Ronnie Coleman in Strongman

[catabolic kid]

How do you all think Ronnie would do in strong man?

Lets say that he was given a year from now to prepare. Learn the techniques, make modifications in his training, etc.

He is, as everyone knows, very strong for a bodybuilder...squatting nine plates with a narrow stance.

His numbers in the squat, deadlift and bench are greater than most strongmen and if he decided to go for pure strength I am sure you will see dramatic improvements in those numbers.

Anyways how do you all think he would do?

[Doc.Sust]

there is no way to answer this, it is total speculation. one year isnt long enough to master anything. strongman is more endurance than one would think and alot of techinque. his form in the squat and deadlift is poor at best, and it takes alot more than being a decent powerlifter(which he isnt even close to being) to become a good strongman. it doesnt matter what you do for the three lifts, strongman is completely different. ronnie would do better at strongman than the average man, but he wouldnt even come close to those who know the sport

[Fallen_Angel]

DUDE! I worked in GNC and once a year, before the NPC in Pittsburgh, he and a couple others would sign autographs. I worked out with them at the Warehouse, on the Bloomfield side of Pittsburgh. Let me tell you, he was out of breath when he walked the treadmill! There is no way that guy would handle any athletic event. He'd probably die if he had to pull the train or anything like that. Walking the axel and stones in the circle would bve the end of him. Farmers walk or tire flip...hell no! Gunter is a better candidate for Strong man. I've seen him play soccer with kids and he has more arm length. He's a brute as well.

[Jason865]

Ronnie would come in last place.

[Doc.Sust]

Ronnie would come in last place.

yep!

[MuscleScience]

not very good

[Doc.Sust]

he would stink at it

[BNK]

I think his problem is that even tho he claims to train heavy and in a diffrent way then the typical bber would .His training is VERY bbilding specific and its not good for anything else.Has been like this for a lot of years and its what he does best BODYBUILDING .Just bechouse he lifts more than the average pro that does not make him a powerlifter or a strongman .

My opinion is : He is good at his game ...and would suck at strongman bechouse he specialised too much over the years(in bodybuilding).

[Doc.Sust]

bbibng an strongman are two different worlds
same with powerlfitng and strongman, 2 different worlds

you need to train for the sport you want to compete in,it is that simple

[quarry206]

not to bump this to the top again but..

best way to explain why he would not do go nomatter what his numbers are..

for the guys that military press 200plus pounds (which is probably alot)..try getting a 80lb log and doing the same press ten times, u probably can't do it because of the wierd way the weight is and grip..

for those who bench 300+ pounds, try bench pressing ur 120lb girlfriend ten times.. you will probably drop her

next try putting a third of your dead lift max on a bar and let somebody bounce a basketball on the end of the bar

these all sound unreal and they aren't how the strong men train... but it will show you and prove to you that powerlifting and strong men are totally different

**think about the deadlift they do with cars, as the car bounces on its axle and tires while they are trying to lift them

**think about the over head press with stones and there is no grips or way to blance them

wieght lifting and lifting wierd no grip un balanced objects can never be compaired... ronnie would only look good lining up for the photo... and i'm a big ronnie fan

[Doc.Sust]

not to bump this to the top again but..

best way to explain why he would not do go nomatter what his numbers are..

for the guys that military press 200plus pounds (which is probably alot)..try getting a 80lb log and doing the same press ten times, u probably can't do it because of the wierd way the weight is and grip..

for those who bench 300+ pounds, try bench pressing ur 120lb girlfriend ten times.. you will probably drop her

next try putting a third of your dead lift max on a bar and let somebody bounce a basketball on the end of the bar

these all sound unreal and they aren't how the strong men train... but it will show you and prove to you that powerlifting and strong men are totally different

**think about the deadlift they do with cars, as the car bounces on its axle and tires while they are trying to lift them

**think about the over head press with stones and there is no grips or way to blance them

wieght lifting and lifting wierd no grip un balanced objects can never be compaired... ronnie would only look good lining up for the photo... and i'm a big ronnie fan

gr8 annalogy

[BNK]

I have no problem bench pressing my wife...but she is only 105

[Fallen_Angel]

I have no problem bench pressing my wife...but she is only 105

That's why I like big girls...they give me a challenge. And besides, they could use the exercise and attention.

[RJstrong]

no way he would he be as successful as compared to BB... but it would be a joy to watch!

[BigBlack]

If he did a comp, he would have to compete around 250lbs to be sucessful. Johnny Jackson, a whole different story.

[jdavis2007]

Granted, I don't think he would do all that well, but I think if his goals WERE DIFFERENT, I think you would be surprised. His goal is SIZE, SIZE, SIZE and size only. When you put on that much size your endurance and wind suffer dramatically especially when you are using roids/GH/IGF/MGF/t3/t4/clen/slin and even EPO before shows. That is hell (even though I've only done like half this) on your breathing and lungs and heart. Totally different story...not that he would kick-arse...but he would surprise a few people.

[quarry206]

i will admitt if ronnie took a year or two and trained he would not do bad.. and some of the events he would do great at... but over all it would be fun to watch, he would not be in the top three .... his body is too far into body building to change his whole way of working out and trying to be at the top level in a new sport

[simm]

Another bodybuilder (Curtis leffler) was active in strongman events a while back and he had serious stamina probs when i watched it.. Imo Colemans legs are too big to actively partiscipate in strongman..Can he run? NO Does he have good stamina? NO... They are two main criteria for the sport as heavy weights are taxing on your lungs whilst moving..Strongman is not static anymore.. Statically coleman would do well...Moving he would be blown away!! jmo

[BgMc31]

As a strongman myself, I would have to say, Ronnie would not do very well with only a year of training. His age would hinder him first of all. Secondly, his lack of height would hinder him on many events. A lot of strongmen started off as bodybuilders (Eddie Elwood, Glenn Ross, Jon Pal Sigmarrson, Andrew "Stumpy" Raines, Mark Felix, to name a few). But like stated before, strongman is totally different from bbing. I do think Ronnie would be a great powerlifter if he stopped bodybuilding.

Someone mentioned Johnny Jackson. He is way too short to be an impact strongman. He might be better of in the lighter 231lb and under class.

[BG]

That's why I like big girls.

SUUUUUUUURE.

[Doc.Sust]

johnny jackson is a powerlifter, and an ok one at that, being a good pwerlifter and beng a good strong man are two dofferent things, most powerlifter would stink at strongman. you have to train for the sport you compete in, it is that simple, i dont know to many who train swimming relays for football or baddmiton for soccer.

[quarry206]

Doc Sust.. not to go against your point, because if you have seen what i have posted on this we agree on training for the sport u are playin..


but i think relay/ lap swimming is a great way of training for any sport that needs both cardio endurance and muscluar endurance...

two years ago i was training for a Special Forces physcial and PT test.. somebody told me to start doing laps in a pool. three weeks after doing 800meters three times a week. i could MAX OUT on my push ups and sit ups in less than 50seconds instead of the two mins they give you. and also took a good amount of time off my two mile run..

this wasn't meant to go against what you said, haha .. just a added comment

[Doc.Sust]

Doc Sust.. not to go against your point, because if you have seen what i have posted on this we agree on training for the sport u are playin..


but i think relay/ lap swimming is a great way of training for any sport that needs both cardio endurance and muscluar endurance...

two years ago i was training for a Special Forces physcial and PT test.. somebody told me to start doing laps in a pool. three weeks after doing 800meters three times a week. i could MAX OUT on my push ups and sit ups in less than 50seconds instead of the two mins they give you. and also took a good amount of time off my two mile run..

this wasn't meant to go against what you said, haha .. just a added comment

i understand what you are saying, and to increase endurance , that makes sense, my point was really about trying to keep training specific to the movements that are most closely related to what you do.

when you first start training for something you have no realy experience, just about ANYTHING will work! when i first started lifting everything i did made my deadlift stronger. the process is known as transmutation, as you become a more seasoned athlete in a specific sport, the various exercise wont work as well, the ones that are more specific to the target movement(the one you are trying to improve) or that more closely mimic the target exercise will work the best. of course there will be variables in this equation and exceptions here and there , but for the most part, to become a good bench presser, you have to bench press, to become a good sprinter you need to focus on sprints and quick twitch movements, to become a good deadlifter you have to deadlift(alot of people in powerlfiting try to argue this with me by quoting the westside methods, but i simply pointout that all and all westside lifters deadlift numbers are sub par at best when compared to european lifters or other lifters who actualy train the dedlift, this is a fact)
cross training does have a time and place, it is in the offseason only IMO, not during training for a specific type of athletic contest.
for example i doubt in the last 12 wks of training for the tour de france , lance armstrong would take up swimming. it wouldnt make sense, yes, both are great cardio, but biking and doing more biking related activites would make more sense to do to achieve the goals for this specifc contest. does this make sesne?

[jdDoWork]

the tren gives them stamina problems

[BITTAPART2]

ronnie isa strong guy but i have to agree he is out of his element here w/ strongman for sure. I can deadlift 495 for reps w/o straps on a little skinny bar but when i grip a real bar my forearms tire too quick so i need to add straps. the difference is just the size of what I grip and that little difference makes all the difference in the world. i agree w/ doc sus 1000% on this functional strength thing. in the begining I used to do dumbells for bench press b/c someone told me that when i get on the straight bar I would increase my bench....well it worked for about a few months but when it was time to REALLY start benching big it was counterproductive as hell

[Doc.Sust]

ronnie isa strong guy but i have to agree he is out of his element here w/ strongman for sure. I can deadlift 495 for reps w/o straps on a little skinny bar but when i grip a real bar my forearms tire too quick so i need to add straps. the difference is just the size of what I grip and that little difference makes all the difference in the world. i agree w/ doc sus 1000% on this functional strength thing. in the begining I used to do dumbells for bench press b/c someone told me that when i get on the straight bar I would increase my bench....well it worked for about a few months but when it was time to REALLY start benching big it was counterproductive as hell

been there done that. thanks for the back up

[Executioner]

i am a deuche

[thekaydense]

i dont know about strongman comp but i think he would do fine powerlifting. his form is great on squats for bodybuilding. if he did powerlifting form and used suits and shirts and all his lifts would take a big jump. with all that i bet he could get a total lift of 2750 plus. then if he trained for a few years for powerlifting. not saying he would break records, but he could compete.

[chest6]

Do I think he could be a good strongman? No. Maybe if he started focusing on it when he was younger. Hes like 42 years old now..no way. Could he be a good powerlifter? I think so.

Lol i didnt really say anything that everyone else has already said just sayin i agree

[krusher]

Do I think he could be a good strongman? No. Maybe if he started focusing on it when he was younger. Hes like 42 years old now..no way. Could he be a good powerlifter? I think so.

Lol i didnt really say anything that everyone else has already said just sayin i agree

i concure

[Sasso09]

i understand what you are saying, and to increase endurance , that makes sense, my point was really about trying to keep training specific to the movements that are most closely related to what you do.

when you first start training for something you have no realy experience, just about ANYTHING will work! when i first started lifting everything i did made my deadlift stronger. the process is known as transmutation, as you become a more seasoned athlete in a specific sport, the various exercise wont work as well, the ones that are more specific to the target movement(the one you are trying to improve) or that more closely mimic the target exercise will work the best. of course there will be variables in this equation and exceptions here and there , but for the most part, to become a good bench presser, you have to bench press, to become a good sprinter you need to focus on sprints and quick twitch movements, to become a good deadlifter you have to deadlift(alot of people in powerlfiting try to argue this with me by quoting the westside methods, but i simply pointout that all and all westside lifters deadlift numbers are sub par at best when compared to european lifters or other lifters who actualy train the dedlift, this is a fact)
cross training does have a time and place, it is in the offseason only IMO, not during training for a specific type of athletic contest.
for example i doubt in the last 12 wks of training for the tour de france , lance armstrong would take up swimming. it wouldnt make sense, yes, both are great cardio, but biking and doing more biking related activites would make more sense to do to achieve the goals for this specifc contest. does this make sesne?

don't listen to this guy... he knows nothing...

haha j.k ofcourse.

[BgMc31]

People forget that Ronnie got his start in powerlifting. Also for a long time his training partner was the great powerlifter Steve Goggins. They trained together for years. The issue is the is no money in powerlifting. Bodybuilding has done quite well for Ronnie. And unless you are from an Eastern European country, it's very hard to compete full time in strongman. Although there is more money in strongman than powerlifting, it's still nearly impossible to do it full time.

[Doc.Sust]

he would not excell n either sport, he would be better off in powerlfitng, but he still wouldnt be the best!!! he doesnt train for this sport, the sport is hard and it take time to be the best, just like in BBing, a jack of all trades is a master of nothing

[Doc.Sust]

i dont know about strongman comp but i think he would do fine powerlifting. his form is great on squats for bodybuilding. if he did powerlifting form and used suits and shirts and all his lifts would take a big jump. with all that i bet he could get a total lift of 2750 plus. then if he trained for a few years for powerlifting. not saying he would break records, but he could compete.

2750?LOL NO WAY!!! the best total ever right now is at 2803, ronnie is not there! also he would have to learn the equipment, which takes time, . his form on the deadlift is not great by any means, his squat is way high, and pressing in a shirt is a whole other movement.he would do OK in powerlfitng, but would be FAR fom the best! it is another different sport

[Doc.Sust]

i am a deuche

yes you are!


PS it is a good idea to not direspect mods on this site, use that for a future reference

[Doc.Sust]

thread is close, enough is enough, this isnt going any where