Pop's Intro log and a nose dive into the dark side

[Pops2316]

My stats
Hgt 5'8
Weight fluctuates between 210-220
I cut and compete at 198
Bench;345
Squat;505(with wraps)
Deadlift;535

I am going to be doing my first cycle. I have done multiple ph's in the past but never went to the dark side completely.

Sustanon 500 mgs weeks 1-15
Msten weeks 1-4
Epiandro(hardening effect) weeks 11-15

I will take exemstane as my ai and tudca for my msten run. Pct will be clomid and torem.

I am looking to recomp adding lean muscle mass while cutting fat.

I was using carb back loading but I reached a plateau and decided that eating clean on the Renaissance diet will help me achieve my goals a lot better.

I will be doing .7 Monday
.7 Wednesday
.6 Friday to make it 500 mgs and I take advantage of the short esters

While I want to recomp I am looking forward to increased recovery. Powerlifting on top of my physical labor job runs down my body sometimes too quickly.

I have 30 days of mk677 that I will run and add for another two months following my cycle stacking with my pct.

I will also be using a peptide called sgh107. Looking forward to this already.

I have been doing Sheiko but I think I will go back to the Ed Coan routine which incorporates more accessory work which I do whenever I'm running a prohormone cycle.

Again thanks for reading and looking forward to this log!

[Pops2316]

Starting the sustanon next Monday

Started the epiandro today + msten a few days ago.

Last Sheiko workout for awhile

Bench
275x5(r)x 6
Long 4-6 second pauses on this

Deficit pulls Beltless
225x5
315x5
345x3x3
405x3x3

Box pulls
365x5x2
405x4
455x4
475x4x4

Kroc Rows
135 x 5x5

Amrap dips
35
Amrap pull ups
12

[Pops2316]

Today's workout was alright

Back pumps kicked in hard though on RDLs

Squats
355x10x2(s)

Ssb squats
185x8x2(I suck at these)

RDLs
The most I have ever done is 365 for 6 with shotty form

Usually stay around 315 slow and controlled completely focusing solely on my hamstrings

Today with the back pumps from the msten I was only able to do sets of 4 with 225! Agonizing and I have only been on for 6 days or so

Leg press
600x 3 sets of 10
Calf extensions as well

Leg curls
100 reps

[kelkel]

Will be following pops!

[Pops2316]

Thanks Bro!

First pin went in last night and.... It went amazing! Amazingly bad lololololol

Went too far inward on glute. Didn't feel good, felt like a nerve or something. Aspirated and blood came out!

Did my quad didn't even feel it go in. No problems we are golden!

Doing another one tomorrow

Bench day

Bench
265x10x2(s)

Close grip
225x10x2

Incline
185x10x2

Incline db press
80x7
80x9
80x10

Skull crusher's
105x12x2

Triceps press down
Maxed out machine x 3 sets of 10

Dips
25 reps

Thinking about adding farmer carries, and sled pulls on my off days to help burn fat first thing in the morning and improve endurance

[Pops2316]

Wow 2nd time pinning did a full ml

Limping like a mofo lolol

Deadlift

Super light since it's the start of my new routine

Paused(can't do this light like the program stated without making it a little difficult) deads

335x10

Bent over bbell rows
Wow so I always have a hard time with these. Not the weight but my lower back. With the back pumps I was only able to do two sets of 10 at 225.

RDLs
315x8x2

Dbell rows
105x10x3

Pull ups
2x8

Lat pulldowns
3x10

My arms are starting to take shape! Tomorrow shoulders!

[almostgone]

Quads can be like that for me as well. Sometimes absolutely no PIP, occasionally it feels as if someone took a sledgehammer to your quad.
How did the shoulder routine go?

[Pops2316]

Press day

My shoulders were popping and my biceps have a vein popping out of the front head BEFORE my workout

It's Sunday morning, my waist is slimmer, my abs are starting to show and my traps are bigger than they have ever been.

I was finally able to get a pin in my glute and it is sooo much better than my quads

Ohp
165x7
165x7
165x6

Speed bench with pauses
I go fast on the descent, pause for 3-5 seconds than explode up
225x10x2

Shoulder raises
40x10x3

Standing Arnold press
55x10x3

Concentration curls, reverse curls, hammer curls
4x12

Honestly thought my forearms and biceps were going to explode! This week the msten will really shine. I'm looking forward to it. And deca is on the way. Once I get the deca I'll start running my exemstane.

[Pops2316]

almostgone

After hitting my glutes I'm unsure if I'll do my quads more than once per week. I couldn't bend my knee without pain lol.

[almostgone]

Definitely rotate as much as possible. Quads are usually fair game for me, but every once in a while, it can be a real no- sh!tter in the pain department. Nice lifts you're posting.

[Pops2316]

Thanks Bro! I will 4sure

Squat day

My muscles are noticeably bigger. My V is more pronounced and also somehow I seem to be losing fat in my midsection.

Since I'm adding Deca I really don't want to blow up so I have decided to do conditioning in between sets. I workout early enough that there isn't a ton of ppl and I can be that douche bag ?

Squat
370x5
185 sled pull back and forth

370x6
205 sled pull back and forth

370x5
205 sled pull back and forth

410x4
205 sled pull back and forth

RDLs
315x8x2

Leg press x calf extensions
By this time my legs were so incredibly pumped it was nuts!

425x15x3

Starting the deca today. I attribute all my gains so far to the epiandro and msten. The test I feel hasn't fully kicked in yet. The prop is helping me lean out a bit, but the size is definitely coming from the msten. The hardness of my muscles is definitely the epiandro.

[almostgone]

Sh!t, man. You nuked legs. Nice!!!

[Pops2316]

Thanks Brother!

Wow so today things went great

Although the hypoglycemia caused by the mk677 post workout wasn't great the workout was awesome

My muscles feel like there is a constant pump. I have gained size all over. MY TRAPS O LAAAAWWWRRDDDY THOSE TRAPS. Seriously though my traps are nuts. My libido is insane. Everything is going great. My package got lost (mailman put it in the wrong mail box LOLOLOL) but I was able to finally get my deca with no problems. I'm starting that in a few hours.

I added the mk677 because I realized since I am going to be doing two cycles a year one will be bulk the other will be a cutting. This is my bulk. I am eating like a mad man. I will be getting more soon and also prami for possible prolactin sides.

Bench day

Bench press
275x10
275x7
275x5

Close grip Bench
235x8x2

Incline dbbell press
100x7x3(WHATTHEF)
Never even attempted this weight before always thought getting 90 for reps of 6 was my best

Skull crushers
145x12x3

Tricep pushdowns
maxxed out the machine for 3 sets of 12


Dips
By this time I thought I was going to pop out of my skin
bw for 3 sets of 8

[kelkel]

Pops make sure you get some BW mid cycle.

[NACH3]

Great log Pops!

Your a strong guy my man! Keep it up and train smart(I can't believe I just said that) lol

[BG]

Indeed..........well done.

[Pops2316]

Thanks Bros! Btw sorry for my ignorance but BW?

First off I am coming into my third week of msten + epiandro ( still undecided if I want to drop them or not)
Second week of sustanon
going into my second week of deca
going into second week of mk677
I was told hgh with a cycle is a must apparently
I don't have an extra grand per month nor do I have my diet
dialed in perfectly so mk is taking its place lolol

I have gone from 216-235.4 lbs bodyweight

My muscles are legitimately hard as rocks
No noticeable belly fat increases. I don't have abs and didn't before but I didn't acquire a gut.
Libido is nuts
My traps are swollen constantly

sides
the back pumps are tremendously horrible
...........
I don't know what else YET. Is this where I am supposed to say how they have ruined me? My ZZZZ will never work again? Horrible acne? I almost murdered someone for no reason due to the tremendous amount of rage I have boiling thru me nonstop?

The stigma's I thought were partially true haven't came even close YET again I reiterate it due to it being so early. Time will tell but It's looking promising.

Deadlift day

Super terrible hence why I am questioning on whether or not to drop the prohormones


deads
Wanted 405 two sets of 5 Beltless. Should have been easy and nothing considering my beltless rep pr is 475 for 3 and 405 feels like 315 for me. It was a struggle. My back was starting to feel it first off while I was loading up the bar.

I did the ten reps but the most I did in a row was three because the pumps were horrific.

Didn't even attempt bentover bbell rows. Did one set of RDL's for 315 for four reps but again my back couldn't hang. Mind you I have a physical job to attend to after this.

Chinups
two sets of 8 reps

DB rows
65x 6 sets of 10 reps

Holy moly my traps and upper back was pumped!

Lat pulldowns

3 x 10


Press day

Standing OHP
165x10x2

Woah woah what? Never Have I been able to rep this over five. Let alone for ten solid reps back to back.

Speed bench
My speed bench consists of fast negative very long pauses around five seconds and exploding off my chest
225x10

waay to easy

245x10

Felt Like I could have done 275 for 20 strength felt beyond on point

Incline dumbbell press
105x7x3

what what lolololol wasn't expecting this at all!

Concentration curls
75x 144 reps

[almostgone]

BW = blood work, Pops. I've never been a fan of the msten/epiandro type supps, but that's just me. If the sides continue to be a b!tch, I would consider dropping one of both of them.
Kel's the resident expert on BW as it relates to cycling and TRT, so he may have a better recommendation for which labs to pull. He has been a huge help when I have issues with my own blood work. So, a quick shout out of "Thank you" and much respect to Kel for the help.


The labs in the excerpt posted below are some suggestions from this link:

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html


Lastly, the most important part is your blood work. Steroids will wreak havoc on your blood levels. So you need to have panels ordered before, during and after your cycle. This will identify many things so that you can succeed and maintain a good state of health.

Blood work you need (at minimum):

1. Testosterone, Total
2. Testosterone, Free
3. Sensitive E2 Assay (Not basic estradiol, that's for women)
4. CBC (Compete blood count)
5. CMP (Comprehensive metabolic panel)
6. Lipid Profile (post cycle is fine)
7. LH and FSH (pre-cycle and post PCT)

These panels need to be done pre-cycle to ensure that your internals are ready for this ride. Mid-cycle to verify that your estrogen blocker dose is working, your blood isn't too thick, your liver is still safe and that your gear is legitimate and not fake or underdosed. Post cycle so that you can verify that you've completed your cycle safely and no issues need attention.

[Pops2316]

Thanks Brother!

Ok so sorry about my break

So far my upper body exercises keep going up but deadlifts and squats are suffering.

It was supposed to be deadlift day

I will say though earlier in the week I hit 295 for 8 reps and 2 sets on bench. Also 170 on OHP for 2x8 as well

Deadlifts
425x1,2,1,2,1

Jesus the back pumps were so screwed I had to stop after each set and stretch out.

I'm three days done with the orals but I guess it's still in my system.

Pull ups
2x8

Lat pulldowns
5x8

Kroc Rows
140x5
140x5
145x5
150x3

[Marsoc]

Wow 2nd time pinning did a full ml

Limping like a mofo lolol

Deadlift


Super light since it's the start of my new routine

Paused(can't do this light like the program stated without making it a little difficult) deads

335x10

Bent over bbell rows
Wow so I always have a hard time with these. Not the weight but my lower back. With the back pumps I was only able to do two sets of 10 at 225.

RDLs
315x8x2

Dbell rows
105x10x3

Pull ups
2x8

Lat pulldowns
3x10

My arms are starting to take shape! Tomorrow shoulders!

Unsure of your physical history. But perhaps you injured your back or its weak...? I'm sure if you add more little tweaks to your back routine that will put some extra work to your spinal erectors they should develop and get used to the stress or demands. For example I was watching Arnold do bent over rows. And he would balance on a 2x4 or something to get him off the ground enough to where he can fully extend his arms by letting them hang down on the negative motion. So he gets a full stretch and actually uses some motion. Not static while doing these so he engages his lower back. He said that lots of people lack this full range motion in rows. Which leads to undeveloped or less adequate lower back. I'm sure you have lots of experience. But try that for your bent over rows and perhaps the cable rows, let the cable pull your arms away from you really stretched. And then use you body and row while leaning back into it like you mean it lol. More of a natural motion again. rather a Static row as to engage your lower back more.

[Marsoc]

Thanks Brother!

Wow so today things went great

Although the hypoglycemia caused by the mk677 post workout wasn't great the workout was awesome

My muscles feel like there is a constant pump. I have gained size all over. MY TRAPS O LAAAAWWWRRDDDY THOSE TRAPS. Seriously though my traps are nuts. My libido is insane. Everything is going great. My package got lost (mailman put it in the wrong mail box LOLOLOL) but I was able to finally get my deca with no problems. I'm starting that in a few hours.

I added the mk677 because I realized since I am going to be doing two cycles a year one will be bulk the other will be a cutting. This is my bulk. I am eating like a mad man. I will be getting more soon and also prami for possible prolactin sides.

Bench day

Bench press
275x10
275x7
275x5

Close grip Bench
235x8x2

Incline dbbell press
100x7x3(WHATTHEF)
Never even attempted this weight before always thought getting 90 for reps of 6 was my best

Skull crushers
145x12x3

Tricep pushdowns
maxxed out the machine for 3 sets of 12


Dips
By this time I thought I was going to pop out of my skin
bw for 3 sets of 8

Man I wish I was the one who got that "wrong package" lol. Would be a Nice surprise

[Pops2316]

Thanks for the suggestion I'll do that next time! I was tripping about the package badly!

Press day

Strict OHP
185x6
185x5
185x4

Speed paused bench
245x10
245x12

Damn I'm thinking that the exemstane is killing my shoulders. I'm switching to e3d along with Prami. Btw Prami is nooooo joke! I took .25 mgs before bed I felt like I was sea sick and tired as heck. But hey no milk will br coming out of my pecs so it's ok

Incline db press
105x6
105x6
105x10

Seriously my traps and delts were killing me.

Burnout concentration curls
150 reps

Skipped shoulder raises couldn't hang today. My water retention is leaving and my back pumps are getting better. Looking forward to next week.

?

[Marsoc]

Thanks for the suggestion I'll do that next time! I was tripping about the package badly!

Press day

Strict OHP
185x6
185x5
185x4

Speed paused bench
245x10
245x12

Damn I'm thinking that the exemstane is killing my shoulders. I'm switching to e3d along with Prami. Btw Prami is nooooo joke! I took .25 mgs before bed I felt like I was sea sick and tired as heck. But hey no milk will br coming out of my pecs so it's ok

Incline db press
105x6
105x6
105x10

Seriously my traps and delts were killing me.

Burnout concentration curls
150 reps

Skipped shoulder raises couldn't hang today. My water retention is leaving and my back pumps are getting better. Looking forward to next week.

?

I tried doing the bent over rows while standing on a raised platform and getting that full reach stretch and then row. It's hard to get the dynamics of what is actually the proper way opposed to what feels right etc. looks easy watching videos. But yeah. That's just like a small thing to do that will pay off in the long run ya know. I'm sure you know of better more direct ways of strengthing any are that's an issue.

[Pops2316]

Bro I focused on keeping my lower back as well as my upper engaged. What a challenge! I'm weak as hell there!

Prepare for a story! This last week of workouts! Here we go

First off I switched my training time to early in the morning due to the new job

I'm back in steel and the place while it isn't a foundry, steel perpetuates whatever temperature it is. If it's eight five outside its 90 something inside. If its 40 its below freezing inside etc. I have been drying out.

Squat day

My back pumps are finally pretty much gone! So effin freeing its crazy. Honestly after this cycle I probably won't run another oral compound again. So many sides its crazy.

Squats
415x5
415x5
with wraps

SSB
185x3 sets of 8

Leg press
3 sets of 12 supersetted with calf extensions

Leg Curl
100 reps


Bench Press day

Bench
305x5
305x5
Super easy sets. Even paused the last three.

Close grip bench
275x5
275x5

Skull crushers
155x8x3

dbell incline press
105x8x3

Cable tricep pushdowns
maxxed out machine x 10 x 3

Dips
bodyweightx12x3

DEADLIFT DAY

HOLY MOLY, SOMEBODY CAN PULL AGAIN!!!!

Back pumps have fully ceased and honestly I probably will never take another prohormone again and stick to oils. The sides are so much worst. For me that is, my buddy runs msten at 30 mgs all the way thru like its nothing. My other buddy runs SD at 30. Honestly I couldn't function on 20 mgs of msten

Even with the lack of back pumps my pulls weren't favorable until my last set when I fully corrected my form. I am back down to around 235 with no water weight. With the new job I have been sweating like no other. All the while every part of my body has grown. My leverages have fully changed and nothing felt right until I realized how I needed to be at the last set. Wider stance, wider grip, feet pointed a little more out

Deadlift
425x1,2,2,2,3

Stiff legged deadlifts
225x10

bentover bbell row
very lightweight focusing on building my lowerback as well as my core
135x12x3

Chinups
3 sets of 8 at bodyweight

Bentover bbell rows
130x8x3