?'s on SARMs and s4 from AR-R

**Oakleys** · 01-19-2010, 10:09 PM

I see this product becoming very popular.

Are the results really that comparable to test?

**tballz** · 01-19-2010, 10:18 PM

You won't get the same results as test. But people have shown to have strength gains and loss of fat. There are some logs on here about about it. Check out Bass's log My SARMs S4 Log

**Oakleys** · 01-19-2010, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by tballz

You won't get the same results as test. But people have shown to have strength gains and loss of fat. There are some logs on here about about it. Check out Bass's log My SARMs S4 Log

Cool thanks!

**toothache** · 01-20-2010, 09:46 AM

Yea, Oakleys check out Bass's log. Everything you need to know about dosage and positive/negative side effects.

**bass** · 01-20-2010, 11:04 AM

Oakleys, i couldn’t' respond to you email for some reason, but i like to make a correction, i ran S4 for 6 weeks not 8 weeks, my mistake sorry...

**Oakleys** · 01-20-2010, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by bass

Oakleys, i couldn’t' respond to you email for some reason, but i like to make a correction, i ran S4 for 6 weeks not 8 weeks, my mistake sorry...

Not a problem. Judging from your results it looks like it really cut some fat off and gave you some muscle.

Do you think it would have a very good effect on someone with say 11 - 13% body fat?

Does it increase muscle mass significantly?

**bass** · 01-20-2010, 04:12 PM

i don't see why it wouldn't work, but as far as increase in muscle i am not certain, i think losing fat and eating good is what gave me little definition. it did give me lots of strength, and that i believe what made my muscle grow bigger, because I was able to lift heavier.

**Oakleys** · 01-20-2010, 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by bass

i don't see why it wouldn't work, but as far as increase in muscle i am not certain, i think losing fat and eating good is what gave me little definition. it did give me lots of strength, and that i believe what made my muscle grow bigger, because I was able to lift heavier.

Okay thanks, and thanks again for the cool day by day you did.

**toothache** · 01-21-2010, 09:43 AM

Looks like sarms would be great for cutting. You will save and maybe even gain some muscle while losing the fat.

**bigpapabuff** · 01-25-2010, 05:18 PM

yea a lot of the logs have people gaining strength and leaning out a bit, I think a good combo would be sarms and clen .

**alphonsocino** · 01-26-2010, 07:13 AM

bass, not sure if you had the same issue with me. i sent you a PM and after that it wont let me check my PMs or send any more for some reason. wondering if you got it and had any advice for me.

**Oakleys** · 01-26-2010, 03:59 PM

I'd like to try a S4 AND clen cycle, but I don't want to be a test dummy for it lol

**tballz** · 01-26-2010, 04:00 PM

Originally Posted by Oakleys

I'd like to try a S4 AND clen cycle, but I don't want to be a test dummy for it lol

Go for it.

**Oakleys** · 01-26-2010, 04:15 PM

Lol, I don't think it would be that bad. Just do the dosages right.

**tballz** · 01-26-2010, 04:16 PM

Right on...keep the SARMs at 25-50mg/day and clen around 75-100mcg/day lower if needed or raise if you think you can take it.

**alphonsocino** · 01-26-2010, 04:59 PM

Thanks for the advice, Bass. btw Oakleys...im about to be a test dummy for S4 and Clen so youre not gonna be alone. i think im going to do 90mg a day of S4 (3x 30mg) and 75 of the clen (3x 25) see how this goes...haha

**lifterjaydawg** · 01-26-2010, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by tballz

Right on...keep the SARMs at 25-50mg/day and clen around 75-100mcg/day lower if needed or raise if you think you can take it.

that combo should definitely show some great results, and the dose here looks perfect.

**alphonsocino** · 01-26-2010, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by lifterjaydawg

that combo should definitely show some great results, and the dose here looks perfect.

you think that would be the perfect dose? i was reading that people didnt really find results until they got into higher doses of sarm like about 100mg. im open to advice from experienced users. i just want to get the maximum benefit of the sarm while utilizing the fat burning properties of both.

**Oakleys** · 01-26-2010, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by alphonsocino

you think that would be the perfect dose? i was reading that people didnt really find results until they got into higher doses of sarm like about 100mg. im open to advice from experienced users. i just want to get the maximum benefit of the sarm while utilizing the fat burning properties of both.

No, its best to start low and work your way up.

You never know how your body will react to it. I may react very well on 50mg, who knows.

**Oakleys** · 01-26-2010, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by alphonsocino

Thanks for the advice, Bass. btw Oakleys...im about to be a test dummy for S4 and Clen so youre not gonna be alone. i think im going to do 90mg a day of S4 (3x 30mg) and 75 of the clen (3x 25) see how this goes...haha

Please be careful with starting at such a high dose of S4.

Check out 'Bass' thread log. Its IMO the best way to do it.

**alphonsocino** · 01-26-2010, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Oakleys

Please be careful with starting at such a high dose of S4.

Check out 'Bass' thread log. Its IMO the best way to do it.

definitely. i didnt mean to make it seem like i was going to start out right at that full dose. i should have said that was going to be the dose that i planned on using after getting it in my system and seeing how i react. any supplement i use i do that for. my bad.

**MONEY AND MASS** · 01-26-2010, 09:19 PM

whats comming off of s4 like?

**Oakleys** · 01-26-2010, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by alphonsocino

definitely. i didnt mean to make it seem like i was going to start out right at that full dose. i should have said that was going to be the dose that i planned on using after getting it in my system and seeing how i react. any supplement i use i do that for. my bad.

Oh its cool man. Just lookin' out for ya.

**bass** · 01-26-2010, 11:44 PM

i started at 75mgs per day for one week then went up to 100, then few weeks later i raised it to 150 but that didn't do anything except made my vision worse, the best results i got was at 100mgs per day. next time i run it I’ll start at 100mgs per day and not waste time.

**alphonsocino** · 01-27-2010, 08:14 AM

ordering on friday. ill keep a log of my bf %, weight, waist size, and maybe bench strength. hopefully updating once a week. ill also list any sides i have.

**bass** · 01-27-2010, 10:25 AM

good luck...

**tballz** · 01-27-2010, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by alphonsocino

ordering on friday. ill keep a log of my bf %, weight, waist size, and maybe bench strength. hopefully updating once a week. ill also list any sides i have.

Definitely keep us posted.

**smegs** · 02-10-2010, 07:11 AM

dont forget, this product from lion is not ostarine, its anadrine, IMO waste of time/money/health

**Blaster22** · 02-10-2010, 06:36 PM

I'm currently running Sarms but it's from a different sponsor so I decided not to log it out of respect for Lion. I am on day 14 at .50ml measured with a syringe and have no sides. My strength has gone up and bf has started to drop. I believe the reason for no sides is it is truly Ostarine. I believe Lion will eventually get Ostarine and might be less prone to sides. (some people still get the vision but it doesn't sound as bad as with Andarine.) I was sceptical at first but I'm turning into a believer. Not the pump you get on AAS but still strength and endurance gains. If you want to see my log its at EF, just search my name. Alot of people are logging it there.