Mike Arnold Responds to my Email about MK product

[JuliusPleaser]

Here's a screen shot below. I guess I'm just one of those unlucky non-responders. I'm not gonna bash MK because it didn't do much for me; not all drugs work the same on people. The only way to find out is experiment on yourself. I will be trying peptides ipam/modGRf and MGF as my next experiment.

[jstone]

Dont waste your time with peptides, just gonwith the real deal GH. Its easily available, and probably costs less than the peptides.

[JuliusPleaser]

Pharm grade is not easily available and costs 10x more

[Ashop]

I got a few bottles of MA's sometime back and mine was some of the best MK677 I have ever used in my life. I got results on half of the suggested daily dosage. Some things you will find non responders, creatine for example. Perhaps this is the case?

[JuliusPleaser]

It has to be to case if you ask me. Perhaps my body destroys it despite it being oral? What I don't understand are the pumps and strength increases. Perhaps I only got partial benefits and my IGF didn't reflect? Either way I'm going to go with the peptides and then take bloodowork in a month again.

[GearHeaded]

just cause your IGF after 2 weeks use was not off the charts does not mean your a "non responder" .. IGF levels are only 'half the picture' in regards to natty HGH pulse,, IGF is not the be all end all.
so MANY other factors involved in blood levels of IGF .. you could be a great responder to MK677 and be getting great HGH pulses from it

[JuliusPleaser]

Perhaps, but even according to him he has seen this before. And if studies show that IGF1 increases by 61% in 6 weeks, that its safe to say it means at least 30% in 3 weeks. Being that my levels came back at 111, if they increased by 30% that means they were 78. If i had that blood before that showed that then I would know, but I don't unfortunately.

[JuliusPleaser]

I have one capsule left. Zero sides the entire time other than I woke up with a sleepy hand the first day, but that could have been because I slept on it lol.

[Windex]

Blood sugar and A1C before/after I feel like is a more accurate representation than IGF-1.

Even as someone whose on both MK677 and scripted HGH I rarely check my IGF anymore.

[Ashop]

I have one capsule left. Zero sides the entire time other than I woke up with a sleepy hand the first day, but that could have been because I slept on it lol.

My first few days on it, especially the 1st night, I literally could not stop eating. Most likely from the release of GHRELIN.

[JuliusPleaser]

Blood sugar and A1C before/after I feel like is a more accurate representation than IGF-1.

Even as someone whose on both MK677 and scripted HGH I rarely check my IGF anymore.

Hmm. I don't know anything about A1C

[JuliusPleaser]

My first few days on it, especially the 1st night, I literally could not stop eating. Most likely from the release of GHRELIN.

Yea I don't think his product is fake, it may not work on me. It's impossible for every drug to work on everyone. Perhaps I'm a slower responder? Idk. But gonna run peptides. I always wanted to try them anyway.

[jstone]

Pharm grade is not easily available and costs 10x more

Pharma gh is easily available, but you dont need it. There are lots of GH that tests to be 98% or higher in purity. Your peptides are a waste, when such good GH is abundantly available.

[almostgone]

Hmm. I don't know anything about A1C

Look at it this way, a serum glucose test gives you just a snapshot of glucose values at that moment. An A1C gives you an average over the past several months, which can be much more useful for diagnostic purposes.

[JuliusPleaser]

Look at it this way, a serum glucose test gives you just a snapshot of glucose values at that moment. An A1C gives you an average over the past several months, which can be much more useful for diagnostic purposes.

couldn't one just use a blood monitor? if their levels go down, the product is good?

[JuliusPleaser]

yes I'm aware of the sources online, I used to have my own connect to Riptropin and hygetropin black tops etc when they were actually amazing. Thing is, these companies MO seem to be thing> create an overdosed product; allow the name to catch on; give them to admins on boards; slowly lower quality until the brand vanishes. I've seen it time and time again. It's hit or miss unless you catch the brand at its peak. That's just what I've seen.

My last source which palumbo gave me where green tops that gave me IGF1 levels of 199. My source told me I needed to blast an entire vial to see lol. Ok right. I'm not saying the GH is fake, but they aren't what they claim; either becaues they are under-dosed or damaged on the way here.

[JuliusPleaser]

The way I look at it is this: What is approved by the FDA to be sold for in TRT clinics. So far its been peptides, HGH, MK 677. I had a friend take Semorelin but said it wasn't worth it. However, he experienced typical sides of good sleep and all that. His IGF1 didn't increase at all however. It just shows you how everyone reacts differently.

[GearHeaded]

couldn't one just use a blood monitor? if their levels go down, the product is good?

yes you should be using a blood glucose monitor if your using HGH or peptides. if your blood levels of fasted glucose go UP , the product is good (not down).. mk677 will likely raise your average fasted blood sugars from 10-20 points or more.
my normal blood sugar is upper 70s. when on HGH and or 25mg of MK, my blood sugars are closer to 100

and NO this is not due to insulin resistance. its due to high blood serum levels of HGH , which cause a release of stored blood sugars into the blood stream

[JuliusPleaser]

My god, I thought it was the opposite lol. Insulin drops, GH ups. Got it.

[GearHeaded]

HGH is an 'energy requiring' hormone. it cannot build and repair cells without the use of 'energy'. and glucose is the body's preferred source of energy. so when HGH is in the blood stream , glucose is also released as an energy source.. also the whole reason why HGH has some fat loss benefits, is because fatty acids are also a back up energy source. when HGH is present in the blood stream it activates lipolysis and the release of fatty acids into the blood stream as an energy source as well

[GearHeaded]

then later on in the process, when there is a hepatic output of IGF . the IGF clears excess blood sugars, as IGF is hypoglycemic like insulin itself is. where as HGH is hyperglycemic

[JuliusPleaser]

Nice to know

[almostgone]

couldn't one just use a blood monitor? if their levels go down, the product is good?

Your glucose levels should elevate. Anyway, an A1C give you a better picture of glucose levels over a period of months and checking via a glucometer gives you a snapshot of your glucose at that particular moment.

Personally, I use a glucometer, but at least annually I will pull an A1C panel to get a better picture of my overall glucose levels. Some may consider it overkill, but since my Mom was diabetic, I spend the extra $$ anyway.

Honestly, I've tried a good many of the peptides out there and barring one exceptional run with IGF-1, I prefer HGH. I'm not saying those peptides or SARMS are worthless, I just feel I get more benefit from HGH.

[jstone]

yes I'm aware of the sources online, I used to have my own connect to Riptropin and hygetropin black tops etc when they were actually amazing. Thing is, these companies MO seem to be thing> create an overdosed product; allow the name to catch on; give them to admins on boards; slowly lower quality until the brand vanishes. I've seen it time and time again. It's hit or miss unless you catch the brand at its peak. That's just what I've seen.

My last source which palumbo gave me where green tops that gave me IGF1 levels of 199. My source told me I needed to blast an entire vial to see lol. Ok right. I'm not saying the GH is fake, but they aren't what they claim; either becaues they are under-dosed or damaged on the way here.

You know the guy selling riptropin is still around selling multiple different GH products, all tested from 10iu per vial up to 20iu per vial. His quality has been consistent for a long time.