Got my boss suit,got some Q's

[cmillett]

Just got my custom boss in and got a few questions,well I'll start with my measurements=legs 27'',hips 41'',height(from 6''below the crotch too the top of my traps)35'', my overall stats=5'6'' 212lbs(presently)
well I feel that titan should of opened the legs up atleast an 1/2'' or so.well after trying it on,it took about 15-20minutes to set it deep into the seat,I still can't get into my sumo dl stance,I sumo pretty wide,my toes are about an 1'' away from the plates,well with the straps not even snug just fastened I can't even force myself into my sumo or an conventional Dl stance,I tried putting the suit on backwards and that seemed to let me stanf a little bit wider but still not enough by a long shot,Any suggestions

[Doc.Sust]

i used to try to deadlift in the boss, it is to much of a suit, i had to go back to using an old sigle ply marthon suit with a pair of tian nxg+ briefs. the boos threw my form out of whack and i couldnt breathe right, as far as putting the boss on, do you have a pair of suit slippers?worth the $20 iu get my suit on in 3 minutes tops with them

[Velkar182]

This one thing I still can't figure out myself. With suit slippers on, it takes my wife and brother 30-40 minutes to get my hardcore on. Dem straps is som sommambitches to get up! One thing I can say is that the boss is most likely impossible to use for deadlifting. I've been told that in general the Boss is better than the Hardcore made by inzer and that it works better at the top than the Hardcore. If the Boss is as stiff at the top as people say, then you won't be able to DL in it w/o destroying it as a squat suit. I have only competed raw in the deadlift, but Titan makes a generic DL suit called "The Deadlift Suit." Pretty clever name, huh? This thing adds 30-40 pounds on your DL. (It helps on the bottom more than anything.)
Getting straps up is difficult, probably for everyone with a proper fitting suit. Scooching the strap up with baby powder is probably the best way to go.

[Doc.Sust]

the titan deadlift suit is the closest thing tom the marathon suit i use(they dont make marathon suits anymore) hell if you find a single ply nxg+ centurion, you can deadlift in that

[cmillett]

Thanks guys,well I just finished my 1st squat sesson in my boss,I worked up to 500lbs (straps down !) in it for sets of 5 and could not get dwn in the hole,I tried 600 with the straps up but I couldn't get the damn bar too stay on my back because of the straps being so thick,besides that my nagging ASS arm injury started acting up,next time I squat out of it I'll try too keep the straps out wider on my shoulders,so hopefully I can get some more skin on the bar,I'm going too try to sumo out of it thursday.

[Velkar182]

WoW! The straps are that thick??? I am guessing you hold the bar wide...hands closer to the plates, right?

[cmillett]

WoW! The straps are that thick??? I am guessing you hold the bar wide...hands closer to the plates, right?

ther pretty thick,the straps are velcro adjustable.
I usually hold the bar not narrow or super wide but right in the middle,next time I lift out of it I'm going too try wearing the straps further out on my shoulders.

[Doc.Sust]

use a thicker shirt underneath the boss,that should help with the strap problem,(alot of people are using thicker collared golf type shirts) and chalk the shit out of you back and the bar. Cmillet, whatis your raw squat like? as far as hitting parallel, it took me a few wks unitl i got used to a suit with that much power. keep pluging away

[cmillett]

use a thicker shirt underneath the boss,that should help with the strap problem,(alot of people are using thicker collared golf type shirts) and chalk the shit out of you back and the bar. Cmillet, whatis your raw squat like? as far as hitting parallel, it took me a few wks unitl i got used to a suit with that much power. keep pluging away

Thanks for the tip Doc.,I have no idea what my raw squat is at the moment,Iknow that I'm hitting solid 505's with just knee wraps.

[cmillett]

Well yesterday was my DL day and I told myself That I was going to just go threw my normal working sets,well after hitting my working sets I decided what the hell lets just see what I can do with the boss and sumoing.
Well 1st thing I knew that I had too somehow seat the suit deep,and found that by grabbing the corner of my cage and easing my self into the splits and rocking side to side and also taking the other hand and pulling up in the crotch(ouch) that the suit set deeper than ever before.I used baby powder and my workout partner for help with the straps.
Well seating the suit the way I did it let me to stand in my sumo stance,getting my ass down was a liittle tough but I did it by getting into my sumo stance and dropping my ass as far as I could and rolled the bar towards me pulling up on it keeping my back as erect and tight as possable,this movement pulled my ass down,and it let me smoke 455 of the floor,505 I got stuck about 3-4'' above my knees,now remember this was all attempted after my workout and my lower back was already burnt.
Doc sust. I don't know what you've tried with your suit to get it sett deep but give the splits deal a try.

[Velkar182]

Easing yourself into the splits? What do you mean by this? Do you mean doing a split with the suit on???

[cmillett]

Easing yourself into the splits? What do you mean by this? Do you mean doing a split with the suit on???

yes,exactly.I went as far as I could,even though I can not perform the splits to the floor.
After I got the suit on as far as it would go by pulling it on and using the straps.I then wouldtake the straps down and grab the corner of the cage with one hand and lean back while inching into the splits with a side to side rocking motion,and pulling the crotch up with the other hand.Kind of like a
M. jackson move I saw once LOL.What ever it worked for me.

[Doc.Sust]

yes,exactly.I went as far as I could,even though I can not perform the splits to the floor.
After I got the suit on as far as it would go by pulling it on and using the straps.I then wouldtake the straps down and grab the corner of the cage with one hand and lean back while inching into the splits with a side to side rocking motion,and pulling the crotch up with the other hand.Kind of like a
M. jackson move I saw once LOL.What ever it worked for me.

i have tired everything with the boss,it just isnt the right suit for me to dead in. i can get my ass low enough to pull right and i end up using all lower back to pull, and i cant bretahe right, the suit restricts my air, if it works for you , nad you deadlift good with your hips high, keep it up. as long as you are pulling more in the suit that you do raw , than it works. for me, i ended up pulling more raw than i could in the suit

[Velkar182]

From what I've read, the boss seems like it was made only for squatting. From the nature of the design I'd imagine that if you are able to get into a deadlift position with it, the fibers are too broken down to be an effective squat suit. Moreover, the suit is design to be super effective at stopping power at parallel, ergo the critch design, and unlike many suits that don't give you much at the top, the Boss is purposely tight on the diaphram region...This is Doc's problem. The tighter you pull the sides in from going lower, the less you can breath. Vertical stretching of the suit because of the way the suit locks on to the lower body implies a contraction in the surface area in the region of diaphram. If you break the boss in that far, you probably took 100 pounds off the squat that the boss should get.

The idea of more modern deadlift suits is to have mad-crazy stopping power, due to the stitching in the crotch (that's why Jeff Lewis has his double reinforced) and to add to the lockout marginally by way of strap design and the way it squeezes the torso. Deadlift suits on the other hand are needed to get the bar moving as fast as possible from the start. Where many suits lock to the hips on the squat, deadlift suits aim toward having a marginal region of the descent where the tension precipitously increases. ie they are made to be somewhat resistive in the bending over position (stiff leg style deadlift position), but once you try to swing your ass down into position, WOW, that shit is hard. At the point where the but drops 6'' the amount of stored energy is drastically increased. Once into position, driving with the legs, thus accelerating you ass verically, and the straps pull your torso back to assist.

These designs are very different and if you made a scientific model of the elasticity of the suits, the profile would be completely different. They are designed to match the inverse of the strength curve of the human body for each individual lift. Where the body is weak in the squat (the bottom) the suit is stronger. Squat suits are helping so much because of the diaphram sqeeze and the hip-butt locking system and pushing the lockout even further. Doing this pushes the strength curve up so there is and artificial buffer. Instead of lifters back in the day like Anthony Clark trying to get a suit that can make him squat as much on the bottom as at lockout, the double ply-double reinforced Boss does not meet a person's natural strength curve. The suit adds X# of pounds to the lockout, and the suit fits that strength curve. So even with a single ply Boss, I'd have to say that IMHO you are wasting money if you are trying to use it for the deadlift, because there are better deadlift suits than the Boss and the average Boss will out perform a very broken in Boss in the squat, I am guessing, by 70-100lbs (by the time meet comes). I don't see how a suit designed to squat, that won't give you the extreme acceleration of the bottom, nor help pull the back straight, will be efficacious by any means. Just my thoughts.

[Doc.Sust]

From what I've read, the boss seems like it was made only for squatting. From the nature of the design I'd imagine that if you are able to get into a deadlift position with it, the fibers are too broken down to be an effective squat suit. Moreover, the suit is design to be super effective at stopping power at parallel, ergo the critch design, and unlike many suits that don't give you much at the top, the Boss is purposely tight on the diaphram region...This is Doc's problem. The tighter you pull the sides in from going lower, the less you can breath. Vertical stretching of the suit because of the way the suit locks on to the lower body implies a contraction in the surface area in the region of diaphram. If you break the boss in that far, you probably took 100 pounds off the squat that the boss should get.

The idea of more modern deadlift suits is to have mad-crazy stopping power, due to the stitching in the crotch (that's why Jeff Lewis has his double reinforced) and to add to the lockout marginally by way of strap design and the way it squeezes the torso. Deadlift suits on the other hand are needed to get the bar moving as fast as possible from the start. Where many suits lock to the hips on the squat, deadlift suits aim toward having a marginal region of the descent where the tension precipitously increases. ie they are made to be somewhat resistive in the bending over position (stiff leg style deadlift position), but once you try to swing your ass down into position, WOW, that shit is hard. At the point where the but drops 6'' the amount of stored energy is drastically increased. Once into position, driving with the legs, thus accelerating you ass verically, and the straps pull your torso back to assist.

These designs are very different and if you made a scientific model of the elasticity of the suits, the profile would be completely different. They are designed to match the inverse of the strength curve of the human body for each individual lift. Where the body is weak in the squat (the bottom) the suit is stronger. Squat suits are helping so much because of the diaphram sqeeze and the hip-butt locking system and pushing the lockout even further. Doing this pushes the strength curve up so there is and artificial buffer. Instead of lifters back in the day like Anthony Clark trying to get a suit that can make him squat as much on the bottom as at lockout, the double ply-double reinforced Boss does not meet a person's natural strength curve. The suit adds X# of pounds to the lockout, and the suit fits that strength curve. So even with a single ply Boss, I'd have to say that IMHO you are wasting money if you are trying to use it for the deadlift, because there are better deadlift suits than the Boss and the average Boss will out perform a very broken in Boss in the squat, I am guessing, by 70-100lbs (by the time meet comes). I don't see how a suit designed to squat, that won't give you the extreme acceleration of the bottom, nor help pull the back straight, will be efficacious by any means. Just my thoughts.

great post! it says it all

[abbcccxyyzzz]

From what I've read, the boss seems like it was made only for squatting. From the nature of the design I'd imagine that if you are able to get into a deadlift position with it, the fibers are too broken down to be an effective squat suit. Moreover, the suit is design to be super effective at stopping power at parallel, ergo the critch design, and unlike many suits that don't give you much at the top, the Boss is purposely tight on the diaphram region...This is Doc's problem. The tighter you pull the sides in from going lower, the less you can breath. Vertical stretching of the suit because of the way the suit locks on to the lower body implies a contraction in the surface area in the region of diaphram. If you break the boss in that far, you probably took 100 pounds off the squat that the boss should get.

The idea of more modern deadlift suits is to have mad-crazy stopping power, due to the stitching in the crotch (that's why Jeff Lewis has his double reinforced) and to add to the lockout marginally by way of strap design and the way it squeezes the torso. Deadlift suits on the other hand are needed to get the bar moving as fast as possible from the start. Where many suits lock to the hips on the squat, deadlift suits aim toward having a marginal region of the descent where the tension precipitously increases. ie they are made to be somewhat resistive in the bending over position (stiff leg style deadlift position), but once you try to swing your ass down into position, WOW, that shit is hard. At the point where the but drops 6'' the amount of stored energy is drastically increased. Once into position, driving with the legs, thus accelerating you ass verically, and the straps pull your torso back to assist.

These designs are very different and if you made a scientific model of the elasticity of the suits, the profile would be completely different. They are designed to match the inverse of the strength curve of the human body for each individual lift. Where the body is weak in the squat (the bottom) the suit is stronger. Squat suits are helping so much because of the diaphram sqeeze and the hip-butt locking system and pushing the lockout even further. Doing this pushes the strength curve up so there is and artificial buffer. Instead of lifters back in the day like Anthony Clark trying to get a suit that can make him squat as much on the bottom as at lockout, the double ply-double reinforced Boss does not meet a person's natural strength curve. The suit adds X# of pounds to the lockout, and the suit fits that strength curve. So even with a single ply Boss, I'd have to say that IMHO you are wasting money if you are trying to use it for the deadlift, because there are better deadlift suits than the Boss and the average Boss will out perform a very broken in Boss in the squat, I am guessing, by 70-100lbs (by the time meet comes). I don't see how a suit designed to squat, that won't give you the extreme acceleration of the bottom, nor help pull the back straight, will be efficacious by any means. Just my thoughts.

Wow; I have not heard such an intricate analysis of a suit before. I wish you could enlighten me some more and go further into additional inquiries!