Pheedno's PCT

**jnm** · 09-01-2007, 12:50 PM

nice post pheedno, thanks. First i read that clomid and nolvadex compete for the same transporters, and only one of them is needed, preferably nolvadex because of the lesser side effects, now i'm reading that both should be taken. Also read that arimedex (L dex) being taken with nolvadex would lower blood plasma levels of it, so it shouldn't be taken with nolva, but rather during cycle, and instead using a type I suicide A.I. like Aromasin during pct.

It seems like the more i read the less i know, and what scares me is how people on here are soo anxious to start cycle and dont do enough reading, and sometimes ask for pct help while on cycle! Please guys research research before cycle. Good Sticky.

**Wavelover** · 12-23-2007, 06:09 AM

Does arimidex reduces nolva strength when taken together ?

**Wavelover** · 12-23-2007, 06:10 AM

I,m sorry I mean Nolva reduce arimidex strength when taken together.

**IMBIGRU** · 01-13-2008, 08:05 AM

ok//... what about using Letrozole unstead of armidex ?? I already have a bunch of Letrozole

**HDdynaman** · 01-23-2008, 06:38 PM

I know Im a newbie but this has answered a ton of questions. Awesome job and thanks.

**Artiom** · 03-02-2008, 10:52 PM

cool thread.just nowhere I can find how exactly to use it.ar-r site comes a bottle with spray.so 1 squirt from it is like 1mg or what's the deal?and do u just keep it in your mouth or drink it?

**fibpro** · 05-05-2008, 01:35 PM

Thanks a lot for great info!

**Scarface69** · 05-16-2008, 09:49 AM

anyone have tried Pheednos PCT and got good results??

**jelly** · 07-23-2008, 04:56 PM

Just something I found.. May or may not be relevant..

"ARIMIDEX should not be taken with tamoxifen or estrogen-containing therapies"

http://www.arimidex-us.com/index.aspx

"At a median follow-up of 33 months, the combination of ARIMIDEX and tamoxifen did not demonstrate any efficacy benefit when compared with tamoxifen in all patients as well as in the hormone receptor-positive subpopulation. This treatment arm was discontinued from the trial. Based on clinical and pharmacokinetic results from the ATAC trial, tamoxifen should not be administrated with anastrozole."

It further states that,

"Co-administration of anastrozole and tamoxifen resulted in a reduction of anastrozole plasma levels by 27% compared with those achieved with anastozole alone. Estrogen containing therapies should not be used with ARIMIDEX as they may diminish pharmacologic action."

http://www1.astrazeneca-us.com/pi/arimidex.pdf

In my opinion Aromasin should be used instead of Arimidex (L-dex), the major problems being it's super expensive price and unavailability to the non-prescribed users..

**jelly** · 07-24-2008, 02:34 PM

Ahh... nevermind.... found this...

Originally Posted by TheMudMan

What your reading is for post-menopausal women with early-stage, hormone-receptor-positive disease.

That information came from the ATAC Trial...... where a study was conducted to show the effectivness of Arimidex alone, Nolvadex alone, and Arimidex and Nolvadex together. The study showed that Arimidex worked best with out Nolva, and Arimidex was also beter then using Nolvadex alone.

What we use it for is to block the conversion of test to estogen with Arimidex. Nolva will keep receptors clear of any estrogen trying to bind to them. Nolva also mimics estrogen in the liver which will help in keeping lipids stable.

**musclespawn** · 10-23-2008, 11:52 AM

can a clomid and Nolva PCT suffice for a PCT.. These are the only ones I can get my hands to..

**Lion_UK** · 04-05-2009, 06:58 AM

Hi Pheedno,

I was referred to your post on PCT by T-MOS who has advised me to use Test E and Winny for 12 weeks. This was based on the information I have posted about myself which includes my goals, training regime etc. How long after I had my last shot of Test E and Winny should I start the PCT you have described in your first post.

PCT for cycles 8-16wks:
Day 1-30- .25mg L-dex + 100mg Clomid + 20mg Nolva

Thank you.

**honkyace85** · 04-24-2009, 12:50 PM

This is very well researched and not over my head so this will definitely be part of my gameplan. It's not often you see that much research put into a post (cited and all). AWESOME!

**mgern527** · 05-01-2009, 11:15 AM

Read the thread...Nice good info for a noob like myself

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**tembe** · 05-04-2009, 11:06 PM

thanks alot

i am about to start my first cycle and this really helped

**vengence00** · 05-13-2009, 07:15 PM

has anybody used this pct method? I pm'd the original poster and didn't get an answer. I'm planing on running a test c, eq, dbol , masteron cycle

dbol wk 1-4
test c 250mg twice a week wk 1-14
eq 200mg twice a week wk 1-14
masteron 300mg a wekk wk7-14

was wondering if this pct is the best route to go.

**vengence00** · 05-14-2009, 12:40 PM

**rookie builder** · 06-30-2009, 10:27 PM

It cant be said enough to thank these guys who take their time to put together threads like these. They're especially useful for guys like myself who have just began utilizing the modern biochem techniques to achieve our fitness goals. Thx again!

**xephonics** · 07-09-2009, 04:30 PM

no one answered when someone else asked, so I'll ask it

Will letro work instead of l-dex/arimidex ?

**Big** · 07-09-2009, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by xephonics

no one answered when someone else asked, so I'll ask it

Will letro work instead of l-dex/arimidex?

nope

**xephonics** · 07-10-2009, 06:31 PM

well damn, lol

I ordered the wrong combo then :/

**Big** · 07-10-2009, 07:49 PM

I'm not a fan of letro on pct, you can always save it in case you get gyno, it lasts a long time.

**xephonics** · 07-10-2009, 07:56 PM

would my pct be ok with just Tamox and Clomid? Or do i need to fork over the other chunk of money for the l-dex?

**Big** · 07-10-2009, 07:58 PM

start up a fresh thread in the Q+A section with the cycle and pct and I'll help you tweak it as needed.

**LIONKING123** · 09-05-2009, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by jnm

nice post pheedno, thanks. First i read that clomid and nolvadex compete for the same transporters, and only one of them is needed, preferably nolvadex because of the lesser side effects, now i'm reading that both should be taken. Also read that arimedex (L dex) being taken with nolvadex would lower blood plasma levels of it, so it shouldn't be taken with nolva, but rather during cycle, and instead using a type I suicide A.I. like Aromasin during pct.

It seems like the more i read the less i know, and what scares me is how people on here are soo anxious to start cycle and dont do enough reading, and sometimes ask for pct help while on cycle! Please guys research research before cycle. Good Sticky.

Agreed.

Is it best to use Nolva AND Clomid

OR

Nolva only as less sides and also increases test (according to Nolva vs Clomid Sticky)

I think this is the area that confuses alot of people....i'm one of them!

**Tarheel** · 09-20-2009, 06:11 PM

very informative, great to know

**Test 01** · 10-08-2009, 01:34 PM

good read thanks

**07sandiegomuscle** · 10-17-2009, 06:05 PM

This thread is from 2004 right and for 8 to 16 week cycles right? Many guru's on here are currently recommending only 8 week cycles right? So is this thread still relevant? What is PCT for an 8 week cycle? I want to use Test only for 8 weeks. No disrespect Pheedo. Are you on board the 8 week only cycles or still with the old school? Thanks. I am just trying to get wise and do things right.

**AnimalJ** · 02-13-2010, 08:44 AM

Thank you for this post.

**MC1971** · 03-20-2010, 03:35 PM

I am very curious about the Nolva. I know what it is, and I know I need it, but neither of those is my problem. Can someone help me out.

**richmondchiu** · 04-11-2010, 11:17 AM

if i finished 12 weeks of using test e i only want to use nolva when can i start and how long?

***D7M*** · 04-11-2010, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by richmondchiu

if i finished 12 weeks of using test e i only want to use nolva when can i start and how long?

You should start your own thread for better responses....

**TeeR4v_Gainer** · 04-18-2010, 09:33 PM

this is a very informative post, ive been reading this site for a while a lot of info here.

**Gym Jones** · 07-14-2010, 03:53 PM

This post is great helpful data to consume. Thanks!

**SaTyR** · 07-19-2010, 05:35 AM

The package leaflet that comes with my arimidex says never to take arimidex together with tamoxifen cause it can cause both not to work properly.
So taking arimidex with tamoxifen is not a good idea (i guess).

**slavic456** · 07-20-2010, 08:43 PM

Hey guys excellent thread, since im a new member and cant start threads i figured id post it here.

Anyway I started a short 4 week cycle of test prop at 525mg a week. I started to notice severe and i mean severe hairloss towards the beginning of the third week, so I cut it short and began my pct. I am 22 years old btw, 5 years training 6'1 205lbs. Ran 10-20mg of nolva ed during the cycle as I am extremely gyno prone. I also have arimidex 1mg tablets on hand, but i didnt really get bloated so i never used it

Here are my questions:

My balls never really shrank during the cycle and still hang pretty low. Please critique my pct

clomid 100mg day 1 and then 50mg ed for 4 weeks
nolva 40mg ed for week 1 and then 20 mg ed for the remaining 3 weeks

Is this overkill? I dont want to lose my sex drive, but i figure the cycle was pretty light. Will such excessive pct have any adverse effects. I can tolerate clomid sides btw.

Last question: Do i need to add arimidex to this cycle, its a rather potent Ai and im afraid that it will destroy my sex drive, or is it simply not nescessary?

Thanks

**muscle_bill** · 09-03-2010, 05:54 PM

question about the l-dex during pct. i know this is a sticky - so i would assume that this is a generally accepted standard... but, most things i read say not to run an AI - l dex - during pct and only during cycle as required. just wondering more details on this.

**kikiboi** · 09-18-2010, 02:13 PM

wow thanks for the pct info on all that stuff, i had to wiki a lot of it but it was good reading.

**vk2** · 10-21-2010, 06:37 PM

What are the dosages that most you guys use for L-dex?

I was recommended this by another poster.

nolva 40/20/20/20
clomid 100/50/50/50

**Peace Missile** · 10-26-2010, 06:46 AM

Ive been reading on AR for a quite some time now and if I was going to listen to anyone it would have to be pheedno. Thanks for the posts they look like they took time and research to put together!