i ve been researching around on steroids alot but it is hard to compare them as many different websites portray steroids differnetly. some say sust is the best others say opt for hgh or some say dbol is good
i ve been researching around on steroids alot but it is hard to compare them as many different websites portray steroids differnetly. some say sust is the best others say opt for hgh or some say dbol is good
That would be testosterone......... safer then test would be anavar but it's not cheap
what type of testosterone cuz on the website there are several listedOriginally Posted by TheMudMan
CYPIONATE , ENANTHATE or HEPTYLATE?
You will find a lot of great info if you do a search for first cycles. Also you can go over to the profile form and read up and all the compounds.
Originally Posted by gsxxr
that i did, but its hard to compare them like that
test enanthate
Originally Posted by BlInDsIdE
thanx for specifying
Test is test but the easiest to use is a single ester and long acting test like Enan or Cyp.
Originally Posted by binny
OK then like the other said. A single ester is the best to run for a first cycle. It will let you lear how to inject and how you will recact to the compound.
thanx that clears it up......so what u guys mean is that i should not go any hardcore stuff as a beginner rather try some light stuff to get an idea !Originally Posted by gsxxr
No one said that Test was not hard core. Most everyone starts with TestOriginally Posted by binny
only. There are side effects with all. You have to know where they are coming from to make corrections. Do a test cycle first. If you decide on
doing a second cycle you will no doubt know a lot more and have a lot more experience.
Same thing, heptalate is just what the French called enanthate.Originally Posted by binny
how much in terms of tablets or liquid one needs to buy in order to last a 10 week cycle??
you would need 20ml total for a ten week cycle!
I got a feeling there are gonna be many more questions.
good info man, i was wondering wtf Heptalate wasOriginally Posted by big k.l.g
yea 20ml of what mg per ml??? I think it needs to be 250mg/ml 2 x week right. Thats what I'm gonna run. I know you can get test e in 200mg/ml also is what I am saying...CD
its better to ask questions , isnt what this forum is about, to help?Originally Posted by Ufa
Originally Posted by binny
yes ask them all before you start.
use the search button man. The forums are here to walk you through everyones experiences so you can learn from them. Someone at one point in time has asked the questions you are asking. Just takes some time.
yep, get a couple bottles of test and your good to go for a first cycle
Cheapest: dianabol
safest: anavar, turinabol, primobolan
Effective: every compund is effective if you train right and have diet in check.
But most effective is highdoses of anything, stacks with 3-4compunds.
I say: Be natural and save money a while longer if you want "safe" cycle.
how do you guys rate sust 250 for a beginer
ITS SHIT BROOriginally Posted by binny
You have to inject it every other day to make it work proper and its so low dosage in the 4-esters that i laught when people use it.
4-esters are good if they were high, not low.
the thought of injecting it every other day is not very pleasingOriginally Posted by Kappa Capo
Originally Posted by binny
What i wouldnt do to get ahold of Heptylate..... only used it once.. and never heard about it again.. kinda makes me sad.. hehahah
what were ur gains like?/Originally Posted by LivinItUp
Just get some enth it is the same thang.Originally Posted by LivinItUp
Tbol is cheap effective and safe..doesnt fully shut you down or aromitize plus dht coversion is not high like test iether for those with mbp
not sure where you get your gear from, but you really consider dbol cheapest? i'm no longer bothering with orals cause my guy wants too much for them compared to his injects. well, that and i like having a fully-functional liver.Originally Posted by Kappa Capo
anyway, as far as cheapest for me, it's definitely the tests (cyp, enan, prop). as far as safest, most the stuff is pretty safe as long as you do your research first and know what you're getting into. in some ways, this stuff can actually be good for you. does the good outweight the bad? that's for another thread.
as far as the most effective, that's all about putting together an effective cycle. a great comparison chart can be found on the steroid.com main site by clicking the "steroid effectiveness chart". that should give you all the info you need as far as effectiveness, and use the forums section named "steroid profiles" to find out more about each specific one.
I disagree that it is shit. I have used it before injecting twice a week and had good gains from it. I do prefer single esters over and it is quite expensive but like I said I don't think it is shit.Originally Posted by Kappa Capo
Same here. it can be good stuff, if you use it rightOriginally Posted by joeben22
You must not look at 500mg test-e and 500 sust. then, yes it has less long acting esters.
If you take 750 sust, you still have the gains from the long acting esters, and a good gain from the short acting.
This will say, Sust kicks in sooner, and lasts longer.
and he. some ppl have great gains on 250mg of test-e per week. so it all depends on you
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to kappa: test is test... no matter what the ester it is attached at.. all what counts is the actual testosterone in the blood.. the only thing the ester does is set the speed its released into the circulation.. so I dont agree with ur logic that the diffrent esters should be at high concentrtions
cheapest without a question ($/mg) is test prop... especially if homebrewing.
Cost v.s. sides ratio.. test comes out king again.
YOU CANT COMPARE IT WHEN THE DOSES ARENT THE SAME MF.Originally Posted by stupidhippo
Dont talk shit bro, ive done them all and ive done em big, i know the mf diffrence between the shit.
im on a diet so sorry if i sound harsh.
i personally dont know why someone would say sust is shit........i know several people using it.....all making gains......i prefer test e
hey slow down there bro.....each is entitled to his/her opinion............Originally Posted by Kappa Capo
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