Mike Miller's squat depth

[Velkar182]

I haven't extensively seen Mike Miller lift, but I 've seen about 4 or 5 videos including his "1200 squat." I think he is paying jugdes off or something. I have yet to see the guy break parallel. Am I alone? I've seen him do a 1000 box squat also, but he had the box about half of a foot above parallel.

[RJstrong]

I understand where you going with this... but I am convinced we are all better served by supporting our fellow lifters rather than knocking their achievements. whether or not it was a good or bad call, to me is neither here nor there... good and bad calls are a part of sport (not just powerlifting) and I think we have to accept that. until the sport is technologically advanced enough to take humans out of the equation errors can be made. I personally would love to see the guy lift... and I would be the first guy there pulling for him!

[OldPLer]

I am a national judge in one of the many PL organizations and it is hard to tell from the videos I have seen if he is breaking parallel, his legs are so big it does make it difficult to judge. One thing for sure, he is strong.

[Doc.Sust]

he never breaks paralell!!i have lifted at meet at Naz bar which he owns, and was talking to a friend of hisnd i quote"mike squat depth is always high" and this is coming from another bi name in our sport"i don't want to rat him out" also. www.irongame.com has a bunch of his squats all our high, but hell you look at other video's on that site, ALOT of people squat high, goggins, becca swanson, chuck V all have some questionable squats. seems to happen alot with the wpo bunch. also because of all the controversey, i am preety sure miller reoked that squat because of all the discrepensy.

[Velkar182]

Mr. Judge and RJ, I hate to be mean, but the leg thickness is a cop out and backing someone who hurts the sport is insane. And that is exactly what he is doing by getting 8 calls (that I have seen with my own eyes) for a good lift when the man's butt was easily 3 inches above parallel. If you can't judge that then you shouldn't judge. Not one person would ever question Ed Coan's biggest lifts, primarily because is but is one the ground when he goes down. I think the russians and east Europeans have it right when they practice squat depth and take that facet away from judging. Whether a rusian trained lifter comes up or not, at least you know 99/100 they went deep enough. In fact Miller got so much criticism about his bogus 1200 squat that he denounce the lift and refused to let it stand. Hey, do you wanna see a 23 yo University of Pitt under grad take 1150 and do a half squat?! Just ask and I'll do it any day and twice on sunday, and maybe you'll call it a lift and give me the world record. The fact of the matter is that if you gave me, a mid 700 squatter, the world record it would be about as fair as giving Miller the record. I guess the only thing separating me from the wr is the right kind of judge, not hard work and balls out training!

[Doc.Sust]

Mr. Judge and RJ, I hate to be mean, but the leg thickness is a cop out and backing someone who hurts the sport is insane. And that is exactly what he is doing by getting 8 calls (that I have seen with my own eyes) for a good lift when the man's butt was easily 3 inches above parallel. If you can't judge that then you shouldn't judge. Not one person would ever question Ed Coan's biggest lifts, primarily because is but is one the ground when he goes down. I think the russians and east Europeans have it right when they practice squat depth and take that facet away from judging. Whether a rusian trained lifter comes up or not, at least you know 99/100 they went deep enough. In fact Miller got so much criticism about his bogus 1200 squat that he denounce the lift and refused to let it stand. Hey, do you wanna see a 23 yo University of Pitt under grad take 1150 and do a half squat?! Just ask and I'll do it any day and twice on sunday, and maybe you'll call it a lift and give me the world record. The fact of the matter is that if you gave me, a mid 700 squatter, the world record it would be about as fair as giving Miller the record. I guess the only thing separating me from the wr is the right kind of judge, not hard work and balls out training!

and the right organization. hey i don't liekt he equipment but it is hear to stay, and if double ply suits are legal, thats fine, canvas, thats fine too. you compete using drugs, hey not my bussiness , go ahead, but then ontop of all this you start letting the rules really slack, it is a disaster. i like to see lifters achieve, but not like that, it has to be at least arguably parallell. the video i saw, no argument, wasn't close to parallel

[Squatman51]

i watched some of the videos at irongame.com and his squats looked questionable from the front....its hard to tell from the front but it looks like he may need to go down another inch or so....by all means that is a helluva lot of weight though even if he barely went parallel

[Doc.Sust]

i watched some of the videos at irongame.com and his squats looked questionable from the front....its hard to tell from the front but it looks like he may need to go down another inch or so....by all means that is a helluva lot of weight though even if he barely went parallel

it is a hell of alot of weight, just looks too high!! i wish i could say i was wrong, but it is what it is

[OldPLer]

PL has changed, alot, some is equipment, actually alot is the equipment and the 20, 30, or 40 organizations out there. I am not saying it is better or worse, I have my opinion and I do not judge any more because some of it involves each organization wanting to have the strongest lifters and sometimes pressure makes that happen, most judges are not paid, only hotel room and food is paid, it is done because they enjoy the sport. Miller is super strong and I have never seen him lift except on vids and those are from front. Judging is not as easy as it appears and with 8 people around him spotting that massive weight it is easy for someone to move a little and a judge loses that one little spot where he could see. All these things play a part. IMO

[Doc.Sust]

lets just agree to disagree and all of us just let this one go, there is no right answer or statement to this one, it is what it is,oppinion.

[Velkar182]

I don't mean to beat a dead dog, but I hope you don't mean that squat depth is a matter of opinion.