gains

**Froggy** · 04-10-2004, 09:07 PM

I made really good gains! I was scaring the $hit out of myself! A female co-worker was heard to say while I was helping her lift a heavy cooler, & I quote " your arms are huge, are you using steroids ?". Well I said "of coarse not", but the change was very noticable.
Your bf% is much lower than mine was at the begining, I don't know what mine was, but i'll guess around 12%-15%.

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 09:13 PM

ya,,your eatin right and workin out,,,or im takin creatine,,lmao,, too funny,,if only they knew,,welll anyway, i learned some good stuff tonight,,i'm literally startin tomorrow,, good info y'all,,,

**Froggy** · 04-10-2004, 09:20 PM

300mg clomid first day(2 weeks after last primo injection), 100mg ED one week, 50mg ED one or two weeks. Good luck Bro, PM me with anything.

**jaygee** · 04-10-2004, 09:44 PM

yo one quick last ?? how did u do in the dht category?? any probs?? did u take anything for that,,or not necessary??

**Froggy** · 04-10-2004, 10:03 PM

I already had problems in this area before, & I don't think of it as a problem. I have never taken anything for hair loss, I have no experience in this area. Yes, no question about it, my hair loss started up again during that cycle. Think it was the winny.