What kinda PCT would I need for this cycle??

[LAPhattie]

ugl Primo for 8wks (w/ maybe a lil clen/t3 during)
1. 150
2. 250
3. 300
4. 300
5. 300
6. 300
7. 250
8. 150

Do I even need pct for this? I heard primo is more effective at 600mg/wk, but I am trying to lose about 18lbs while on it.

[MartyMcFly]

Tring to lose weight? Diet not aas

[Kale]

You can lose that with a decent diet and workout program. You dont need the juice

[LAPhattie]

yes but primo supposedly has the uncanny ability to hold mass on a low cal diet. so i figured i could lose the 14lbs while on primo and hold more muscle or harden up.

Im 5'10-182lbs - goal is: 168lbs

[LAPhattie]

ok well the point isnt my goals as much as whether or not I need PCT for that light of a cycle?

[Kale]

you want to go down to 168lbs at 5'10" ? How the fvck does that work ?, I am 5'8" and I am trying to get from 185 to 200lbs. And yes you need to do PCT even at that dose. The cycle sucks to by the way. Where is the Test ? and you need to read this http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199807

[LAPhattie]

I have read that, he says "Generally, I think injectable primo needs to be used at a dose of at least 350mgs/week"... so thats how I came up w/ 300. plus my body reacts suuuper crazy to anything i put in it, advil, xanax, anything, i have really responsive receptors.

so what kinda pct do u recommend I do on my "sucky" cycle? I have to be 168 for competition/work reasons. Im not trying to get big, just lean/cut/hard.

[Kale]

I have read that, he says "Generally, I think injectable primo needs to be used at a dose of at least 350mgs/week"... so thats how I came up w/ 300. plus my body reacts suuuper crazy to anything i put in it, advil, xanax, anything, i have really responsive receptors.

so what kinda pct do u recommend I do on my "sucky" cycle? I have to be 168 for competition/work reasons. Im not trying to get big, just lean/cut/hard.

Have you ever done PCT before ?

[juiceboxxx]

LOL, you want to lose 18 lbs ? you can do that probably with 45 mins of cardio/ed for 3 months (6 lbs a month) and touch your diet up (watch what you eat) this isnt rocket science broo!!

Hit the diet & training forum - RESEARCH!! on cutting

You dont need aas simple. Save your self the money, side effects, etc.....

[LAPhattie]

ok, well say im down to my ideal weight and I want to DO THIS CYCLE to harden up ... will soemone give me a legitamate PCT suggestion for this cycle above??? please???

[Kale]

ok, well say im down to my ideal weight and I want to DO THIS CYCLE to harden up ... will soemone give me a legitamate PCT suggestion for this cycle above??? please???

Answer my question

[SMAN12b]

ok, well say im down to my ideal weight and I want to DO THIS CYCLE to harden up ... will soemone give me a legitamate PCT suggestion for this cycle above??? please???

Not trying to be a smart a$$ here LAPhattie, BUT there is a specific forum for PCT and IF you would do a little research YOURSELF you might find everything you need to know has already been asked and answered there....Just a thought
Good luck with your cycle, keep us posted on the progress if you decide to go with it. BTW what kind of competition do you need to get down so much weight for?..

[SMAN12b]

BD Primo for 8wks (w/ maybe a lil clen/t3 during)
1. 150
2. 250
3. 300
4. 300
5. 300
6. 300
7. 250
8. 150

Do I even need pct for this? I heard primo is more effective at 600mg/wk, but I am trying to lose about 18lbs while on it.

ALSO, it helps to know more STATS on you if you want someone to be able to give better advice for you....age, cycle history, length of weight traiining, type of training, diet etc....all this info will help....THANKS

[MartyMcFly]

ok, well say im down to my ideal weight and I want to DO THIS CYCLE to harden up ... will soemone give me a legitamate PCT suggestion for this cycle above??? please???

You will be too small for aas then. Eat and train more to build a base then use.

[LAPhattie]

Answer my question

I did a lil novaldex yrs back when I did a winny cycle. I havent touch aas in lil over 5 yrs cuz Ive been on Paxil and didnt know if it was ok. Ive probably done 3 cycles.

first one was staight Deca (noradren 50)

next was Deca/Eq

third was Deca/Winny (the one that did the best for me)

I respond really well to aas but I just dont wanna be as big as I did when I was younger. Back then I fought at a different weight class, and with all the cardio you do when your training, its hard to hold weight/muscle. Hope that helps. thanks guys.

[LAPhattie]

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/St_Pierre2.JPG


http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_popup.asp?pic_id=12085&f_id=3500

that is the kinda physique Im going for, and I know my goals are different than some others on this site since I dont think bigger is necessarily better w/o being lean. This guy obviously juices, but w/ the exception of the gyno I like his physique. Lean, Hard, Strong.

And he's 5'10 - 169lbs.

me currently 5'10 - 182lbs. I need to keep doing cardio 6x/wk 45min am & pm. plus lifting m.w.f. But I wont look like that guy does naturally. Im well aware of that. He has lotta density and cuts for the amount of mma training he does.

[SMAN12b]

You can lose that with a decent diet and workout program. You dont need the juice

LAP, after reading this and seeing the pic of what you want to look like, I really have to agree with KALE that you can get his physique easily going NATURAL!!!!!!! Ilooked like that at 21 and never touched AAS until I was 34 I would suggest the proper diet for your goals and heavy weights, But to each his own. Good Luck and keep us posted on your progress

[LAPhattie]

LAP, after reading this and seeing the pic of what you want to look like, I really have to agree with KALE that you can get his physique easily going NATURAL!!!!!!! Ilooked like that at 21 and never touched AAS until I was 34 I would suggest the proper diet for your goals and heavy weights, But to each his own. Good Luck and keep us posted on your progress

thanks but you agree he's not natural right?

[SMAN12b]

thanks but you agree he's not natural right?

It is hard to tell from just one picture, but NO I would disagree and I would guess he IS natural....but then again I am only right about 70% of the time when I am trying to guess if women's breasts are real or augmented so.....take it for what it's worth...LOL...That would be a good poll to take and see what others think if the pic of him looks Natural or not....The more experienced people on here may be able to see something I am not catching.....

[LAPhattie]

It is hard to tell from just one picture, but NO I would disagree and I would guess he IS natural....but then again I am only right about 70% of the time when I am trying to guess if women's breasts are real or augmented so.....take it for what it's worth...LOL...That would be a good poll to take and see what others think if the pic of him looks Natural or not....The more experienced people on here may be able to see something I am not catching.....

ha. ur honest tho. imho i think fake tits suck, they just dont bounce hang and set like reg ones.

[SMAN12b]

ha. ur honest tho. imho i think fake tits suck, they just dont bounce hang and set like reg ones.

LOLOL That is Def. true
PM me and I will send you a pic of me at 33 after only ONE year of HARDCORE NATURAL training and the shape I got in with just NATURAL lifting and dieting for a contest if you want ......

[SMAN12b]

ha. ur honest tho. imho i think fake tits suck, they just dont bounce hang and set like reg ones.

OK LAP, I figured out how to upload my pics from my first NATURAL competition, but don't know how to copy the link to it on here, so if you want to see a NATURAL physique that YOU TOO could have, just look up my name under the Member Pics Forum....tell me what you think

[LAPhattie]

what was ur bf% in that pic? and what was it b4 cutting, how many wks of cutting did u do?

u looked pretty dayam ripped. nice.

BUT even if i can get there naturally, the cycle written at the top of the page, will only help or make me more jacked, cut, whatever. right? if im doing all the same things, its not gonna make me look worse is what im saying.

[SMAN12b]

what was ur bf% in that pic? and what was it b4 cutting, how many wks of cutting did u do?

u looked pretty dayam ripped. nice.

BUT even if i can get there naturally, the cycle written at the top of the page, will only help or make me more jacked, cut, whatever. right? if im doing all the same things, its not gonna make me look worse is what im saying.

NO cycle though, will do any good unless you have the PROPER diet and Training for the cycle...Just my opinion and I hope many others here...that being said:

The bodyfat in that pic was about 3-4% but keep in mind it was a bodybuilding contest and goal is low BF...That low is NOT healthy for long periods.
12 weeks before contest, I was 192# and 15% BF at contest, I was 168# NATURAL and 3-4% BF...Currently I am 41years, 220# ( after a few cycles) and about 17%BF getting ready to sart 4th cycle in a few weeks.

[LAPhattie]

NO cycle though, will do any good unless you have the PROPER diet and Training for the cycle...Just my opinion and I hope many others here...that being said:

The bodyfat in that pic was about 3-4% but keep in mind it was a bodybuilding contest and goal is low BF...That low is NOT healthy for long periods.
12 weeks before contest, I was 192# and 15% BF at contest, I was 168# NATURAL and 3-4% BF...Currently I am 41years, 220# ( after a few cycles) and about 17%BF getting ready to sart 4th cycle in a few weeks.

wow. so u were losing about 2lbs/wk? what kinda cardio training were u doing?

and DOES anyone wanna give pct advice for the cycle up top...

[SMAN12b]

wow. so u were losing about 2lbs/wk? what kinda cardio training were u doing?

and DOES anyone wanna give pct advice for the cycle up top...

Actually, I hated cardio....still do....so I really didn't do that much. Maybe 30 min 3-4 times a week, but I did do Martial Arts at the time and that was like cardio for me.

Again, as far as PCT, you really should do yourself a favor and READ the stuff in the PCT forum....You should find all your answers there , or at least post your question there for a quicker reply. ( I am not an expert, so I can't help you on PCT, Sorry) GOOD LUCK

[LAPhattie]

Actually, I hated cardio....still do....so I really didn't do that much. Maybe 30 min 3-4 times a week, but I did do Martial Arts at the time and that was like cardio for me.

Again, as far as PCT, you really should do yourself a favor and READ the stuff in the PCT forum....You should find all your answers there , or at least post your question there for a quicker reply. ( I am not an expert, so I can't help you on PCT, Sorry) GOOD LUCK

thanks. I appreciate your input. how many days/wk were u lifting in addition to the 4x/wk cardio while u were cutting? also, did u do morning cardio on empty stomach?

[SMAN12b]

thanks. I appreciate your input. how many days/wk were u lifting in addition to the 4x/wk cardio while u were cutting? also, did u do morning cardio on empty stomach?

Keep in mind this was CONTEST PREP, so I was weight lifting 5 days a week and usually did the cardio right AFTER my weight training. It has been said on here that isn't the best time to do it, but it really worked for me. This was a 12 week Contest Prep and I have a log of every single calorie I took in every singel day, every single meal I mapped out and would cook all day Sundays for the week ahead......I think I was a bit CRAZY.....I think it was the toughest thing I ever did!! But damn does that trophy look good!!!.....LOLOLOLOL

[LAPhattie]

Keep in mind this was CONTEST PREP, so I was weight lifting 5 days a week and usually did the cardio right AFTER my weight training. It has been said on here that isn't the best time to do it, but it really worked for me. This was a 12 week Contest Prep and I have a log of every single calorie I took in every singel day, every single meal I mapped out and would cook all day Sundays for the week ahead......I think I was a bit CRAZY.....I think it was the toughest thing I ever did!! But damn does that trophy look good!!!.....LOLOLOLOL

so Im im 5'10 182 (13%bf) - trying to get to a leaner 168 (5-6%bf). do u think lifting m,w,f is not enough? cuz I was putting more emphasis on the cardio. 6x/wk 45min. u seemed to be doing the opposite, 5x lifting, 3x cardio??

[SMAN12b]

so Im im 5'10 182 (13%bf) - trying to get to a leaner 168 (5-6%bf). do u think lifting m,w,f is not enough? cuz I was putting more emphasis on the cardio. 6x/wk 45min. u seemed to be doing the opposite, 5x lifting, 3x cardio??

AGAIN, I am NOT an expert at this, but I do know and believe that "MORE MUSCLE BURNS MORE FAT" So I guess I would say YES BUT, it depends on the intensity of your workouts too....I was training very HEAVY my sets would be where I was failing at about 6-8 reps and even sometime only 4-6 reps
There is a lot of info on cutting diets and training in the DIET forums too.... Just read, read, read.....

I am researching to do a cycle in a few weeks, and it seems like I am addicted to this board to soak up as much knowledge as possible before my cycle!!!