what is a good bench for a junior

[tinyguy2]

I'm trying to figure out how far away i am from entering a comp i don't care if i lose. i am 22. so i would enter a junior competion. i would like to enter one within the next year. my weight is 205 as of right now. i wanna know how much i would have to bench to not you look an idiot at a comp and get destroyed. im am currently natty. but i would like to know what are good numbers would be around for natty and not natty with only a one ply shirts allowed? or at least give me a website where i can look it up. i currently bench 325 raw. im a bb currently trying to get into power lifting. i plan on changing my routine with one of the stickies and gettign a shirt and seeing where it takes me. any input would be great.

[Sasso09]

335 raw juniors at 198 is pretty respectable, you for sure won't be the weakest guy there.

[tinyguy2]

thats all i wanted to know i plan on gettign my strength up more before then thanks

[Doc.Sust]

yes with a single ply shirt you can pssibly do 50 to 100lbs more. you are ready to compete now. buy a shirt and learn the proper way to press in a shirt

[tinyguy2]

sounds good to me. im going to make some boards for presses over the weekend and change my routine and buy a shirt. i dont think the comp is for a couple months so i have time.

[BADASS323]

sounds good to me. im going to make some boards for presses over the weekend and change my routine and buy a shirt. i dont think the comp is for a couple months so i have time.

bro., best of luck to you!! knock'em out...

[Doc.Sust]

read the sticky in this forum on metal millitia bench training, it will help you out.cut back some of the volume, it is a little to much work,but the concepts are dead on

[oliver_kloseoff]

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[tinyguy2]

i have only been lifting since janurary. ive been lifting bodybuilder style except for a month or so of waterbury strength training . i dont think 325 is that bad since i have only been at it for such a short time. i am a little to skinny for a powerlifter around 11%bf. i think if i change the way i bench and stop working out for vanity ill bench 350 like its nothing. never mind when i get used to a shirt and maybe some anabolics down the road 5 doesnt really sound that much in a few years

[Sasso09]

at 19 when i was 210lbs i benched 350 for a single but never considered myself a powerlifter
ive always been good at benching-never did anything special-had a few buddis who could push in the 5's
oliver

not to take anything away from you but i used to be able to hit mid 3's too when i was 18-19 but in competition its alot different, you have to pause a second on the chest and come up evenly, basically you ahve to manhandle the weight... its not like down/bounce/up. I apologize if you already knew this.

[tinyguy2]

thats how i lift. i dont bounce nothing and its slow and controlled. the thing is i dont care what you lifted when you were 18 becuase 325 is what i bench right now not 6 months from now when i train for strength, get a shirt, and gain some weight. my main concern is the fact that i am 6'1" and i have long arms

[Doc.Sust]

thats how i lift. i dont bounce nothing and its slow and controlled. the thing is i dont care what you lifted when you were 18 becuase 325 is what i bench right now not 6 months from now when i train for strength, get a shirt, and gain some weight. my main concern is the fact that i am 6'1" and i have long arms

the widest legal comp. grip to cut down your travel distance. slow and controlled isnt the way to lift, controlled yes, slow, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! strength x speed = power!! bring the bar down controlled, but in a quick fashion, pause W/ the wait on your chest count "one mississippi" than press explosively up as fast as possible. white type 2 quick twitch fibers are what u want to stimulate.

also i thought you were talking to sasso who is my training partner, but i re-read your post and you werent talking to him, you meant that comment to oliver kloseoff. opps my bad.

[tinyguy2]

hey sasso is only trying to help, no reason to be ignorant. lets be nice to each other. at 6'1 long arms, you have to take the widest legal comp. grip to cut down your travel distance. slow and controlled isnt the way to lift, controlled yes, slow, ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! strength x speed = power!! bring the bar down controlled, but in a quick fashion, pause W/ the wait on your chest count "one mississippi" than press explosively up as fast as possible. white type 2 quick twitch fibers are what u want to stimulate

thats what i meant when i said slow and controlled i really just meant controlled with a pause. how was i trying to be ignorant? i jsut said i dont care how much he lifted in comparision to me. i jsut wanted to know how much i will be lifting in comparision to the people im in competetion with. i wasnt really mad or anything its jsut the person before was trying to be an a-hole."i bench 350 and didnt consdier myself a powerlifter" wow i dont consdier myself a powerlifter, maybe a power lifter in training. what is the widest legal comp grip?

[Doc.Sust]

see i know this guy, he is my training partner, he is anything but an asshole,sp please no more derogatory sttements about him, he was only explaining to you how a contest works, he was NOT putting you down,

widest grip allowed is 34 inches which is pointer fingers or thumbs on the knurlings(rings on the bar)

[tinyguy2]

if i use a grip with my thumbs underneath so they ar pointing towards mty head does that mean im still leagal yet can have acctually a wider grip then if i use my thumbs wrapped

[tinyguy2]

yeah sasso was fine. i took his as advice. not being a hard ass like the other guy. my training partner is an a-hole tho but i still love em haha

[kdawg21]

Dr. Sus with all respect to your moderatorness. I think a more applicabe equation would be F=MA.......... just a semantics issue.

Oh and come to think about it I do not believe I have ever read an article about the stretch reflex on this particular board which could be of some use in this particular instance.

[Doc.Sust]

Dr. Sus with all respect to your moderatorness. I think a more applicabe equation would be F=MA.......... just a semantics issue.

Oh and come to think about it I do not believe I have ever read an article about the stretch reflex on this particular board which could be of some use in this particular instance.

semantics indeed. it is the same principle, if you have any info on the stretch reflex , post it and i will make it a sticky

[Doc.Sust]

if i use a grip with my thumbs underneath so they ar pointing towards mty head does that mean im still leagal yet can have acctually a wider grip then if i use my thumbs wrapped

i use the same grip, it depends on the organization you8 compete in, they are all different, some let you use thumbless grips other dont, if youare in an organization that does allow it, you can wrap your thumbs around the knurling for a wider grip

[Velkar182]

The most difficult thing for beginners to get is the pause. I have seen big boys drop 85 lbs on their bench because they had to pause. Lots of stablizing strength required to hold a bar on your chest or belly for a count of one mississippi and then press. If you get into shirts, it becomes a different sport instantly. Realize that your range of motion is stronger at various points than others. For example the top of your lift, the lockout, is obviously much stronger than most people's bottom of their press, where the bar touches the chest. If you use a shirt then the training changes.
A shirt I would recommend to start with is the Rage-X. (Don't screw around with the Blast, or shirts like it because they are a waste of time). The Rage-X will give you 80-120 on the bottom of your lift, and make the pause less of a problem. If you bench, say, 325, then you will be able to get 405 to 445 off the bottom. The thing is that you have only ever locked out 325, but may be able to lock out 375. This is where the training is different from raw training. You have to get the middle and top part of your press stronger. To do this you'll have to do presses with chains, presses from different notches in the power rack and floor presses. If you have the work capacity to move the amount of wait, but aren't explosive enough, you'll have to work on your ability to accelerate the bar using bands.
The idea is that the shirt works kind of like a reverse rubber band. If you imagine hanging bands from the top of a rack, then the bands will take 120 lbs off the 445 lb bar at the bottom of the press, thus it feels like 325. Half way through the press the bar may weigh something like 385 or 395. The bands hanging from the ceiling will help less and less as the bar ascends. Get the idea?
I guess those in conjunction with arching your back on the press are the basics.

[tinyguy2]

i was told to get the f6 or kitana by titan what do you think about these and tahnks again for the info

[Velkar182]

The folks at Titan are really smart and I know that the f6 and fury accomadate for arched and flat benchers. I can't remember which is which, but I have heard good things. I don't know about the kitana because it is new and I haven't even played with it. The reason I recommend the Rage-X is because anything more than 80-120 addition on the bench, is usually too much for a beginner. If a shirt, like a triple denim, gives 200 or more, then it will be impossible to touch the bar to your chest. This is my concern with these advanced polys like the kitana for a beginner. I have heard doc (I think) mention that it is comparable to the double or triple denim. So that's my concern. But Titan has great products, but I haven't crossed over from Inzer to Titan yet.

[tinyguy2]

i also kinda want to get the best single ply for a beginner thats not to expensive because i know i will grow out of it within 2 months. should i get it a little looser so that it will last long before i explode out of it or need to get lubed up before getting into it. what measurements will i need to give them when buying a shirt. im tall and skinny which means i will probably be alot different than the average pler

[Velkar182]

I have always had difficulty getting suits to fit properly because I am as wide as tall, which is why my wife wants to learn how to alter gear. Best thing is to give the company the measurements they ask for and see how it fits. You can get alterations done for a small fee later. Don't expect to order a shirt and expect to use it for a while, especially when a beginner. It took Titan two months to make my DL suit and then I sent it back twice for alteration. So after three months (I am not sure if this is average timing or not) I had my suit to start breaking in for a meet. Another three months later I moved my DL up 90 lbs.
Anyone have anyhting better to say than trial and error? The only other thing is that I've heard of some folk who love in Texas, who went to inzer and got fitted.

[tinyguy2]

sounds good to me.

[Doc.Sust]

the ktiana is an esaty shirt to learn and the best single ply has to offer. call titan and they will telll you how to measure, and always get your equipment tight, but not so tight that your extremeties go numb