hey im about to do a cycle of test enanthate, just wondering which gauge needles i should use? :scratch:
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hey im about to do a cycle of test enanthate, just wondering which gauge needles i should use? :scratch:
i use 22 g x 1 1/2"
use a 22 guage to draw, use a 25 guage to inject.
ya that sounds like a smart idea im not into sticking dull needles into my ass
I though it didn't matter what size you use to draw provided it is wide enought to draw the aas.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeyMastur
alot of people use a diff one for drawing and injecting b/c u slightly dull the needle putting it through the stopper
btw anyone know of a good place to get ur pins and syringes online????
i HATE going into CVS for that sh*t, they look at u like ur a junkbox
Have a lot at the top of this page for a link.Quote:
Originally Posted by FRANk THe TANk
www.anabolicreview-research.com
On this issue of drawing. What if I'm using amps as apposed to vials.
I just got my 25ga. 1 1/2" pins from ARR. This is my first cycle and Holy Crap..those thing look loooong!!! I nearly passed out lokking at them!! Gonna bite the bullet and start the cycle next week!!
yeah 22 to draw and a 25 to inject.........unless its winny time ......then 20 g to shoot.....or drink it
most bros i talked to say their pins always scratch the bottom of the amp getting every ounce of that juice out which dulls them worse than vials... golden rule, two pins for every vial/amp
Any size from 21 down to draw and 21 up to inject, depending where your hitting. For first timers 23 (blue) is usually enough for glutes. I use 21 (greens) for glutes, 23 (blue) for delts and 25 (oranage) for quads and biceps.
Da*n almost forgot. I draw with 21's almost 100 % of the time and change, don't want a blunt dart in my ass!
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Originally Posted by imann
Can you drink it?... :lol: :lol:
the only issue with using a larger to draw.. is... damage done to the stopper that could cause the substance in the vial to become contaminated...Quote:
Originally Posted by GREENMACHINE
so use a 21 to draw.. and 23 or 25 to inject..
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Originally Posted by spywizard
If its a multi-shot vial thats a chance you take. Treat it like you would any membrain your putting your pin through, steri-wipe it and draw. Same as your skin, steri-wipe and shoot.
Lots of good answers here. Personally I draw with 18s if I have them, and shoot with 23 or 25. I have shot with 22ga and even with 21s but the ouch factor is considerable. My ex has to take 40mg of estradiol valerate IM each month and she uses 21ga pins and she draws and shoots with the same one. Too hardcore for me!
Yes, you should change pins when drawing from either amp or vial. The rubber stopper dulls the pin with the vial and you will of course dull the pin on the bottom and sides of an amp, too. Bigger is better for drawing but like somebody said having a big ol hole in the stopper isn't a good thing. I also wipe the tops of my vials with alcohol wipes even if I just flipped the top on a new one. Good habit to get into.
For most site injections you really should go with the 25ga pin. 1" is okay for delts or tris or bis or gastrocs etc but 1-1/2" is better for glutes. The smaller guage pin takes longer to inject due to the thickness of the oil, but no biggie.
Don't forget to aspirate! (pull back on the plunger after stabbing and before injecting the gear) You need to pull a vaccuum and check for blood so you know you didn't hit a vein. Take your time pushing the plunger. Easy does it. Nothing wrong with taking a full minute to shoot 1 to 3cc of gear. It seems to cause me less pain that way.
And yes, you can drink winnie. Don't bother trying to drink enanthate, though.
Do any of you find that there is some test left in the drawing pin itself after drawing and switching to a fresh pin--or does the test not get left in the pin itself at all?
yea some oil will get stuck in the top of the tube and needle. If you really want you can put a small bit of sterile oil in the needle first. I do that if i'm using large barrels. Like when i use 5cc 11/2" 22ga for all the oils, i'll draw a tiny bit of oil i sterilized in a sealed vial first, to get all the gear out!Quote:
Originally Posted by lookingforquality
With a 3cc or 1cc barrel the amount wasted is inconsequential. Of course the more injections, the more waste. It would be something to think about if doing test prop eod or ed. For a 3cc injection the amount lost would be a pretty small percentage. For 1cc or less the significance increases. 1/10ml lost in a week is no biggie for me because I don't happen to do the worst case thing on cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by lookingforquality
But you are concerned with the gear within the discarded pin itself? Just "reverse purge" the pin. Hold the loaded rig pin up and pull back the plunger. With the rig still pointing up, change pins, tap/flick and purge the air. The discarded pin will have only traces. The loss will be in the head of the syringe where the pin is screwed on, and in the new pin itself. You lose nothing by changing pins to shoot.
hey guys, maybe im stupid but i dont see needles at allsportsnutrition, am i missing something?
playa not the all sports link, look 4 the anabolic review and research link.Its the one at the very top that the logo keeps changing with the yellow writing.just click on it
wow excellent advice, i never thought about that and have never changed needles when drawing from amps! :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Muscle_4_Hire