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    Doc Sust PLS help

    Hey man
    Are u really a doctor?
    I have a question for you..im running a cycle that looks like this:

    Week 1-6 :Test Prop
    Week 1-4 :dianabol
    Week 6-10:Test suspension

    Ok so im a tested powerlifter..my meet is one week after my final suspesion jab..Will my T/E ratio be ok by then?Im gonna be running 200mg ed of test suspesion.

    Should I go on tribulus to bring back my epitest levels in that week before the meet?

    I would SO appreciate your help man
    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCalves
    Hey man
    Are u really a doctor?
    I have a question for you..im running a cycle that looks like this:

    Week 1-6 :Test Prop
    Week 1-4 :dianabol
    Week 6-10:Test suspension

    Ok so im a tested powerlifter..my meet is one week after my final suspesion jab..Will my T/E ratio be ok by then?Im gonna be running 200mg ed of test suspesion.

    Should I go on tribulus to bring back my epitest levels in that week before the meet?

    I would SO appreciate your help man
    Thanks
    i am a chiro.

    no with this cycle, yep everything you said will work, cut the suspension out 3 days before the meet, dose hig on tribulus and tongkat ali than and you will be fine. you may be bette rof running the prop for 9 wks and the suspension for only 3 wks, 6 wks of ED injections would be a pain in the ass

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc.Sust
    i am a chiro.

    no with this cycle, yep everything you said will work, cut the suspension out 3 days before the meet, dose hig on tribulus and tongkat ali than and you will be fine. you may be bette rof running the prop for 9 wks and the suspension for only 3 wks, 6 wks of ED injections would be a pain in the ass
    Ok Doc..so you sure I wont get busted??What exactly is tongkat ali?Isnt 3 days cutting it a bit short?How does that effect the T/E ratio..cos thats the main thing im worried about.

    Is three weeks enough time for the prop to clear?Do you think that 7 weeks is enough clearance for the dbol ?

    What exactly is your backround in the whole drug testing world?Sorry to ask,I just need to know.

    Thanks again for your help.

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    http://www.steroid.com/detect.php

    read this, the detection times are here

    T/e ratio is hard to say, as long as you keep it in the normal you will be fine. running 200mg ed of test will put your level way to high. back it down 50mg a day to 75mg a day and you will be fine. the key is to put your test level as high as possible , but not going above that. it is different for everyone.

    i know how to do this because i have seen it done first hand

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc.Sust
    http://www.steroid.com/detect.php

    read this, the detection times are here

    T/e ratio is hard to say, as long as you keep it in the normal you will be fine. running 200mg ed of test will put your level way to high. back it down 50mg a day to 75mg a day and you will be fine. the key is to put your test level as high as possible , but not going above that. it is different for everyone.

    i know how to do this because i have seen it done first hand
    ok
    Last week of cycle..75mg/day
    One week off then the drug test

    Is that what u are saying?How do you mean as long as I keep it in the normal?Surely if I go:

    Last week 200mg/day
    One week off then the drug test

    I will get away with it?Cos my synthetic test will be almost at zero..

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    T/E ratio normal. as long as your t/e ration is within the normal limits, you will be fine,
    they do not test for synthetic test(it is to expensive), your test is checked with the T/e ratio only.

    i would run my suspension 100mg a day, the last wk run it at 50mg, 3-4 days beofre the meet, stop taking the suspension

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    I think I am confused about T/E test..what exactly does it mean?

    Seeing as though the synthetic test will suppress my natural test production..will they pick up that I have a low natural test production on the t/e test?And will they then bust me for it?

    Surely they cant cos some guys produce more than others..

    Pls explain exactly what the T/E is..what is epitest?

    Thanks man
    Much appreciated

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    they cant bust you for low test only above normal. all you have to do is make sure your T/E ration is normal.

    Testosterone is a naturally occurring hormone.
    Epitestosterone is a chemically similar natural steroid that is produced independently of testosterone.
    The normal testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio in urine varies from individual to individual and on average is one to one.
    This ratio does not vary significantly within an individual unless a testosterone or related preparation is taken or some pathological condition exists. In such cases, the testosterone level can increase. The epitestosterone level will remain unaffected because it is made through a different bio-synthetic pathway.
    Naturally occurring T/E ratios above six to one are rare.
    Effects

    a testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio of greater than four (4) to one (1) in the urine of a competitor constitutes an offence unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition.
    In the case of a T/E result of greater than 4:1 and no other reliable analytical method applied it is mandatory that the relevant medical authority conducts an investigation before the sample is declared positive.

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    Normal levels of testosterone fall between 250 and 800 nanograms of testosterone per deciliter of blood. so as long as you keep your test as close to 800 possible without going over this, you willbe safe. what is your particular level? i have no clue it is different for everyone, you need a blood test to tell where you stand. get you level checked while you are off, than get on a decent dose and go back for another test, than you can gauge if you need a higher or lower dose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doc.Sust
    they cant bust you for low test only above normal. all you have to do is make sure your T/E ration is normal.

    Testosterone is a naturally occurring hormone.
    Epitestosterone is a chemically similar natural steroid that is produced independently of testosterone.
    The normal testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio in urine varies from individual to individual and on average is one to one.
    This ratio does not vary significantly within an individual unless a testosterone or related preparation is taken or some pathological condition exists. In such cases, the testosterone level can increase. The epitestosterone level will remain unaffected because it is made through a different bio-synthetic pathway.
    Naturally occurring T/E ratios above six to one are rare.
    Effects

    a testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio of greater than four (4) to one (1) in the urine of a competitor constitutes an offence unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition.
    In the case of a T/E result of greater than 4:1 and no other reliable analytical method applied it is mandatory that the relevant medical authority conducts an investigation before the sample is declared positive.
    Ok thanks Doc...so just to sum it up..if I take my last jab of suspension 5 days before the drug test..it will show that I have low natural production of test and a normal epitest production?

    Its only when there is synthetic test in the sample that I am screwed??
    So juicing doesn't effect epitest levels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCalves
    Ok thanks Doc...so just to sum it up..if I take my last jab of suspension 5 days before the drug test..it will show that I have low natural production of test and a normal epitest production?

    Its only when there is synthetic test in the sample that I am screwed??
    So juicing doesn't effect epitest levels?
    arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! if there is synthetic test or not it doesnt matter, they dont test specificaly for that, as long as your raito is correct you are in the clear, i made it as simple as possible, stop taking 3-4 days before the meet, your levels of test and epitest will be in the range to PASS the test. juice doenst effect epitest THAT is how they can tell if you were taking something, if your level normal test level is so much higher than epitest levels,

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    Thanks Doc

    Im just acting stupid so that I really understand thoroughly..cos I cant get busted..

    You the man Doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCalves
    Thanks Doc

    Im just acting stupid so that I really understand thoroughly..cos I cant get busted..

    You the man Doc
    LOL! to many questions!!! lLOL! this will work, keepyour test dose moderate and no insane, follow what i told you , and you will be fine

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