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08-24-2010, 04:48 PM #1Junior Member
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Chuckle's Ostarine Log (Uniquemicals)
Got my Ostarine from Uniquemicals today. yay! I've been trying to track this stuff down for a while, so I hope it's legit.
The bottle looks decent enough (don't judge a book by its cover though, lol). The glass dropper it comes with doesn't have any markings on it, which might make measuring tough. I had another dropper lying around though, and it seems that the Uniquemical's one holds about a ml when it's full (which is only about halfway up the dropper). 50mg/ml seems like a lot given that 3mg a day produced significant results in the clinical trials, but what people use to stop old people from losing muscle is probably going to be a lot different from the fitness's community's goal. I think I'll start with 25mg a day and see if any sides show up and maybe ramp it up from there if things look good.
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183.8 lbs
Past use: Never cycled anything, used S-4 for about 2 months until I decided the vision sides weren't worth it.
Starting dose: Ostarine 25mg/day
I hurt my finger playing sports about a five weeks ago and had to stop lifting as I kept reinjuring it. I've put on a bit of pudge and will be working with a pt to get back in shape. The plan is to cut my bf% down a bit while I'm adjusting to working out again, then bump up the calories as my strength comes back and I can start lifting with enough intensity to put those calories to good use and start packing on some more muscle.
Current calories: 2300 (controlled mealplan. gotta weigh everything. sucks)
First dose---
It's a clear liquid, but definitely not water. Stuff tastes like a hot garlicky oyster sauce, and not in the Rachel Ray kind of way. Leaves a warm tingling sensation that takes a ton of water to wash down. Next time I'll try to drop it as close to my throat as I can, then chug a tall glass of water.
I hope to keep this log pretty updated, but I'm always busy with stuff, so well who knows.
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08-26-2010, 12:38 AM #2New Member
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Hope the stuff is real...I've been trying to decide if the sides of S-4 are worth it. Really don't wanna mess with my eyes. Good luck bro!
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08-26-2010, 06:41 AM #3Banned
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5 on 2 off for the eyes
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08-26-2010, 10:50 AM #4New Member
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Thx.
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08-26-2010, 02:31 PM #5
how sure are you its Ostarine and not Andarine? i look forward to following your log.
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08-26-2010, 02:44 PM #6
Never heard of that company. That's all they sell is ostarine and andarine?
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08-26-2010, 07:55 PM #7Junior Member
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The site makes it pretty darn clear they're selling Ostarine and not Andarine, and there's a certificate of analysis for Ostarine from an analysis place. But with just the site's assurances, I can't be 100% sure. Still, I'm hopeful. I've been trying to track down Ostarine for a while, and I've got my fingers crossed that this is legit. I figured they could have just taken my money and given me excuses until they hopped the border, so the fact that they shipped Ostarine out to me is positive.
Had a good upper workout today. I'm still getting back in shape, but seem to be quickly getting back into the swing of things. Got a nice pump and looked pretty dry in the morning. Was really thirsty and must have downed about 3 liters of water in the hours after my workout. Still drinking a decent bit. Feel ok though. No vision sides or any other noticeable sides as of yet.
I think I'll probably be seeing some decent fatloss in the next week or so, given my current calories. There's no way any steroid or SARM is just going to make me suddenly explode into a hulking manbeast, and I'm well aware of the placebo effect, so I'm going to be skeptical that any short-term changes I see are anything more than temporary fluctuations or my imagination.
I'll keep y'all posted.
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08-28-2010, 12:10 PM #9Big Pimp
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is Ostarine detecable?
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08-29-2010, 03:37 AM #11Junior Member
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well, first someone would have to notify GTX, then GTX would have to care. Then they could send a cease and desist letter. depending on the way the company is incorporated (where they are) offshore webhosting etc... I doubt GTX will ever do anything.
Clearly many of us are up in the air about the legitimacy of the product. You make a point that the screen name and seeming company owner share similarity. You point out your friends with some chinese guy that is the SARMs supplier and you hold patent info on Osterine. However, what someone calls the product doesn't seem to be an indication of legitimacy. please provide more info on how you assume this to be fake, or don't continue to post about it being fake in this guys log.
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I'm interested to find out if this company sells legit mk-2866? The price is reasonable and I'm considering buying frim them. Xxxxxsearch seems legit but price is steep at $150 per bottle + shipping $15.
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08-30-2010, 07:04 PM #14Junior Member
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Well, I'll email them and see what they say. I don't think Ostarine is exactly the most easy to find a standard to compare to at the moment (which would explain why the COA lab didn't have one), but Selleck might be able to provide now...if someone wants to cough up $500 for 10 mg!
Anyways, workouts have been going great. I'm back to my pre-injury weight levels on most lifts, and even had a personal best on my deadlifts (245 for 8 reps, it's good for me!) No DOMS, just a little tightness in the area I work the day after.
I'm looking a bit tighter and leaner. I usually store some fat on my chest at higher BF levels, but my moobs are looking a lot less, well, mooby, and my previously puffy nipples are nice and tight. Shoulders look a bit more defined, I don't know if that's more muscle or less fat, but they feel a lot denser.
No sides yet. I am pretty thirsty, especially after a workout. The Ostarine also tastes pretty nasty going down, and the taste still lingers for a while even if I gulp down a bunch of water with it. My appetite is WAY up. I don't know if it's the Ostarine, or the fact that I've never restricted calories when I'm lifting heavily. I'm scraping the coagulated chicken breast drizzlings off of my Foreman and eating tons of broccoli (I can have all the fibrous veggies I want) just to stay satisfied.Hopefully my PT will bump up my calories soon.
I weigh in on Wednesday for my PT- I'm not supposed to weigh myself or take measurements until I give him feedback on my progress and meal adherence. I'll keep you guys updated for that.
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08-31-2010, 12:21 AM #15
look forward to the next update. I want to know if the Ostarine is legit,keep us posted as to your progress..........
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08-31-2010, 10:25 PM #16Junior Member
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Oooo they replied to my email!:
"Dear ********,
Thank you for your inquiry and concerns. Verifying the purity of compounds is of the utmost importance to any researcher. Please see the attached H-NMR and HPLC reports provided by our manufacturer. This, in conjunction with the HPLC-based COA completed by an independent analysis lab should be sufficient to confirm our product's purity and identity as Ostarine. We hope it addresses your concerns regarding our quality product.
Please don't hesitate to ask if you have any other questions. We hope you are satisfied with your purchase!
Cheers,
The Uniquemicals Team
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So they sent me two pdfs. One's the H-NMR and one's the HPLC. Don't have much experience reading these things... it looks legit with the "100%s" and the picture of the molecule that matches the Ostarine on the Uniquemicals site and the Ostarine patent info. Lol, any chemistry PHDs around?
I uploaded the files here: http://www.mediafire.com/?x3zxglzcub453
So at this point I'm pretty sold that I'm taking Ostarine now, unless someone has some brilliant insight that I'm missing (anyone?). Seems like these people are pretty fast and efficient with shipping and know their stuff. Hopefully they don't get shut down.
I'll keep you updated with my own progress.
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09-01-2010, 06:21 AM #17Big Pimp
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Are you sure you are not Charles Mcgee?
Unless your business advertises on a reputable forum then everyone should stay away.
Is well known that most scammers spam and plug their websites/products on the forums hoping to gain business and scam people , if they were truly legit they will pay sponsor fees and advertise the right way.
I have been around the forums for the last 7 years and I have seen this happen one too many times.
Go with the trusted companies.Last edited by Carlito B; 09-01-2010 at 08:25 AM.
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09-02-2010, 01:57 AM #19Banned
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lets just read the log guys. we'll be able to tell if its ostarine by its effects on him
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09-02-2010, 05:16 PM #20Junior Member
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Dude, sorry, but I think I know my name. I don't know who that guy is, but yeah, my s/n doesn't have anything to do with my name. I think you're totally right that some companies seem to be out to scam people with bogus stuff. I've been trying to find Ostarine forever and am taking a chance here with an unknown company. Hopefully we'll be able to figure out whether this is legit or not in time.
I weighed in yesterday at 182.0 lbs, down 1.8lbs from a week ago. I dropped half an inch around my waist, while my arms and quads remained the same (not exactly an expert with the measuring tape). So I'm definitely dropping fat and keeping my muscle mass. Definitely looking a lot more vascular, especially in the upper arm and even a tiny bit in the chest (or maybe that's just because I'm so pale, lol). My chest is feeling denser and less fatty (my chest measurement dropped a bit too). How much of this is the Ostarine? Who knows. My prescribed meal plan at ~2300 calories probably puts me at a slight deficit, considering how hungry I am after a workout. Not doing any cardio right now. I'm feeling good and lifting hard, so we'll see how this goes.
My PT is pleased, but wants to keep me at my current calories for at least another week. Says I'm "recomping" and should consider my weight as a factor among many when looking at progress. I kind of wish he'd bump up my calories now so I really can get bulking, but I hired him to take the guesswork out of clean bulking, so I'll listen to him.
Haven't noticed any sides, aside from maybe thirst. Stuff tastes pretty awful, but I throw it as far back on my tongue as possible to minimize the taste/heat. I think I'll get some blood work done in a few weeks just to make sure my liver hasn't dissolved. The patent says Ostarine also lowers cholesterol, so if that comes in low it could be a good sign.
I'll keep you posted.
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09-02-2010, 08:11 PM #21New Member
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I'm curious to what the bottle says. Does it say 30ml 50mg/ml? I think that might be wrong.
I mean if so, that's twice the potency of other ostarines I have seen. Others only offer 25mg/ml and the daily suggested dosage is 12.5mg/day.
That's the one Chucklesmcgee got only requires 1/4 of a ml per day.
Any insights?
Any sides to report Chucklesmcgee?
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09-06-2010, 06:21 PM #22Junior Member
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Sides? Well, I'm not dead yet. I haven't noticed any sides as of yet, aside from maybe increased thirst and appetite. Balls are plump and pleasantly round. I'm very acne prone, but haven't seen any flareups. No problems with night vision, unlike with the S4.
I don't think anyone knows the optimal dose yet. My bottle says 50mg/ml. Elderly people built muscle with 3mg/day, but if Ostarine dosage is anything like steroids , the optimal dosage for maximum effects is several times what is used for therapeutic purposes. I'm totally guessing at 25mg/day. I may bump it up in a bit just to play around.
As for my log:
Been out and about this weekend to visit some friends and my gf. The gym there was closed when I visited (sadness) and my gym was closed today for labor day, meaning I've missed two consecutive workouts, very depressing.
My chest and shoulders are definitely looking bigger, and my friends who haven't seen me in about 3 months said I looked bigger as well. Gf was all over my chest .
So yeah, I think I've been pleased with the effects I'm seeing. I'm getting lean so fast it feels unnatural. Maybe it's just water balance changing or whatever, but sometimes I'm just looking so ripped it takes me a second to recognize the body in the mirror as my own. I feel like I'm keeping or putting on muscle while I'm dropping weight. My pants aren't fitting so well and I need a belt to keep some of them up.
On the flip-side, I'm just a case study of one. I'm working out hard and eating a controlled diet. Maybe the changes I'm seeing are just due to that. I think if my progress continues at an unnatural rate, it might suggest Ostarine's got something going on for it. I think as more people try it, we'll figure out whether or not it's worth it. I'm skeptical but optimistic.
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I for one want to know if *****emicals sells legit ostarine. Maybe he is Charles and may be not, but can we put this aside and determine if this is pure crap or the real deal?
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09-08-2010, 10:51 AM #26
I'm paying attention to this as well
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09-08-2010, 05:22 PM #27Junior Member
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I think the lab purity tests, HPLC and H-NMR spectra results uniquechemicals posted and sent me has me as convinced I can be, short of shelling out the cash for lab tests myself. I think, philosophically, you can never really know if any supplement or chem is what it says it is unless you test it yourself. Carlito's totally right that no matter how many tests a company produces for a chem, you can't know for sure if what they're testing is the same thing that they're putting in the bottles-whether you're buying Ostarine or Creatine. That being said, I'm pretty sure I've got real Ostarine given the progress I'm making and the ridiculous amount of analysis uniquemicals has prepared on the stuff.
Anyways, weighed in today for my PT. 180.0 pounds, down 2.0 lbs from last week- those two Chipotle cheat meals didn't hurt me that much! Lost another half inch off my waist, looking good with a 31.5 inch waist. I measured my arms as being an eighth of an inch bigger and my calves as being a quarter inch bigger, but I honestly think that's just measurement variance with the tape and how much I'm flexing. Still, definitely not losing muscle mass at this calorie level.
PT is going to bump up my calories, I think. I'll keep you posted. I feel like I can make some serious gains here if the guy would just give me some more cals.
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Logs going good. Thanks for the update. Would you say the fatloss is very noticeable and unatural? How your mood (sense of well being) and libido?
I've been in contact with this company and they've have also sent me the same documents verifying it's ostarine. But what's got me on the fence is the fact that this company had ostarine way before xxxxxsearch and xxxmx.
I mean xxxmx just started selling osta this week and the other guy is still taking pre-orders.
How much would an independent test cost?
What would make me buy in a heartbeat is if these guys were a sponsor.
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09-08-2010, 08:35 PM #29Big Pimp
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Not true, chXmx is the true innovator. Charles started his website on June and I got the sample in June , chemx waited longer because they needed to make a new batch enough to supply them and the saXXXsearch especially since they advertise on a forum with more than 350K members combined. My friend told me they sold over 100 bottles just last saturday when they started selling the ostarine and they are almost out they already got more powder coming and their chemist is preparing a new batch..YES cheXxx do have their own chemists that manufacture sarms exclusively for them.
In fact I started using ostarine 2 days ago 25mg taken once daily and I must say I am impressed, chXXx's ostarine is the real deal! In fact my friend told me they will lower prices if they have to and that nobody is going to beat their prices.
Independent test can cost from $300 to $1000 but is there is no standard you can only get the same lame CoA Charles has on his website which does not prove shit.
I doubt Lion would allow Charles to sell anything here.Last edited by Carlito B; 09-08-2010 at 08:50 PM.
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I would love to buy from chxxx but they don't take international orders. I've emailed them, they rejected my order and referred me to saxxxsearch. Saxxxsearch is quite pricey. So you see my dilemma? Charles sells it for a reasonable price, he also offer to reship it if customs got a hold of it. That's customer service. But I'm still not sure if it's the real deal.
Only time will tell and this log would help.
What kind of gains are you getting at 25mg? I have some fat deposit around the nipple area and I know osta would do me justice. Based on your past cycle, did you keep most of the gains and fat loss?
Will you be starting a log C?
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09-11-2010, 03:47 PM #31Junior Member
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So my PT bumped me up to 2800 calories (yay). I'm going with 50 mg/day now, 25mg twice a day. The half life is supposed to be 22 hours, so I should have a more than steady level in my system all day.
Is the fatloss noticeable and unnatural?
I'd say dropping 1-2lbs a week at 2300 calories with no cardio while getting stronger is pretty unnatural.The fact that my friends who hadn't seen me in a while said I looked bigger while I was in fact lighter also seems really positive. I do think I look bigger- not sure if it's my shoulders/chest getting bigger or just my waist getting smaller. If I were finishing a bulk and seriously cutting (sub 2000 cals/day with cardio) I think I'd be better able to assess the fat loss effects/muscle sparing. Honestly I'm aiming to gradually work my diet up until I hit a hypercaloric sweet spot, so that'll be a while.
I think my mood's great, generally feeling pretty positive. Libido's fine, not like I'm walking around with a hard-on all day, but Mr. Happy's quite upbeat with the gf.
I don't know how much a lab test would cost...probably a fair amount of dough, idk. I don't really know why having Ostarine before someone else would make either product more or less legit- the patent mentioned on the Uniquemicals site was published in 2007...it doesn't seem like there's any reason why Ostarine couldn't have been on the market well before now.
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I am not so much afraid of the authenticity of the stuff, but rather of possible impurities and heavy metals. Everybody knows that especially Chinese take it very easy. And today, almost everybody can create a fake lab test in Photoshop.
Some rich and reliable guy on this forum could perhaps sacrifice some money and make a lab test.
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This is my conversation with them after questioning the legitimacy of the product for the second time around. I wasn't satisfied with the documents they sent. I also ask if they would consider being a board sponsor. They'd answered all my questions so I guess I'm gonna give these guys a go???
Btw, they use DMSO/PEG solution to suspend the ostarine if that has any significance Steroidman99. I'm no chemist.
Hears what they wrote:
I wasn't quite sure what to make of in regards to the bolded sentence.
Hello xxxxxx,
We have no affiliation with the companies you mentioned. We contract our
Ostarine production through an organic synthesis laboratory used by Pfizer,
so no intermediate supplier or involvement with those that you mentioned is
necessary. The information for synthesis of Ostarine has been publicly
available for several years. Our product was actually prepared in February,
but we first needed to transition from our previous status as a supplier
for Lxon Nutrition, incorporate, design a website and brand, complete
rigorous quality control testing and package the product. Our release of
Ostarine may have forced xxxmx and SxxxxSxxxch to accelerate their debut of
Ostarine, making the similar release dates coincidental. We pride ourselves
in our ability to deliver a quality, cutting-edge product and hope to
establish ourselves as a leader in this competitive market.
We have considered becoming a forum board sponsor, but have yet to inquire
as to the rates and complete the cost-benefit analysis. As a potential
customer, do you have any suggestions as to which boards are frequented by
interested researchers? If you have any contacts which could tell us more
about board sponsorship, we'd be very interested.
Cheers,
The xxxxxemicals Team
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Ingesting small amounts of PEG is ok but ingesting any amounts of DMSO is VERY BAD NEWS for your digestive system.
This company sell their S-4 for $40 and Lion for $140, same amounts..doesn't Lion realize by these guys plugging this company on here is literally stealing $$$$ from them?Last edited by Carlito B; 09-14-2010 at 10:26 AM.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmso
"DMSO by itself has low toxicity."
http://www.gaylordchemical.com/bulletins/vignes-acs.pdf
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Thanks for the links.
Read up on the DMSO. It's a new solvent (stayed dormant since 1950ss) that's underutilized which has shown to be signficantly less toxic. There has been proven human case studies in terms of its safety. Looks like Selleck also uses DMSO in their Ostarine.
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Yeah, thanks guys, that would explain the taste. I did some googling and it looks like DMSO is pretty inert especially in ml quantities. Some people are actually selling it as a health remedy, which looks full of quackery, but I figure it shouldn't kill me.
50mg a day is going well. When I was on this much with S4 I was getting some pretty noticeable night vision issues- nothing with Ostarine.
I dropped .8 lbs, now at 179.2 lbs. I think my diet is getting closer to a hyper caloric point where I'll actually start putting on mass overall. Still, the bulk I'm putting onto my chest and shoulders is looking awesome. I'm enjoying this stuff quite well.
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Anything new with libido? I have been massively searching other forums for logs and they all are saying no effect to libido and no pct was used. One mod even ran it for five weeks at 10/10/10/15/20 and said no pct was needed. I am turning 21 soon and and don't want to mess with hpta but this is looking promising. Will be interesting to see new logs coming soon now that SS and che** are both caring it.
Viperman: Have you ordered from the same place op has or still debating it?
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