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http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/nation...ia-report.html
There was no evidence of a link between former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, according to a report released Friday by the U.S. Senate.Saddam Hussein was distrustful of al-Qaeda and viewed Islamic extremists as a threat to his regime, refusing all requests from al-Qaeda to provide material or operational support," the report said.
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Yeah, that was common knowledge wayyyyy before the Iraq invasion (common to everyone except conservative Americans)
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yes buts its interesting to se that it is now totaly accepted by the senate and all of Bush's reasons to go to war was utter bullshit.
Doesnt this warrant a impeachment? I mean clinton got his cock sucked and that was enough.
Isnt sending thousands of soldiders to there deaths for a lie a bigger offence? Even if the bush admin started the war with the firm belif that sadam had al qaida links or wmd's they still ****ed up and are responsible for alot of unnessecary deaths. If I where a american I would demand bush head on a stake.
It speaks alot about modern society when getting ones cocked sucked is worse than starting a war on lies....Alteast Blair is getting pushed out of office because of iraq.
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Clinton wasnt impeached.
Yes but this is what politics is all about. Bush relied on his sources and "intelligence", therefore he was misled and misinformed. There is an ulterior motive.
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well acctualy he was impeached and then acquitted...Impeachment is just the hearing and the first stage in beeing removed of office or something along those lines. Had he been found guilty during the impeachment he would have been removed.Originally Posted by Prada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_impeachment
But Bush is indeed responsible for the lifes lost regardless of the info he got. I think its awfull if he can just wash his hands by saying he got bad info and get out of it without repercussions. There is probably ulterior motives. But Bush should be held responsible.
I think its a dangerous precende that the leader of the most powerfull democratic nation can start a war based on lies and deceit and then get away with it.
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But Johan who do you want to hold him responsible? Iraq in anarchy? His domestic audience, that is more so ignorant and naive then him? Russia that is suffering from erectile dysfunction? Unfortunately what can anyone do? Maybe a bipolar world is needed? I think so.
The Iraq war is just the facade, the administration is not filled with that much idiocy. Why don't they just cut and run? What is left in Iraq to do.
Albeit I agree with what you are saying but
The raison d'etre in Iraq is always implicit and fluctuating
This is the modern era's world power's way of keeping a stranglehold of global dominance.
I think its a dangerous precende that the leader of the most powerfull democratic nation can start a war based on lies and deceit and then get away with it
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Yeah you got a point there. The house of representatives wont do that I guess under any circumstance??
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I don't believe so. If anything CIA, Rummy and company will get the blame diverted towards them. Let's not forget many still think that the war is justified and terrorism is still a clear and present danger. In Iraq If its not;support for Hamas by Iraq, then its WMDs in Iraq, or Al-Qaeeda in Iraq, OBL in Iraq, Saddam Hussein, Insurgents Iraq, Iran and Iraq, M.Al-Sadr, Saddams pursuit of nuclear weapons. Now the rhetoric is "well Iraq was a ticking time bomb that had to be dealt with one day or another anyways" therefore justifying all actions by the plethora of the gullible and ignorants. As Bush botched and attempted so eloquently to put it: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, Shame on me"
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impeachment is long over due but congress either is complicit or doesn't have the spine to do anything. maybe one principled congressman might write up some impeachment articles, regardless of whether it will pass, to show present and future generations that some people cared about the rule of law.
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This is the same US senate that made marijuan illegal based upon the premise that blacks were more likely to rape white women whilst under the influenc of pot; the same US Senate that scheduled AAS at Schedule III despite the dissent of the DEA/HHS and the AMA; the same US Senate that ignored the Nixon report regarding cannibus, the same US Senate who passes laws designed to interfere with the very same rights guaranteed by a simple reading of hte Constitution.
US Gov= BS but I love America!
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its the same reason why cocaine is illegal.... saw it on the history channel. all that was needed was a few headlines that said "coked up negroes run a muck" and blow was illegal. they should be illegal but not for this reason.
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The Clinton/Lewanski scandel made a mockery out of the Impeachment process. It would be a waste of tax payer money in this case as well.
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The whole debacle was a sham in the first place. Racheting up falsified connections. Now our boys are in Iraq, trying to be police. That's not their job... Nor is it doing us any good domestically or internationally. It's actually fueling hatred of America.
I can tell you this for damn sure. If we would have put half the number of troops we have in iraq in Afghanistan... Osama would be caught.
But then there wouldn't be any more missiles to fire, or tanks to build, or bullets to buy.. It's all economics...folks. The Iraq joke was just a pillage attempt, and a way for the Have's to make money by sending the have-nots into harms way.
And they should go to hell for using a religious platform to get the bufoon elected.
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My vote.. impeach the bastard. Tony Blair was forced to step-down.
What has been done postive in the past six years? Tell me are you better off? Are we?
Not a bit.
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When did Tony Blair step down? DO you have some secret knowledge that we dont?
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Atleast he will within a yearWhen did Tony Blair step down? DO you have some secret knowledge that we dont?and from all the bickering in his party it doesnt seem like he wants to.
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i am still trying to figure out why us Americans havent marched to the White House and tossed this Administration out yet? I guess we love the new corporate militia America.
We have been so duped on this 9/11 and Iraq thing its not even funny.
MSNBC just had a poll on the number of people who think the government is behind 911. When I voted it was 59% government involvement, 30% government was not involved and 11% undecided. Yet these bastards are still in office.
I just sit back and say....I told you, I told you.
They just said I was a bush hater and I was crazy.
I can vote thats all I can do........Oh, but that doesnt matter either.
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You guys rant and wring your hands for the wrong reason. Tell your Democratic party to develop a platform other than the infamous "We hate Bush" montra and perhaps the 2004 election may have swung your way. The truth is that no one in the Democratic party has developed a plan of action that is actually better than the one that we have now. Give us a better way, the "We hate Bush" shit is getting old and accomplishes nothing. I will vote for whomever has a rational vision for this country, I will not support ANYONE who has nothing to add nor brings anything to the table. This is the real world, leave the theories and wishy-washy banter at the door should you wish to join in solving the problems. If you have nothing to offer in the way of helping to actually solve the problems, than get out of the way and let the big boys do it.
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That was a stupid reason to impeach Clinton for and a waste of money. There are serious crimes to impeach Bush for and none of them involve cheating on his wife.
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Exactly. They spent more money on Clinton then they did the 911 commission.
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dont you know the democrats are a party of no ideas, and the GOP is a party of bad ideas.........
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i am still trying to figure out why us Americans havent marched to the White House and tossed this Administration out yet? I guess we love the new corporate militia America.
We have been so duped on this 9/11 and Iraq thing its not even funny.
MSNBC just had a poll on the number of people who think the government is behind 911. When I voted it was 59% government involvement, 30% government was not involved and 11% undecided. Yet these bastards are still in office.
I just sit back and say....I told you, I told you.
They just said I was a bush hater and I was crazy.
I can vote thats all I can do........Oh, but that doesnt matter either.
Seriously, this theory of the goverment being involved is absolutely rediculous!Do you honestly believe that are goverment is pure evil.
These conspiracy theorist must believe that are goverment is run by the anti-christ. We got caught off guard and now we are in a war to make up for our mistakes but are causing more problems now than before 9/11.
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Muslim leaders are funding terrorism. Why would they do such a thing? They believe U.S. is evil for backing Israel occupation of muslim land. As much money that is unaccounted for after Saddam's fall, the only possibilities are that he gave it to terrorists, or made one hell of an "anonymous" humanitarian donation. My father worked in intelligence in his younger years and still has many friends in and around. As he has mentioned to me many times, funding was coming priamrily from Syria and Iran, but don't think Iraq wasn't funding Palestinians and other terrorists.
As far as Bush goes, he is not very conservative. Do you believe someone who spends the way he does, is for the well-fare system and lets illegal immigrants quietly invade our country is conservative? Impeached? Maybe not. By putting out candidates like dispicable Kerry and Edwards, how could Bush lose? Bush atleast wants to protect america.
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Well put.
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i dont have the energy nor time to debate this battle. Its this simple.
You believe or you dont. The information is out there, along with disinformation.
I will say this. We didnt give caught off guard. Dont insult me. We have the best defense in the world. Surprise is not the reason 911 happened.
911 was the catalyst for many many things this administration has done, illegally by the way.
I love my country but i despise this corporate militia administration.
Try reading the PNAC (Project for New American Century) documents. It clearly states and outlines many of these events.
Here is one analysis of it.
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/n...tism/pnac.html
I have the full 90 page copy sitting in front of me. Nice read, if your hitler.
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Yeah, nice read.O.K., if our goverment did set this whole thing up, then why aren't all the dejectors that have been resigning lately, spill the beans on the whole situation? I mean how well can our goverment really keep a secret? Also, accordind to that article, this administration wants total world domination, but how much longer does President Bush have in office? About a year! He better pick up the pace if he wants to pull that off!
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War time presidents always get re-elected.
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The 22 amendement prohibits or limits Presidents to serve not more then two terms.
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How in the world does such a large number of people keep a secret like this? If the knowledge of such a threat was circulating, how does it stay closed in that group. Last time I checked intelligence agents are part of a particular politacal party. At some point did we elect intelligence agents that were partisan? I don't think so. If anyone got wind of such events were going to occur, it would not be secret for an hour!
Some of you people are worse than the goofs that say bush put explosives in the trade centers and demolished them after they didn't fall from the planes. Best defense in the world? Sure. Impervious, I think not. Not while liberals are around making sure Bush can't listen to terrorist conversations in the U.S. for the sake of someone recording a conversation between Brad Pitt and Jolie?! WTF!
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Riddle me this batman. How you do prepare a 50-ish story building up for demolition on the day of 911...9 hours after the so called attack, building WTC 7 was "pulled". This building was 4 blocks away from the N and S towers.
Here is a little info on WTC 7
http://www.wtc7.net/
Wtc 7 is just one little example of the problems with the official story of 911.
Do your homework. Please.
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Oh for Christ sake go hang out at the ****ing Star Trek convention you idiotI can't think of the words to describe the utter contempt I have for you and any other kool aid drinker that believes that shit....It defies logic, I now have empathy with my cousin who was a therapist and would talk about how difficult it was to get through to some of the people that are so disconnected from reality.................you guys fit the bill..................you're all pathetic.
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nice remark. intelligent too.
logic, yeah. use some.
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US Senate no moral link?
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Agreed
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And AgreedOh for Christ sake go hang out at the ****ing Star Trek convention you idiot
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I would also like to mention to everyone to know that I am a physics student at the University of Pittsburgh about to star my PHD work. I have talk to Dr. Jones, the main proponent of the WTC 7 demolition theory, at a convention. After discussing the topic with many physicists and engineers, the final opinion was 11-1 that it was not possible for demolition to have been the reasoning for the collapse.
If anyone wants to know how you could tell from the pictures FOR SURE, I'll give you a bit of a lecture. There is something called dimensional analysis. Pictures of the first atomic bomb were released, the government considered it to be top secret as to the amount of energy that was released. Little did they consider that dimensional analysis could give a very accurate estimate. All that was needed was a few variables like height to radius ratio (obtainable from the pictures) and some constants like viscosity of air (common scientific knowledge) and poof! The mathematicians and physicists, using the Buckingham Pi Theorem produced a series of equations that combined to give the energy released. Same sort of thing has been done for WTC 7 and the other trade towers.
The one engineer that thought it was possible that dynamite was planted, was not familiar with the buckingham pi theorem. So, I know the liberals were really hoping for this to be that great conundrum that people would have to accept and impeach bush with but....I am no dumb redneck. Actually, I happen to be a really F*%king smart one.
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I would love to see this report and analysis. Please post here.
Oh your banned, my bad. lol
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