Testing

[audis4]

I'm going to be gone for the day but will reply when I return.

I'm participating in a bench/deadlifting competition July 07, 2007. There will be drug testing. I finished my first cycle mid January and want to start my second cycle June 01.

Should I wait until after the competition to begin my cycle and is the drug test going to pick up anything from the first cycle? Is there something I can take prior to be sure because my parents/girlfriend will be going and that would be interesting if I failed

btw, is the manta ray squat just the normal squat with the blue pad?

[Doc.Sust]

manta, blue pad with a close stance

as far as the drug test goes, they will test you but they dont have the results for wks, your paretns and girlfriend wont know the difference wks later, what federation is this?

[audis4]

http://www.nwusapl.com/wa/index.html

doc. here's the link.

ok, I'll start my lean bulk and cycle june 01 as planned wow, didn't know you didn't get the results until weeks later

[RJstrong]

you should try looking into an organization that does not test... if you plan on competing using gear you should go and compete against others that are no doubt on.

[audis4]

you should try looking into an organization that does not test... if you plan on competing using gear you should go and compete against others that are no doubt on.

I was looking but couldn't find anywhere in Washington state, guess I didn't look hard enough. I'll check it out tonight, thanks RJ

[Doc.Sust]

http://www.nwusapl.com/wa/index.html

doc. here's the link.

ok, I'll start my lean bulk and cycle june 01 as planned wow, didn't know you didn't get the results until weeks later

do NOT compete in this sanction! they have WAY to many rules. they are so strict they make the lifting no fun at all, also they drug test alot, very lot, skip this meet. usapl is the worst, if they paid me, i wouldnt compete in their organization

[Doc.Sust]

look into WABDL, they run meets by you.they suposedly test, but i hear otherwise about that. press and deadlift only. look into the APF as well.

[audis4]

^^ok thanks for looking into that for me doc! I almost mailed my form out today! I'm going to research tonight and see what you think. Thanks!

[audis4]

http://www.wabdl.org/schedule_of_meets.htm

Alright doc, I emailed these characters, let me know if this seems more reasonable.

[Hellmaskbanned]

WHat AS did you run in Jan.?
If your serious hold off on your june cycle because obviously you will test positive lol.
If it's nothing major I would just get in a meet post cycle.

[audis4]

WHat AS did you run in Jan.?
If your serious hold off on your june cycle because obviously you will test positive lol.
If it's nothing major I would just get in a meet post cycle.

This was my first cycle:

week 1-10: test e or c 625mg EW
week 1-5: tbol 60mgs everyday
week 8-12: winni 75mg everyday
Week 11-17: clenbuterol 100mg
week 1-18: nolva
week 14-18: clomid
PCT:
Days 1-30 100mg clomid ed
Days 1-40 20mg nolva ed

Ya, well I knew I would fail the test if I just started my cycle but I guess my real question is, would I find out the results directly after I piss tested or whatever they do.
The comp. I want to do now is August 11 and I'm going to start my cycle june 01 still.

[Dude-Man]

You really shouldn't compete in drug free competitions if you're on.

[Hellmaskbanned]

This was my first cycle:

week 1-10: test e or c 625mg EW
week 1-5: tbol 60mgs everyday
week 8-12: winni 75mg everyday
Week 11-17: clenbuterol 100mg
week 1-18: nolva
week 14-18: clomid
PCT:
Days 1-30 100mg clomid ed
Days 1-40 20mg nolva ed

Ya, well I knew I would fail the test if I just started my cycle but I guess my real question is, would I find out the results directly after I piss tested or whatever they do.
The comp. I want to do now is August 11 and I'm going to start my cycle june 01 still.

Winstrol Has an 8 month detection time I'm pretty sure.

So positive I'm guessing.

I wouldn't want a positive test on my name in a competive sport.

No matter if it's another lifter or your Gf/Mom,

[Mealticket]

You really shouldn't compete in drug free competitions if you're on.

I agree.
Quit being a pussy and start your cycle afterwards.
You're going to be cheating someone who's natural out of having a chance @ winning.
I know everyone juices and uses gear to help in athletics and sports but knowingly going into a PL competition when they are going to test while juicing is wrong. But to each there own.
If thats the only way you can do well then you have to live w/ it.

[audis4]

Winstrol Has an 8 month detection time I'm pretty sure.

So positive I'm guessing.

I wouldn't want a positive test on my name in a competive sport.

No matter if it's another lifter or your Gf/Mom,

Ok, I would be fine by august then.

I want to find one that isn't drug tested and I think the APF isn't. Trying to find dates right now.

[Doc.Sust]

http://www.wabdl.org/schedule_of_meets.htm

Alright doc, I emailed these characters, let me know if this seems more reasonable.

i just read the rules, i thought they offered drug full divison, but they done, only drug free. lookinto the APF

[Doc.Sust]

Winstrol Has an 8 month detection time I'm pretty sure.

So positive I'm guessing.

I wouldn't want a positive test on my name in a competive sport.

No matter if it's another lifter or your Gf/Mom,

detection time for winny is alot less than this

http://www.steroid.com/detect.php

[audis4]

I just emailed 5 or 6 different orgs. that don't drug test. I asked them if they will be in the Washington state area between July-August. I'll let you know what I hear. Thanks

[Doc.Sust]

what orgs? list them out for me

[RJstrong]

good luck bro... i think you're making the right choice by looking into another meet!

[stacked566]

Just to let you guys know, yes USAPL tests, but there are so many users in that fed. Yes it sucks bad, because of all the rules and strict equipment limitations, but they are probaby the biggest fed for guys like me in the collegiate and junior classes. I have passed all of my drug tests even though I shouldnt have and i know a half dozen other guys that cycle more than I do that compete in my old weight class. People think it's morally wrong I guess, but thats the way its done. If you don't compete, you have no idea, and are just throwing in an outsider opinion. I like the APF a lot more, but my school only pays for USAPL meets...so I'm stuck. I guess I'm just a big pussy huh?

[RJstrong]

Just to let you guys know, yes USAPL tests, but there are so many users in that fed. Yes it sucks bad, because of all the rules and strict equipment limitations, but they are probaby the biggest fed for guys like me in the collegiate and junior classes. I have passed all of my drug tests even though I shouldnt have and i know a half dozen other guys that cycle more than I do that compete in my old weight class. People think it's morally wrong I guess, but thats the way its done. If you don't compete, you have no idea, and are just throwing in an outsider opinion. I like the APF a lot more, but my school only pays for USAPL meets...so I'm stuck. I guess I'm just a big pussy huh?

no you're not a big pussy... you're finding a way to get out there and compete. you just aren't going to find many APF guys (me included) that are fans of the USAPL or USgayPL (LOL). Look I'm lucky to live in FL where the APF is strong and meets are going on everywhere... I just choose to compete where people aren't trying to fool the system but more so where I feel the best competition is. it's no big secret that USAPL or IPF guys juice and obviously it's no secret that APF or WPO guys use gear and I realize people get hung up on the moral aspect of the game. however, i think if you have the opportunity to lift in the APF and you are inclined to use gear you should get out there and do it... to me it will really show you where you stack up against who I feel to be the best lifters out there.

[stacked566]

Yeah i compete in the APF whenever I get a chance, just the USAPL is my main fed for now....damn rules tho....ughh.

[Doc.Sust]

Yeah i compete in the APF whenever I get a chance, just the USAPL is my main fed for now....damn rules tho....ughh.

hey for now it is ok, just get the hell out of the org when you are out of college,

[Doc.Sust]

Just to let you guys know, yes USAPL tests, but there are so many users in that fed. Yes it sucks bad, because of all the rules and strict equipment limitations, but they are probaby the biggest fed for guys like me in the collegiate and junior classes. I have passed all of my drug tests even though I shouldnt have and i know a half dozen other guys that cycle more than I do that compete in my old weight class. People think it's morally wrong I guess, but thats the way its done. If you don't compete, you have no idea, and are just throwing in an outsider opinion. I like the APF a lot more, but my school only pays for USAPL meets...so I'm stuck. I guess I'm just a big pussy huh?

the funny thing is this, i know this, you know this, but the rest of the usapl lifters completely deny this and it is such bullshit. post this on one of there websites and watch the fireworks fly! "are national team is drug free, we pass out of meet tests etc etc etc.. hmm ipf lifters capt kirk and coan are known to have used, yet their records stand and none of the usapl guys ever say anything about this or cut them down. hypocrites.

[stacked566]

Haha...the coach of a multitime national championship winning pl'ing team set me up with my pre national cycle...haha

[Doc.Sust]

Haha...the coach of a multitime national championship winning pl'ing team set me up with my pre national cycle...haha

exactly!!! thatswhat i am talking about.

are you gearing your cycles with a base line of test prop and than suspension for the last 2 wks before the meet using the detection times to know when you will be clean ? i am curious.

[Doc.Sust]

also i f you arent conmfortable putting thison the open board PM me.

[stacked566]

The cycle I just did was:
weeks 1-6- Test Prop
weeks 5-8- suspension
weeks 1-6- tren A
weeks 5-8- halotestin

I stop all compounds 2-3 days out from the meet. And just hit up clen / caffiene and HCG and save the rest of the ancillaries for after the meet. I should've probably gotten pinched by now, but its not like I'm getting tested everytime. Plus there is so much water in me by the time I pee when I have had to get tested that I'm sure the results can't be too clear. Like I said, there is no science here really for me, but my next cycle before an APF meet in august (decided not to do a BB show) is gonna look like this:

weeks 1-4 test prop
weeks 3-6 test susp
weeks 4-6 halo
weeks 1-5 t3 (trying to get back to 198)
weeks 1-4- anavar
and throwing some cheque drops in there.

[audis4]

Here is one I emailed but none in Washington.
http://www.independentpowerlifting.com/

Looked here, didn't see any in Washington.
http://www.worldpowerliftingcongress.com/

F, I have no clue where to look. Only 2 that emailed me back.

[Doc.Sust]

The cycle I just did was:
weeks 1-6- Test Prop
weeks 5-8- suspension
weeks 1-6- tren A
weeks 5-8- halotestin

I stop all compounds 2-3 days out from the meet. And just hit up clen / caffiene and HCG and save the rest of the ancillaries for after the meet. I should've probably gotten pinched by now, but its not like I'm getting tested everytime. Plus there is so much water in me by the time I pee when I have had to get tested that I'm sure the results can't be too clear. Like I said, there is no science here really for me, but my next cycle before an APF meet in august (decided not to do a BB show) is gonna look like this:

weeks 1-4 test prop
weeks 3-6 test susp
weeks 4-6 halo
weeks 1-5 t3 (trying to get back to 198)
weeks 1-4- anavar
and throwing some cheque drops in there.

what week would the meet be on? wk 9? i understanf what you are doinf witht he test, but the tren and the halo, DAMN! i am suprisesd you passed the tests. they usualy have longer detection times.
http://www.steroid.com/detect.php

take a look, what dose were you using the halo and tren at?

[stacked566]

Yeah, that last cycle I ran with the tren ended in january and I didn't have a meet til mar 10th. It was more of a lean bulker than strength, although the halo rocked. I didn't get tested at the state meet, luckily, bc I probably would've failed. I used to have some of that steroid cleanse, but sold it to a fellow USAPL lifter. I don't have another meet til august, so I won't be doing this next cycle til then, I should probably drop the halo eh? I had no idea the detection time was that long, but I love the stuff. I was on halo @ 20mg and tren @ 75mg ed. To be honest the meet in august might be my last for awhile, because I'm getting pretty beat up. Plus the USAPL like you said is no fun. The only time I cycled right up to a meet was when I did test only and stopped the prop a week out. I was tested then as well. I'm not so sure cycling right up to a meet is a great idea anymore after all this talk about getting pinched.

[Doc.Sust]

Yeah, that last cycle I ran with the tren ended in january and I didn't have a meet til mar 10th. It was more of a lean bulker than strength, although the halo rocked. I didn't get tested at the state meet, luckily, bc I probably would've failed. I used to have some of that steroid cleanse, but sold it to a fellow USAPL lifter. I don't have another meet til august, so I won't be doing this next cycle til then, I should probably drop the halo eh? I had no idea the detection time was that long, but I love the stuff. I was on halo @ 20mg and tren @ 75mg ed. To be honest the meet in august might be my last for awhile, because I'm getting pretty beat up. Plus the USAPL like you said is no fun. The only time I cycled right up to a meet was when I did test only and stopped the prop a week out. I was tested then as well. I'm not so sure cycling right up to a meet is a great idea anymore after all this talk about getting pinched.

thetren is even a longer detection time so drop it as well. the smart thing to do is the prop /suspensio combo right up to the meet IMO, they cant take any records away from you or titles you won before if you get pinched now

[geoff2000]

so if your competition is on a saturday,would it be safe to take a 50ml shot of agoviron ***ot<suspension>on the tuesday and test negative on the saturday,providing you didnt have anything else lying around?

[Doc.Sust]

yes,

[geoff2000]

i heard agoviron ***ot contains the ester buytrate attached so it will prolonge for up to 2 weeks.could you tell me if this is true <doc sust>..

[Doc.Sust]

i cant read what you posted s p a c e it out like this so it wont edit it like this***

[geoff2000]

sorry about that,i heard that agoviron d e p o t contains the ester buytrate,and if so would the detection time be longer than 3 days..