Some suggested i just up the rep range of the deadlifts.. but i declined. I've had high-repetition/repetitive-stress injuries duing contest preps in the past. The worst of these being a deep tissue quad tear from squatting and cardio. So, in an attempt to avoid injury, increasing the rep range on the exercise is out.
yeah nark, increasing the rep range is a sure way of increasing the chance of injury, good tip i got when i started to deadlift was not to go ove 6reps for safey. the most i ever pushed it was for 8 reps but for only 1 to 2 wks at a time
I'm with you there.. that was my exercise of choice
I get you there. I thought about that exercise.. and discarded it in the same thought. I use to do 'em before i took up deadlifting seriously.. and i haven't done 'em since. Personally i, like you, think Standard Deads; SLDLs; Romanian Deads, are in a league by themselves
absolutely
How productive would partials be?
very productive for a conventional deadlifter who has trouble locking weights out, if you pull easy from the floor, and get stuck closer to the top on max lifts, the partials would help alot. they also help sumo deadlifters as well. since the sumo lifter actually uses more legs than back during there lift, it is a great exercise ti increase your lower back without having to do the full deadlift movement, this is why i believe it would be a great idead to use to maintain your strength. you will be able to use more weight on these therefore when you go back to regular deads from the floor, the weight will not feel heavy at all, i suggest seting them up in the rack just above knee level. even though you probably using more weight, it will still be less taxing on your body and CNS than the full ROM deads
Thanks for the description and the link Doc... They look like Romanian Deads [from the pic i see]. Are they close in execution??
no not at all, the romanian 's are alot more taxing on the body, these are easier and are done with less reps and more weight and quicker speed. i believe the dimmels hit the glutes more than the romaninans
Hm... how do SLDLs compare to Good Mornings.. maintenance-wise i mean?
if i had to choose btwn the 2, i would say the SLDL's would work much better than the Gmornings because they mimic the pull alot more as opposed the the Gmorns which IMO mimic more of a akward squat. like i said i dont like the gmorns, the SLDL's would be my choice to keep up my strength. now on the flip side, i believe the Gmorns are esier on the body than SLDL's so if you are doing alot of volume already for BBing they may work better for you if you feel the SLDL's are taking away from your BBings movements, only one way to find out this is to try them out for yourself and see how your body responds. 99% of lifting is dependent on how your body reacts, adapts and heals and there are a ton of variables in that scenario depending on supplementation , gear, lifting experience and genetics. it will be different for each individual
My biggest prob with GMs is that they're unnatural to me. With the unnatural feel i can never comfortable hit a 'groove' with the movement.
'hitting a groove' is important for me if i plan to make an exercise a mainstay. You know what i'm saying?
i never ever felt comfortable doing them until i spread my legs sumo style and tried a variation of the Good morning. you can litteraly chnage the good morning 20 different ways. for example, adding chains or bands, using an arched back or flat back, letting your knees locked or unlocked. doing them in the rack off of pins for partial movements, close ,medium, and wide stance, high bar or low bar etc etc etc
here is some more info written by louie simmons explaing the variations of good morning and there uses. these lifters swear by the good mornings
DEADLIFT TRAINING-part 3
Louie Simmons
The back has much potential, which is seldom reached. For such
a simple lift, the deadlift can be complicated to train. If one only deadlifts,
progress will stall or injuries are certain. No one is totally built to deadlift. The
lower back can be overtrained if one bends over too much, or it can be
undertrained if the legs are used too much. If sumo deadlifts are done constantly,
the back will become weak while the hips will be overused.
My friend Sakari, from Finland, has surveyed the top 15 deadlifters in
Finland and discovered that more than 60% of the deadlift training for sumo
pullers is special exercises. At Westside we have found the same. Let's look at
some of those exercises.
There are many styles of good mornings to choose from. Matt Smith
does mostly concentric good mornings. He fixes a set of chains hanging from the
power rack, with the loop of the chain 3 feet off the floor. He suspends the bar in
the chains. He ducks under the bar and muscles up the weight. Once your style
is developed, continue to use that style, and as the weight goes up, so does your
squat and deadlift. Matt's best is 860 pounds. A final note: don't swing the weight.
If you do, you may start the load with the bar behind the knees. This is a squat,
not a good morning. Remember, the bar must be in front of the knees to
be a good morning. The concentric good morning builds little muscle mass.
The most common good morning at Westside is the bent-over style
with a 14-inch-cambered bar. First stand up with bar. Sink the chest to round the
back slightly. Fill the abs with air and bend over with the glutes pushed out to the
rear as far as possible. When going from the eccentric phase to the concentric
phase, try to arch the back as you complete the lift. Don't go too low: On EMG
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testing, the spinal erectors will shut off and the low lumbars will be activated. This
is dangerous.
The next type of good morning is the arched-back style. This is my
favorite. I like the Safety Squat bar for this exercise. I don't wear gear or a belt.
Push the glutes to the rear as far as possible. Very little leg bend is used.
Overarch the back. In the bottom, pause for a split second, push your head into
the pad by picking up your chin, and come up. When I break my arched-back
good morning record, I break my squat record. The camber of the Safety Squat
bar places the center line of the bar well in front of the knees.
Chuck Vogelpohl and many others do a combo squat/good morning.
Just bend over into a good morning, then drop into a parallel squat and return to
the starting position. This can be done with or without a box. Try to keep the reps
to lower than 3 and no more than 6. Whether you wear a belt and/or suit with the
straps down is up to you and your ability. We use many special bars for squats
as well as good mornings. We also sometimes raise the heels by 2 inches; this
puts extra work on the lower back. Raising the toes 1-2 inches puts pressure on
the hamstrings. The legendary Paul Anderson was doing all the varieties of the
good mornings I have talked about.
A training partner of Paul Childress let me in on a little secret to building
some very strong erectors. Place one foot on a 2 x 6 board. Do 3-5 reps in either
the bent-over or arched-back good morning. This will really isolate the spinal
erectors and hamstrings. If it sounds like Westsiders do a lot of good mornings,
we do.
For other sports teams, try doing walking bent-over lunges with a Safety
Squat bar. I've had NFL football players, top soccer players from the U.K.,
professional rugby coaches from the U.K., and MMA fighters do this, and it
kicked their asses in a good way.
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Very low box squats are also used to build a deadlift by building a strong
lower back and hips by isolating these crucial muscle groups. Some men who
are very flexible will squat off a 6-inch box, although most use a 10-inch box.
Reps of 1-5 works best. A strong squatter will do 60-70% of their contest squat.
Use groove briefs or a suit with the straps down.
Don't forget to use as many different bars as possible to break records.
After doing a max effort workout with a special squat or good morning or even a
box, rack, or regular deadlift, there are very specialized exercises that must be
done. The following describes some of them.
In the 45-degree back raise, work up to a hard set of 3-5 reps. A decent
goal would be 200 pounds for 5 reps. Lock the low back statically and squeeze
the glutes as hard as possible. We use our own C/H/G design, with a 3-foot-wide
pad. After all, a wider base is best. If your base is narrower than the top, it is
unstable, and so is any coach who preaches this style.
Pull-throughs are very productive. They can be done with a Jump-
Stretch band or a low-pulley machine. Do high reps, 10-15. When doing heavy
weight on a low pulley, it is hard to keep your balance because the weight on the
cable may exceed your body weight. Another way to do pull-throughs, the riginal
way, is with a kettle bell. Use a shoulder-width stance. Place both hands on the
kettle bell. Swing it through the legs until the hamstrings and glutes stop the bell.
This sets the stretch reflex into action. Very quickly, swing to the front, to waist
height or higher, and repeat for 6-12 reps depending on the weight. Do 3 or 4
sets. These can be done with one arm, two arms, or alternating hands.
Try some one-arm deadlifts. Sumo style works best. Use straps
or a hook grip. They work muscles you didn't know you had. Reps work
best, 3-5. Herman Gonner has done 727 pounds. Zercher lifts will build every
squat and deadlift muscle in your body, with the exception of your hands.
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Westside does a lot of grip work with various devices, such as
the Rolling Thunder from Ironmind, the G-Rex Grip from Sorinex, and the
Telegraph Key, and by holding the bell end of a hex dumbbell.
Pay attention to stretching and joint mobility work. Ab work is also
essential. I prefer the stand-up style. Kettle bell swings work the abs well. Some
Westsiders do weighted sit-ups, flat or decline. We also use a device of Pat
Roberts that has helped a lot. It's a wheel with metal foot straps with which you
walk on your hands or do push-ups. We also do a lot of static holds with the
wheel. It not only builds the abs, but it works the upper and lower back. An added
plus for me is that it works my groin and legs.
One other very important machine, the Reverse Hyper machine, will
not only build the hamstrings, glutes, and spinal erectors but also traction the low
back by rotating the sacrum and rehydrating the disks. (The Reverse Hyper
machine has two U.S. patents, a third patent pending, and a U.S. trademark.)
This machine is used at least four times a week. On a strap Pro model, Chuck's
normal weight is 480-520 for 3 sets of 10 reps. On the same day, Chuck will also
do 3 sets on a roller Pro model. The usual weight is 360 for 10 reps. This workout
is done Monday and Friday. On bench days, he performs 2 sets of 15 reps on
just one machine with about 70% of the weight of the heavy day. Also a lot of leg
curls are done with the roller Pro model.
Always rotate a core exercise each week. A good morning, a low
box squat, a rack pull, etc., can be rotated. Switch the special exercises as often
as necessary. One exercise may make the difference between failure and
success. So pick wisely: not the ones you like, but the ones that work.
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