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    Quote Originally Posted by -KJ- View Post
    What is a good BCAA? And when/why is the best time/times to take it. Not really a question just some advice im looking for...

    Ive heard alot about Xtend but what else.
    Also cannot get purple wrath around me anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KJ- View Post
    What is a good BCAA? And when/why is the best time/times to take it. Not really a question just some advice im looking for...

    Ive heard alot about Xtend but what else.
    Also cannot get purple wrath around me anywhere.

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    I like Purple Wraath, but since you can't get it - can you get Xtend? It's also very good, no need to look into anything else IMO. Modern BCAA by USP Labs is ok but I don't like the texture... very powdery/puffy... and mixes too frothy imo. Purple Wraath is gritty and I actually prefer it that way.

    Before and after fasted cardio is a great time. Obviously if you need to train fasted for some reason, that's another. If you can't eat for extended periods of time but can get in BCAA's, that's not a bad thing.

    Personally, I take them 2x daily, morning and night, regardless of any of the above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    I like Purple Wraath, but since you can't get it - can you get Xtend? It's also very good, no need to look into anything else IMO. Modern BCAA by USP Labs is ok but I don't like the texture... very powdery/puffy... and mixes too frothy imo. Purple Wraath is gritty and I actually prefer it that way.

    Before and after fasted cardio is a great time. Obviously if you need to train fasted for some reason, that's another. If you can't eat for extended periods of time but can get in BCAA's, that's not a bad thing.

    Personally, I take them 2x daily, morning and night, regardless of any of the above.
    Cheers bro. Think i will go with Xtend and maybe morning, night and intra WO.

    Also do you add the BCAA's to your caloric intake??

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    Quote Originally Posted by -KJ- View Post
    Also do you add the BCAA's to your caloric intake??
    Nah, I don't. I'm anal, but not THAT anal.

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    GBrice, what are these reds and greens? who should be taking them? and when (time of day)? Thx much!!!

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    Creatine while cutting (especially when getting down to the single digits) a bad thing considering the added water retention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pepper View Post
    Creatine while cutting (especially when getting down to the single digits) a bad thing considering the added water retention?
    I can't answer personally as I don't take creatine, other than what's already mixed into my preworkout supplements.

    Since water retention is a temporary thing, I say no, not a bad thing. It certainly won't hurt progress, it may only skew 'perceived' progress for a few days.

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    I'm taking a weight gainer shake and will start a cycle of test e 500mg a week and dbol, do you think I should drop the weight gainer. Stats for weight gainer is 16g of fat, 106g of carbs and 72g of protein with only 5g of sugar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhabody View Post
    I'm taking a weight gainer shake and will start a cycle of test e 500mg a week and dbol, do you think I should drop the weight gainer. Stats for weight gainer is 16g of fat, 106g of carbs and 72g of protein with only 5g of sugar.
    Personally I don't think you need it, because I know you know how to eat. Having said that, if you're getting enough nutrition from whole foods and the gainer fits into your allotted macros, then go for it. Does it have alot of garbage in it though? How many of the 106g carbs is sugar?

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    Hey mate was looking at your carb cycling diet in your log. On your no carb days do u have absoultly zero carbs?

    Like I mean from everything coffee, veggie's and so on...

    And on your moderate and your carb up day what are max carbs that you won't go over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pepper View Post
    Hey mate was looking at your carb cycling diet in your log. On your no carb days do u have absoultly zero carbs?
    No starchy carbs at all, but plenty of fibrous veggies. At least that's the protocol, lol! Because cooking/storing (and eating to a lesser extent) veggies in the amount we need to consume is such a pain in the ass, I most often supplement with the green and red powders that I went into detail about on page 3.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pepper View Post
    Like I mean from everything coffee, veggie's and so on...

    And on your moderate and your carb up day what are max carbs that you won't go over?
    My moderate carb days are set at 105g carbs. I don't count down to the very last carb, but i'm certain I fall somewhere in the 100-120 range.

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    Lol I'm taking over this thread...

    When weighing food I hear people always saying to weigh it before you cook it to get your macro's. But I don't just cook one meal at a time I cook for a week of two in advance so I weigh the food individually after its cooked and divide it up into containers. As long as I'm using CK.com and selecting for example chicken breast 'cooked' and getting all my macros from that is that ok?

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    Lol I'm taking over this thread...

    When weighing food I hear people always saying to weigh it before you cook it to get your macro's. But I don't just cook one meal at a time I cook for a week of two in advance so I weigh the food individually after its cooked and divide it up into containers. As long as I'm using CK.com and selecting for example chicken breast 'cooked' and getting all my macros from that is that ok?

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    I know simple sugars should only be in my pwo shake and I should not consume them latter in the day, but I workout around 7:00pm can I have dextrose with my pwo shake around 8:30pm? I don't sleep til 12:00-1:00am.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pepper View Post
    Lol I'm taking over this thread...

    When weighing food I hear people always saying to weigh it before you cook it to get your macro's. But I don't just cook one meal at a time I cook for a week of two in advance so I weigh the food individually after its cooked and divide it up into containers. As long as I'm using CK.com and selecting for example chicken breast 'cooked' and getting all my macros from that is that ok?
    I think very few of us cook one meal at a time, considering how much and how often we eat. This can make weighing things a bit tough. I handle it like this:

    1) Let's use chicken as the example. I know that I want 6oz portions (raw), and am cooking for 5 days. So, I need 30oz raw chicken breast. I'll weigh out 30oz raw, cook it all off, then weigh again and divide by 5. Whatever that weight comes out to is the portion size I eat.

    You can do this with anything - i.e. rice, pasta, etc. Just know your starting serving size - e.g. for rice you probably wouldn't weigh it dry, but rather would measure out a serving - like 1/2 cup. So for 5 servings, measure out 2.5 cups dry. Cook it, then weigh it and divide by 5. That will give you your portion size in weight.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADO View Post
    I know simple sugars should only be in my pwo shake and I should not consume them latter in the day, but I workout around 7:00pm can I have dextrose with my pwo shake around 8:30pm? I don't sleep til 12:00-1:00am.

    Thanks
    I've given my thoughts on simple carbs/sugars on page 2 of this thread, post #52 in response to Baseline's question. Linked below for your convenience.

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...2#.TqheRpviHBI

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    Thank you sir.

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    Holy crap glad I just read these 4 pages...

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    Hey GB already up to page 4! I see dr pepper posting more on this thread than you lol

    Quick question..

    I noticed in the shop the other day in the oat section there was oat bran. Never noticed it before. I had a look and the macros were different. Slightly higher in protein and less in carbs per 100g. Is it the same as oats? Is this a good source of carb?
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    The doc likes to learn! :-)

    And there's no better than GB to be learning from...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pepper View Post
    The doc likes to learn! :-)

    And there's no better than GB to be learning from...
    That's true (:

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    Quote Originally Posted by RotorHead View Post
    Holy crap glad I just read these 4 pages...
    Glad you found them useful bro!

    Quote Originally Posted by boxa06 View Post
    Hey GB already up to page 4! I see dr pepper posting more on this thread than you lol

    Quick question..

    I noticed in the shop the other day in the oat section there was oat bran. Never noticed it before. I had a look and the macros were different. Slightly higher in protein and less in carbs per 100g. Is it the same as oats? Is this a good source of carb?
    Oat bran is the outer husk of the oat grain. It's usually lost during the milling process - which sucks because it contains a good amount of fiber and minerals. When the husk is left on any grain, it is considered 'whole grain' (makes sense, right?!). Think of brown rice vs. white rice. Brown rice is the rice grain with the husk left intact.

    I haven't seen rice bran sold by itself, but as you said oat bran is, and it's a very good source of fiber/carbs, so feel free to eat up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pepper View Post
    The doc likes to learn! :-)

    And there's no better than GB to be learning from...
    Quote Originally Posted by boxa06 View Post
    That's true (:
    Meh, not really... but thanks guys!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    Glad you found them useful bro!



    Oat bran is the outer husk of the oat grain. It's usually lost during the milling process - which sucks because it contains a good amount of fiber and minerals. When the husk is left on any grain, it is considered 'whole grain' (makes sense, right?!). Think of brown rice vs. white rice. Brown rice is the rice grain with the husk left intact.

    I haven't seen rice bran sold by itself, but as you said oat bran is, and it's a very good source of fiber/carbs, so feel free to eat up.





    Meh, not really... but thanks guys!!!
    Thanks GB! I'll be throwing in some oat bran every now and then (:

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    Anyone ask your opinion on diet soda yet? My previous diet coach had me drinking black coffee and unsweetened tea, but didn't like artificial sweeteners. So, the rule was no diet soda. I avoided it for months, but started drinking it a few days ago and found that it helps give me energy during the day that my high protein diet doesn't.

    She discouraged me from artificial sweeteners because it causes an increase in appetite in some people; something I didn't need as I am cutting.

    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    Anyone ask your opinion on diet soda yet? My previous diet coach had me drinking black coffee and unsweetened tea, but didn't like artificial sweeteners. So, the rule was no diet soda. I avoided it for months, but started drinking it a few days ago and found that it helps give me energy during the day that my high protein diet doesn't.

    She discouraged me from artificial sweeteners because it causes an increase in appetite in some people; something I didn't need as I am cutting.

    Thoughts?
    From a fat gain/loss standpoint? No problem with diet soda, artificial sweeteners, etc. Maybe what she told you has some truth, but it all comes down to discipline. I will do better getting something I like (sweet) vs. cutting it out completely and craving it. In other words, if you can satisfy your sweet tooth with a sugar free sweetener, then I think that benefit outweighs any potential negatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    From a fat gain/loss standpoint? No problem with diet soda, artificial sweeteners, etc. Maybe what she told you has some truth, but it all comes down to discipline. I will do better getting something I like (sweet) vs. cutting it out completely and craving it. In other words, if you can satisfy your sweet tooth with a sugar free sweetener, then I think that benefit outweighs any potential negatives.
    Good, because I have been drinking, like, four sodas a day and I LIKE IT! It doesn't seem to make me more hungry, but then again, I eat according to a schedule, not my whims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas View Post
    Good, because I have been drinking, like, four sodas a day and I LIKE IT! It doesn't seem to make me more hungry, but then again, I eat according to a schedule, not my whims.
    I try to stick with water as my only drink as it's the only way I'll even come close to getting an adequate amount. However, I do usually have 1 diet root beer/day.

    If I were more conscientious about my water intake and got enough in no matter what, i'd probably have a few diet sodas/day without even thinking twice.

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    Also, I eat alot of rice to. Whats the difference between say, Brown rice and Minute brown rice?

    Another one!! What about hamburger helper? I buy the whole grain type sometimes.

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    I like to eat my tuna with crackers. Are ritz crackers ok? I also like regular saltines.

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    hey g.

    to come off keto properly

    how do you best approach this?

    introducing carbs slowly?

    carb cycling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RotorHead View Post
    I like to eat my tuna with crackers. Are ritz crackers ok? I also like regular saltines.
    Neither would be a part of my diet, especially Ritz.

    Quote Originally Posted by RotorHead View Post
    Also, I eat alot of rice to. Whats the difference between say, Brown rice and Minute brown rice?
    Minute brown rice is parboiled... i.e. it's semi cooked so you don't have to spend 20 minutes cooking rice. Tbh, I don't know if that takes away from the nutritional content, but then again who is really eating brown rice as a source of nutrition. I mean, it's your carb source, we have veggies to give us nutrition.

    Quote Originally Posted by RotorHead View Post
    Another one!! What about hamburger helper? I buy the whole grain type sometimes.
    More processed crap. You won't find it in my house these days. I used to eat it all the time. I also used to be 255lbs with a 42 inch waist. Nowadays, I make my own healthy version - and it tastes surprisingly like HH imo!

    Quote Originally Posted by t-gunz View Post
    hey g.

    to come off keto properly

    how do you best approach this?

    introducing carbs slowly?

    carb cycling?
    Solid question T!

    Maybe it's just be being overly anal as i'm carb sensitive, but I definitely introduce slowly... and systematically.

    I'd start with up to a week of veggies only. The next week i'd add in a piece of fruit/day for 2-3 days, then a complex carb meal on top of that. So by the end of week 2, you're eating lots of veggies, a piece of fruit and a complex carb.

    By week 3 you can start getting back to 'normal', whatever that may be for each individual.

    Note this isn't a 'right or wrong', this is just what I have done to avoid any type of carb system overload.

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    If i were to use a blend of prop tren and mast, would it be wrong to end the cycle and go directly into PCT or should i buy some prop separately and continue for 1 week or so just with it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimmySidewalk View Post
    If i were to use a blend of prop tren and mast, would it be wrong to end the cycle and go directly into PCT or should i buy some prop separately and continue for 1 week or so just with it ?
    I don't think it's really a matter of right or wrong, just a matter of preference. Alot of guys prefer to run test alone a bit longer than the other compounds they're running... like a taper down effect. I'll be doing the same.

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    ^^ no worries bro. Like I said, it really just comes down to how hardcore you wanna be. Agreed, they are better than potato chips for instance. There is always something better though. For example, rice cakes are processed, but they're generally 'better' than most crackers.

    None of the above are foods you'd likely find on the diet of a body builder going into contest prep, but if you don't plan to step on a stage, and don't really put on fat, then you probably don't need to sweat this. Hitting your macros in conjunction with your current goal, whatever that may be, is what's most important imo.

    As for a grocery list - check out Jimmyinkedup's sticky - http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t#.TqyVy5viHBI

    This will give you a good list of foods to go by, as well as convenient macro nutrient info. Hope this helps!

    PS - feel free to PM me with pics if you want. They will of course remain private between us.

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    I picked up Chromium Picolinate and L-Glutamine to try to help sugar cravings at night(my hardest time). Do they really work and is there anything else to help curb the cravings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Failure View Post
    I picked up Chromium Picolinate and L-Glutamine to try to help sugar cravings at night(my hardest time). Do they really work and is there anything else to help curb the cravings?
    I don't supplement L-Glutamine, and use Chromium Polynicotinate... but not for curbing sugar cravings.

    How about something sweet right before bed? Lately i've been doing 1/2 cup cottage cheese, 1 scoop chocolate protein powder, 1 packet splenda, a splash of fat free half and half, and a tsp of natty PB. It's like a snack right before bed, and gives me my sugar/sweet fix.

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    When carb cycling. On your low carbs days do u up your protein and fat to meet your daily calorie intake or is it just minuses off your your daily cals and that's it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Pepper View Post
    When carb cycling. On your low carbs days do u up your protein and fat to meet your daily calorie intake or is it just minuses off your your daily cals and that's it?
    Nope, protein and fats stay the same. So cycling my carbs also creates a calorie cycling effect by default.

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    I am trying to be as hard core as possible with my diet I want my bf to be single digits. But would like to increase some size if possible. My diet egg whites 6 oz fat free milk. Usually one table spoon ground flaxseed. Then I eat about every two hrs chicken a few almonds and take a pre wk out shake 25g protein with 1/4 cup oats. People 50g protein with 1/2 cup oats. And two scoopshrs flazseed. Then rest of day back to chicken or steak eggs. Few peanuts and rain's that come in my nut mix. Bed 1/2 fat free cottage cheese and 40s g shake. What should I wk on or consider. Just started with the fish oil. Sorry forgot my spinach and brochure r the two greens I love and eat daily

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    Quote Originally Posted by gearbox View Post
    I am trying to be as hard core as possible with my diet I want my bf to be single digits. But would like to increase some size if possible. My diet egg whites 6 oz fat free milk. Usually one table spoon ground flaxseed. Then I eat about every two hrs chicken a few almonds and take a pre wk out shake 25g protein with 1/4 cup oats. People 50g protein with 1/2 cup oats. And two scoopshrs flazseed. Then rest of day back to chicken or steak eggs. Few peanuts and rain's that come in my nut mix. Bed 1/2 fat free cottage cheese and 40s g shake. What should I wk on or consider. Just started with the fish oil. Sorry forgot my spinach and brochure r the two greens I love and eat daily
    Noted... thx for the info lol!

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    Gb- no words Od advice or something I am doing wrong. I weight 165 should I do 10g of fish oil daily. More or less??

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