Bulking Or Cutting

**Leader05** · 10-14-2006, 08:41 PM

hey fellows,

which one would your rather accomplish first, bulking or cutting? I know some guys prefer to bulk first then when they get right weight and size, then they starting cutting. one the other some guys would cut first, then after they comfortable with their image, then they bulking. what do u think is better first?

**scriptfactory** · 10-14-2006, 08:52 PM

I think it depends on what BF % you are at. If you are at or above 15% don't even think about bulking or you probably won't like what you look like when you get finished...

**Leader05** · 10-14-2006, 09:21 PM

how would u measure ur current BF? what makes u think it all depends on the level of BF? in case what did u do first, bulking or cutting?
hey bro..keep it simple I don't intend to get u at into any technical jargons that involve anobolic steroid , and get us banned. just keep it simple.

**scriptfactory** · 10-14-2006, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Leader05

how would u measure ur current BF? what makes u think it all depends on the level of BF? in case what did u do first, bulking or cutting?
hey bro..keep it simple I don't intend to get u at into any technical jargons that involve anobolic steroid, and get us banned. just keep it simple.

I use the caliper method. You can get someone at your gym to do it.

If you have ever been heavy (250lbs+) at a high BF percentage (>18%) then you would know what I am talking about. It just doesn't feel healthy. Stay around 15% or lower and your body will definitely thank you.

I used to be a scrawny 200lbs. I bulked up first naturally and then with the help of M1T to a HUGE 290lbs. I had to have been over 20% BF. I didn't even want to get myself tested but I didn't feel good. I weighed in at 113kg (248lbs) this morning and I feel fantastic! I'm at about 14-15% BF now and I plan on dropping to 11-12% before I even think of bulking again. Please trust me, it doesn't feel good.

**Leader05** · 10-14-2006, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by scriptfactory

I use the caliper method. You can get someone at your gym to do it.

If you have ever been heavy (250lbs+) at a high BF percentage (>18%) then you would know what I am talking about. It just doesn't feel healthy. Stay around 15% or lower and your body will definitely thank you.

I used to be a scrawny 200lbs. I bulked up first naturally and then with the help of M1T to a HUGE 290lbs. I had to have been over 20% BF. I didn't even want to get myself tested but I didn't feel good. I weighed in at 113kg (248lbs) this morning and I feel fantastic! I'm at about 14-15% BF now and I plan on dropping to 11-12% before I even think of bulking again. Please trust me, it doesn't feel good.

Hey thanks for the feedback, bro.
I'm currently weighing about 200Ibs and goal is to reach at least 240Ibs. but I don't how much is BF yet? I workout mostly at home and rarely at my college gym if my evening job allows me. I'm surprise u hit to 290Ib at one point u must have been feasting like lion on roast beef, chken, and bbq ribs to swell from 200 to 290. I'm glad to know every is possible with determination. thanks

**ironaddict69** · 10-14-2006, 10:32 PM

never heard of 1 cycle of M1T taking someone up 90 lbs but ALRIGHT!

**scriptfactory** · 10-15-2006, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

never heard of 1 cycle of M1T taking someone up 90 lbs but ALRIGHT!

I ran two M1T cycles at 2 weeks a piece. They definitely polished me up but I did the bulk of the work myself. I ate like a big dude and trained like a bigger dude. The M1T perhaps added 10-15lbs of muscle max, not 90lbs!

**ironaddict69** · 10-15-2006, 11:18 AM

yeah script that makes more sense. ur obviousl big from ur avatar, and m1T def isnt powerfull enough to put on a ton of weight to a big guy like you. but congrats on the hard work!

**Leader05** · 10-15-2006, 05:25 PM

my workout and supplement vocabularies are at times a little shallow; what is m1T sh!t?

**Leader05** · 10-21-2006, 02:29 AM

**ironaddict69** · 10-21-2006, 11:04 AM

uh yeah leader thats kinda it. but go for steroids not over the counter steroids.

**Leader05** · 10-22-2006, 01:53 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

uh yeah leader thats kinda it. but go for steroids not over the counter steroids.

which ones would u recommend?

**ironaddict69** · 10-22-2006, 01:14 PM

well you wanna bulk right??? do a test only cycle at 500 mg a week. that will get you great results if you know how to train and eat, and know pct.

**Leader05** · 10-23-2006, 03:32 AM

are u saying I should consider this:

Clomi 70mL 35mg/mL $45.00

Since it is a synthetic estrogen it belongs, however, to the group of sex hormones. In school medicine Clomiphene citrate is normally used to trigger ovulation. Clomiphene citrate also has a strong influence on the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis. It stimulates the hypophysis to release more gonadotropin so that a faster and higher release of FSH (follicle stimulating hormone) and LH (luteinizing hormone) occurs. This results in an elevated endogenous (body's own) testosterone level. Clomiphene citrate is especially effective when the bodies own testosterone production, due to the intake of anabolic /androgenic steroids , is suppressed. In most cases can normalize the testosterone level and the spermatogenesis (sperm development) within 10- 14 days. For this reason Clomiphene citrate is primarily taken after steroids are discontinued. At this time it is extremely important to bring the testosterone production to a normal level as quickly as possible so that the loss of strength and muscle mass is minimized.

**ironaddict69** · 10-23-2006, 03:33 PM

yeeeeeah....sure. that ones fine. ur lucky they changed it to fruit punch. the cinnamon one was so strong i almost didnt wanna take it.

**Leader05** · 10-24-2006, 03:27 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

yeeeeeah....sure. that ones fine. ur lucky they changed it to fruit punch. the cinnamon one was so strong i almost didnt wanna take it.

R u kiddin' me !!?? The label says, "Not for human consumption" Hallo !!!??
I'm not taking chances while I have been warned right in my face

If the label serve no harmful purpse, why do u think it was sealed around the bottle?
B-side, the illegal steroids I'm familier with almost looks like cooking o-i-l, but somewhat less denser.
The stuff u see in the picture could instead make u act she-male,
I ain't feeling like taking estrogen and stuff like that.

**ironaddict69** · 10-24-2006, 10:41 AM

okay you arwnt even ready for a cycle you dont know what your talking about.
that clomid, for pct. that warning is on there SO THEY CAN SELL IT OVER THE ITNERNET. theyr guidelines when enterign the site is your usuing it for labratory research....

**Leader05** · 10-25-2006, 01:20 AM

I am ready to bulk-n-cut, but I gotta do it the right way: proper dieting, training workouts that target the right places of the body, and good supplements. I did one cycle before of Reforbit-B back in 2001. But because I never exercise right at the time, and didn't eat well either, I never since good results which I also partly blame it on my employment hours. I was at the job then 10 hrs a day. Not to good if u have extra curruculum activities such as bulking or cutting....You feel me !!!
But this time I gotta do it right. I have got my plan well lay out. I have got my goals well stipulated which include training lessons, how to diet, exercise and what supplements to use. I have got some creatine, glutiamines and pounds of two flavored whey proteins that supports my strategy. But I gotta get the right "gear", do u feel me? If I was in San Diego I will figure my way around to Mexico, But I'm faraway in the Midwest, what do u think I should do?

**Leader05** · 10-25-2006, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by ironaddict69

well you wanna bulk right??? do a test only cycle at 500 mg a week. that will get you great results if you know how to train and eat, and know pct.

BTW, what cycle of 500mg a week are u talkin about?

***Doc.Sust*** · 10-25-2006, 09:20 AM

leader, obviously you hve no idea what you are doing or talking about, go do ALOT and i mean a HELL of ALOT of research instead of asking questions like this that dont have an answer