Newbies need to learn some respect

**lifterjaydawg** · 06-01-2007, 08:39 PM

O.K. first off I know that Lion was having problems last month and that there were orders (including mine) that have been delayed and needed to get fixed. But whats with all the posts bashing Lion. I understand that if there are still legit problems than Lion needs to get them taken care of.

But it really seems like half of these threads and posts bashing lion's reputation are coming from newbies.

I just saw a thread talking about getting a new board sponser and it was from a newbie with about 20 posts. Again if these are legit problems than Lion better get them taken care of, but it seems very shady that so many newbies are bashing Lion.

I mentioned that my order came three weeks late but it was the first time I ever had a problem with Lion and I have been ordering from AR-R and from one of his stores on another message board for over two years. Not bad for an online research company. It seems like Lion has done quite a bit for the bodybuilding community especially here at AR. I am glad to hear everything is back up and running Lion. Keep up the good work.

-Jay

**mister.fantastic** · 06-01-2007, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by lifterjaydawg

O.K. first off I know that Lion was having problems last month and that there were orders (including mine) that have been delayed and needed to get fixed. But whats with all the posts bashing Lion. I understand that if there are still legit problems than Lion needs to get them taken care of.

But it really seems like half of these threads and posts bashing lion's reputation are coming from newbies.

I just saw a thread talking about getting a new board sponser and it was from a newbie with about 20 posts. Again if these are legit problems than Lion better get them taken care of, but it seems very shady that so many newbies are bashing Lion.

I mentioned that my order came three weeks late but it was the first time I ever had a problem with Lion and I have been ordering from AR-R and from one of his stores on another message board for over two years. Not bad for an online research company. It seems like Lion has done quite a bit for the bodybuilding community especially here at AR. I am glad to hear everything is back up and running Lion. Keep up the good work.

-Jay

WELL SAID JAY

BIG BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Adam F** · 06-01-2007, 08:57 PM

But it really seems like half of these threads and posts bashing lion's reputation are coming from newbies.

Yep your right half is newbies griping and the other half is long standing members. Point being he was un-professional on how he handled the down time.

It takes 2 or 3 minutes to type a thread to say, "hey we are still having problems." Instead he left people in the dark for way to many days. He could have taken a few minutes out of his busy day and bumped his orginal thread to keep members informed daily.

To this day there are many broken images scattered across his website. To this day there are members who have not recieved the packages in the appropriate TA time.

**taylor26** · 06-01-2007, 09:00 PM

I understand there are people waiting on orders and it could have been handled better. more info would have been nice. But I am seeing a lot of people with very few posts doing most of the complaining. I wonder where these newbies came from.

I have seen people with 1 post, and it was to rip on Lion. That seems really weird. Don't you think.

**Adam F** · 06-01-2007, 09:08 PM

Does it really matter how many posts you have? Regardless if you have 1 or 1,000 posts if the man has your money you have a legitimate claim.

Ar-r is not a source he sells legal research chemicals. Their is a big difference when you buy gear and post WTF threads compared to buying Letro and Supplements! Your post count is irrelavant.

Me personally I handled my business Via e-mail. I dont call out anyone in threads.

**Adam F** · 06-01-2007, 09:10 PM

But I am seeing a lot of people with very few posts doing most of the complaining. I wonder where these newbies came from.

They come from websurfing and run into AR Advertisments. When a problem arises they sign up on AR to post compliants out in the open. Or in hopes there thread will be seen for help

**ironaddict69** · 06-01-2007, 09:12 PM

lion is the shit, hands down. theyve never failed me before, but seeing all the posts im glad i havent ordered recently. however new people posting things like "get a new board sponsor" should be politely tracked down, and hurt, badly.

**johnmacdan** · 06-01-2007, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by lifterjaydawg

But it really seems like half of these threads and posts bashing lion's reputation are coming from newbies.

While I may be new to this board, I am not new to business or how games are played in this type of business. I find it interesting how many nebies still haven't had orders filled from April when other have had theirs filled. And I'm still judging whether it is coincidental or not. Actually if I were going to screw people, it would be someone new without any juice to hurt me like a newbie. And from what I have seen elsewhere, his reputation is only good with certain individuals. Others don't think so highly of him and swear to have seen this before from him without any resolution. Could be they are bitter toward him for other reasons. I'm still giving it the benefit of the doubt and waiting on my package from April 10. I won't order again from him even if my package does come because the seed of doubt has been sown. But at some point the facts speak for themselves. If other people are right and the packages don't show, what then? If it does show, he is a bad business man for the screw up and if it doesn't then you can fill in the blank.

And in regards to respect, everyone wants it and nobody wants to earn it. No matter what your past, respect is something you have to earn every day in business. You can burn years of goodwill in a minutes time. However, I don't think that is the case here. I don't see any of the guys praising him saying they are waiting on packages from him. Maybe they are, but it isn't obvious. Only the new guys that everybody keeps banging on to shut up.

**juju** · 06-01-2007, 09:52 PM

Could it be other research chem businesses doing the bashing? Just wondering...

**wanescotting** · 06-02-2007, 12:45 AM

I have ordered from lion 7 times. Same fast shipping and product is as advertised every time.

**cfiler** · 06-02-2007, 01:44 AM

I've always ordered my PCT from lion (plus other compounds) and never had a problem. I always got my package (wrapped incredibly well too, I might add.)

**NotSmall** · 06-02-2007, 02:09 AM

I fail to see what someones post count has to do with their right to fair treatment, what a daft criticism - it's not too hard to figure out that the reason that it is predominantly new members complaining is because it is predominantly new members who order from LION.

**king6** · 06-02-2007, 04:59 AM

I think one of the problems is the newbs kept sending lion PM's and E-Mails to the point where he could not respond to anything. I certainly would not have the time or paitience to respond to 100 PM's and E-Mails from the same 4 people asking the same question over and over again. "Where's my stuff, Where's my stuff?" If I were lion I would have taken your money and ran to Mexico, but he is a lot more paitient then I am, and is getting it all worked out. He could just be one guy running this whole business, I don't imagine it is easy.

**rockinred** · 06-02-2007, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by NotSmall

I fail to see what someones post count has to do with their right to fair treatment, what a daft criticism - it's not too hard to figure out that the reason that it is predominantly new members complaining is because it is predominantly new members who order from LION.

agreed.. I haven't ordered fom Lion or said one thing about this, but I have seen the posts all over. I am in business providing services and all consumers whether big or small define a company and the company's success. Every buyer whether it is the first or not has the potential to be the biggest customer or a good one at the least. So with that being said; I don't agree that number of posts have shit to do with anything when it comes to this. BTW, I am a bit reserved on buying in the future because of this. If I was Lion I would be looking at patching up the damage to reputation but, hey, everyone is different and conducts business differently.

**rockinred** · 06-02-2007, 05:15 AM

Originally Posted by king6

I think one of the problems is the newbs kept sending lion PM's and E-Mails to the point where he could not respond to anything. I certainly would not have the time or paitience to respond to 100 PM's and E-Mails from the same 4 people asking the same question over and over again. "Where's my stuff, Where's my stuff?" If I were lion I would have taken your money and ran to Mexico, but he is a lot more paitient then I am, and is getting it all worked out. He could just be one guy running this whole business, I don't imagine it is easy.

come on dude, isn't your avy a marine corp emblem? You wouldn't quit and run? what if he only had 1,000 dollars? that would barely get him to the border and couple of nights of cover. then what? It is about the future and what he can do with it. the point is he did not take the time to throw up a thread with some information when everyone was complaining and whining about it. bad choice on his part imo.

**chuckt12345** · 06-02-2007, 06:07 AM

wtf does it matter if you are a newbie or not. If your gonna take someones money then supply the product otherwise shut down your site until you can handle the demand. Ive been waiting two months on my shite. All ive been getting is the run arounds. If this site doesnt want new people on it then stop calling it a forum and make it a private website.

**Obs** · 06-02-2007, 06:15 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

wtf does it matter if you are a newbie or not. If your gonna take someones money then supply the product otherwise shut down your site until you can handle the demand. Ive been waiting two months on my shite. All ive been getting is the run arounds. If this site doesnt want new people on it then stop calling it a forum and make it a private website.

****in' right

**riskybusiness** · 06-02-2007, 06:46 AM

Originally Posted by taylor26

I understand there are people waiting on orders and it could have been handled better. more info would have been nice. But I am seeing a lot of people with very few posts doing most of the complaining. I wonder where these newbies came from.

I have seen people with 1 post, and it was to rip on Lion. That seems really weird. Don't you think.

i have never ordered from lion but from reading this thread a few thing stand out to me

I think what your saying (as nobody has picked up on it) is that these posters (Newbies) might not be costumers at all.

Another point i want to make is that if someone has been ordering off someone for two years then theyr'e going to take proirity over some who has just placed one order, surely????

**Atomini** · 06-02-2007, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

wtf does it matter if you are a newbie or not. If your gonna take someones money then supply the product otherwise shut down your site until you can handle the demand. Ive been waiting two months on my shite. All ive been getting is the run arounds. If this site doesnt want new people on it then stop calling it a forum and make it a private website.

EXACTLY!

I have been waiting 47 days for my order already. I placed my order on the 15th of April, and it's now June 2 already! I sent them 2 emails already (one of which was not responded to at all) and all i've been getting are jerk-arounds also. Lion also mentioned to me that my item was shipped when it was infact NOT shipped. All they did was just switch my status to "shipped" to temporarily satisfy me and make me think it was indeed shipped. Now it's back to "processing", even though they said they would really ship it a week ago.

I don't appreciate this, especially since this is my second order, and they have my money! I think I (and many others) would seriously appreciate a thread posted, or an email sent out that just simply lets us know of the status of what's going on. Right now, we're all in the dark about it!

As for the newbies posting... has anyone ever thought that these newbies might have been people who have ordered from Lion in the past, and they just never bothered to register on the forums until now?! I.e. they are probably longtime buyers who are fed up with the recent problems that's been going on! Not everyone who buys from Lion are members of this forum!

And what the heck does post count have anything to do with doing business? Doesn't matter if someone is a newbie... if they paid money for a product that they haven't recieved in 3 months, then they deserve to have a say in what the hell is going on and inquire about it. Good lord.

EDIT: I feel I should also mention that I do run an online business of my own selling products to people, and as hectic as things can get, it's not that hard to just notify all of your waiting customers of the status of what's going on. And if something does go wrong, it doesn't take THIS long to correct problems. It seems Lion is being selective about who's orders they are correcting.

**rar1015** · 06-02-2007, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by lifterjaydawg

O.K. first off I know that Lion was having problems last month and that there were orders (including mine) that have been delayed and needed to get fixed. But whats with all the posts bashing Lion. I understand that if there are still legit problems than Lion needs to get them taken care of.

But it really seems like half of these threads and posts bashing lion's reputation are coming from newbies.

I just saw a thread talking about getting a new board sponser and it was from a newbie with about 20 posts. Again if these are legit problems than Lion better get them taken care of, but it seems very shady that so many newbies are bashing Lion.

I mentioned that my order came three weeks late but it was the first time I ever had a problem with Lion and I have been ordering from AR-R and from one of his stores on another message board for over two years. Not bad for an online research company. It seems like Lion has done quite a bit for the bodybuilding community especially here at AR. I am glad to hear everything is back up and running Lion. Keep up the good work.

-Jay

And you're steroid question is...............................................

**MorganKane** · 06-02-2007, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

wtf does it matter if you are a newbie or not. If your gonna take someones money then supply the product otherwise shut down your site until you can handle the demand. Ive been waiting two months on my shite. All ive been getting is the run arounds. If this site doesnt want new people on it then stop calling it a forum and make it a private website.

I agree with this.
Lion is being called a selective scammer on other boards.

Why dont Lion just step up and take care of business.
Several months is not acceptable period.
If Lion does not have the products then refund the money.

Post count has nothing to do with anything.

**freakinhuge** · 06-02-2007, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by juju

Could it be other research chem businesses doing the bashing? Just wondering...

thats what i think too.

**king6** · 06-02-2007, 03:38 PM

I don't feel bad for those that purchased after his site went back up. Anyone with common sense would know that he was backed up with orders, and the new ones would make things more difficult. And those who are bitching because they are in a middle of a cycle and ran out of letro, then that is your own fault. I can't recall how many times it has been said to have your PCT on hand when you start a cycle, as well as any AI's you may need. He made the "waiting thread" for those who still have not gotten their stuff, I don't know what else they want?

**NotSmall** · 06-02-2007, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by king6

I don't feel bad for those that purchased after his site went back up. Anyone with common sense would know that he was backed up with orders, and the new ones would make things more difficult. And those who are bitching because they are in a middle of a cycle and ran out of letro, then that is your own fault. I can't recall how many times it has been said to have your PCT on hand when you start a cycle, as well as any AI's you may need. He made the "waiting thread" for those who still have not gotten their stuff, I don't know what else they want?

I would guess - delivery.

**king6** · 06-02-2007, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by NotSmall

I would guess - delivery.

Yeah, I guess that's true.

**cocky** · 06-02-2007, 06:07 PM

im what you guys call a newbie ive learned a lot from you guys i did complane i sent emails no response so i decided to just wait orderd on may 17 well my order came today june 2 so it is cool they will get it together stay pos thanks to all you bros for info keep up the good work

**dupa95** · 06-02-2007, 06:10 PM

Big bump

**Second2None** · 06-02-2007, 08:37 PM

big bump, hey he made his bed dont start cryin about bashin when it comes to lye in it,I am a business owner and i,d say he just put him self out of business
the fact of a growing business is if you were to plant a seed in the ground you will have to put effort in to water it and provide for it everyday and then that seed grows and grows which one day will provide you shade, thats a start to finish business building program, he actually got to that point and then seemed like to cut the damn thing down, bad business, his part

Originally Posted by Adam F

Yep your right half is newbies griping and the other half is long standing members. Point being he was un-professional on how he handled the down time.

It takes 2 or 3 minutes to type a thread to say, "hey we are still having problems." Instead he left people in the dark for way to many days. He could have taken a few minutes out of his busy day and bumped his orginal thread to keep members informed daily.

To this day there are many broken images scattered across his website. To this day there are members who have not recieved the packages in the appropriate TA time.

**RUI-Products** · 06-02-2007, 11:17 PM

Because of the server issues, shipping relocation, etc. -- it has been a bumpy month and a half. In no way have i been selective as to which back order gets taken care of first. The few remaining issues that need to be resolved with customers not receiving orders, please send me a PM, including your order number. It will be taken care of as quickly as possible. Please allow me to take this time again to thank everyone for their patience with all of these issues. I am now very familiar with the mantra: "When it rains, it pours." With that said, please continue.. and i'll keep working my ass off to make everything right again

**Bigfastmike** · 06-03-2007, 03:05 PM

Ever consider this?? I have been ordering from AR for over a year now with no problems. My last order has NOT come through and NO response from emails. I rarely post on this sight but it seems to be the only way to contact LION. Since I have few posts here I cant PM him so the ONLY option us "noobies" have is to post a complaint. Don't be so narrow minded when it comes to noobs. Like a lot of people this is not the only board out there. I am actually on here because of AR. I am not here to bash anyone, just to get some response. When you advertise freely and (more or less) invite noobs you gotta be a bit more tolerant of impatience, ignorance, whatever.

**king6** · 06-03-2007, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by Second2None

big bump, hey he made his bed dont start cryin about bashin when it comes to lye in it,I am a business owner and i,d say he just put him self out of business
the fact of a growing business is if you were to plant a seed in the ground you will have to put effort in to water it and provide for it everyday and then that seed grows and grows which one day will provide you shade, thats a start to finish business building program, he actually got to that point and then seemed like to cut the damn thing down, bad business, his part

He didn't put himself out of business. I guarantee 95% of the complainers will continue to order from him again. It's all about the product quality. If you think that chem research companies are a dime a dozen, then just read this.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=renal+failure

The moral is, when you find a good research company, you stick with it.

**ironaddict69** · 06-03-2007, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Lion

Because of the server issues, shipping relocation, etc. -- it has been a bumpy month and a half. In no way have i been selective as to which back order gets taken care of first. The few remaining issues that need to be resolved with customers not receiving orders, please send me a PM, including your order number. It will be taken care of as quickly as possible. Please allow me to take this time again to thank everyone for their patience with all of these issues. I am now very familiar with the mantra: "When it rains, it pours." With that said, please continue.. and i'll keep working my ass off to make everything right again

Lion, ur the man bro. never failed me before, and SHIT HAPPENS bro! now id really be happy if u started selling needles again

**ironaddict69** · 06-03-2007, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by king6

He didn't put himself out of business. I guarantee 95% of the complainers will continue to order from him again. It's all about the product quality. If you think that chem research companies are a dime a dozen, then just read this.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=renal+failure

The moral is, when you find a good research company, you stick with it.

whats the company that sold the letro so high dosed? i wanan make sure i dont order from them

**Joe Dic** · 06-04-2007, 11:18 AM

Dont you think all of us complaining would not prefer to be proved wrong?

I hope we are but shite man, the posts are because its the only way to voice a complaint. His customer service email is non responsive, and you cant PM until you have sufficient posts.
All you saying low post members are not customers or shouldnt post, order numbers are included on the most of the posts and what would you do?

Everyone talks about 3-5 day delivery and alot are goin on 2 months. Anyways I hope Im dead wrong about him but I have nothing else to base my experience on besides posts from people who I do not know or have never dealt with.

**Panzerfaust** · 06-04-2007, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by juju

Could it be other research chem businesses doing the bashing? Just wondering...

I highly doubt that.

Originally Posted by NotSmall

It's not too hard to figure out that the reason that it is predominantly new members complaining is because it is predominantly new members who order from LION.

Bingo! We have a winner.

**StevePJC** · 06-04-2007, 02:04 PM

Learn respect?!?!?! Big buckets of Bull Sh*t man!

When people order something online they EXPECT to receive their product in a reasonable amount of time. They have every right to be pissed off. Who the hell are you to tell them any different?!?!

He's having a tough time right now so what. As long as he communicates with his customers he's fine by me.

**Stock** · 06-04-2007, 02:56 PM

You are hearing about all of this here due to the fact that Lion is a sponsor/approved vendor here. No reason to get pissed because someone is having difficulties with the approved vendor and letting everyone know...Could it be handled better? Probably so, but IMO, it could have been handled better on BOTH sides.