clen anti catabolic?

[nrobleski]

Just wondering, I am one week away from begining clomid and want to start clen as well during my pct. I have heard that clen aids in fighting catabolism true or false?

[hardgainer12]

its true. it keeps u anti-catabolic. pct is an excellent time to use it

[DarKOmeN]

agree. clen is a must in pct for me anyways

..Darkomen

[01dragonslayer]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=23808

[MoneyAddyct]

I've always read that clenbuterol was anti-catabolic, but this profile from Bodybuilding.com seems to emphasize that it is significantly catabolic. And it also seems to note that clen has a tendency to increase aerobic capacity, which, is also something I read that it DID NOT do. Has Bodybuilding.com got it all wrong?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catclen.htm

Would anyone like to comment on that?

[MoneyAddyct]

Anyone? I'm interested in some's responses to that article.

[cfiler]

I've always read that clenbuterol was anti-catabolic, but this profile from Bodybuilding.com seems to emphasize that it is significantly catabolic. And it also seems to note that clen has a tendency to increase aerobic capacity, which, is also something I read that it DID NOT do. Has Bodybuilding.com got it all wrong?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catclen.htm

Would anyone like to comment on that?

Clen does not increase aerobic capacity, although in some, the stimulant aspect of clen dose give an added boost of energy that they did not have before.

Clen is a mild anti-catablic. Which is extreamly usefull in PCT. I wouldn't run PCT without clen in it.

[Growingpains]

I've always read that clenbuterol was anti-catabolic, but this profile from Bodybuilding.com seems to emphasize that it is significantly catabolic. And it also seems to note that clen has a tendency to increase aerobic capacity, which, is also something I read that it DID NOT do. Has Bodybuilding.com got it all wrong?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catclen.htm

Would anyone like to comment on that?

Bodybuilding.com doesn't want people to use it. That probably the reason why they say that Sh*t

[MoneyAddyct]

I dunno, maybe. I often find very interesting and accurate articles coming out of bodybuilding.com.

[taiboxa]

its anticatabolic effects have never impressed me which makes me think they are VERY MINIMAL

[Warrior21]

I used clen with a reduced calorie diet a couple of months ago and easily burned 10-15 lbs of muscle. I only used 60mcg a day as well. Clen isn't
anti-catabolic, for me at least. Just my .02

[MoneyAddyct]

10-15lbs of muscle? Damn! You must be pretty pissed then. Can anyone personally attest to the anti-catabolic effect?

[Tunez]

I hear that it doesnt only burn fat, but also some muscle..my friend took it for 2 weeks and stopped because he lost too much weight and looked skinny as opposed to his original stocky self

[Warrior21]

10-15lbs of muscle? Damn! You must be pretty pissed then. Can anyone personally attest to the anti-catabolic effect?

Yep, still working to put that muscle back on. But I'm doing it much slower now. Lean bulking. (I'm an endomorph, go figure)

[cfiler]

10-15lbs of muscle? Damn! You must be pretty pissed then. Can anyone personally attest to the anti-catabolic effect?

I ran a clen + T3 cycle, and did not loose much muscle. Probably 4 lbs of muscle, with 20 fat, and some water weight aswell.

I love clen, you just have to remember that it's not nearly as effective at maintaining muscle as aas. But when compared to other thermos like ECA, green tea, ect. it totally kicks their ass.

[MoneyAddyct]

Interesting...Maybe I'll hold off on clen for a while.

[stupidhippo]

clen definelty helps in PCT... its also very anabolic when used in extreme doses (nothing that applies to us humans though) but that hints that is thas some sort of anabolic/anti-catabolic function.. it is still classified in doping lists as other anabolic agents (or sumin like that)... I read about the mechanism of its supposeed anabolic action from our pharmacology book and it had something to do with rearranging the reticular networks in muscle tissue.. BUT I agree with others, clen used in safe doses (or realtively safe) or doses humans use isnt very anabolic /anti-catabolic... BUT IMO it definelty helps in PCT..

[acesand]

I used clen with a reduced calorie diet a couple of months ago and easily burned 10-15 lbs of muscle. I only used 60mcg a day as well. Clen isn't
anti-catabolic, for me at least. Just my .02

i would suspect your diet might of had more to do with losing 10-15 pounds of muscle. How many cals. were you taking in? and what do you weigh

[DEVLDOG]

its anticatabolic effects have never impressed me which makes me think they are VERY MINIMAL

Agree

[Morpheaus]

i used clen after one of my cycles's last year for about 6 week's and it was spot on, retained nearly all my weight and strength.

used it on my last cycle this year but ran out of the stuff after 3.5 week's, i was doing 5 tablet's, 10mcg a day? (i'll have to check the dosage.)

anyway, it work's for me you just need to take the right amount.

[MoneyAddyct]

i used clen after one of my cycles's last year for about 6 week's and it was spot on, retained nearly all my weight and strength.

used it on my last cycle this year but ran out of the stuff after 3.5 week's, i was doing 5 tablet's, 10mcg a day? (i'll have to check the dosage.)

anyway, it work's for me you just need to take the right amount.

If you retained nearly all your weight than how was clen successfull? Do you mean you retained nearly all your muscle mass while using clen?

[stupidhippo]

yup, thats what he meant... IMO there is a huge difference in PCT with or without clen

[helium3]

my opinion is that anything that raises your metabolic rate and increases your basal body tempreture will burn more calories,this said you could expect to burnfat and muscle unless your diet was perfect.

the reason its said to be anti catabolic because "maybe" there are some muscle building properties that come with clen use due to receptor activity or other non-receptor mediated activity.

[napoleon]

its anticatabolic effects have never impressed me which makes me think they are VERY MINIMAL

I agree here. Clen's anti-catabolic properties are not very pronounced.

In my knowledge the "anti-catabolic" rumor was based on a study that used amt's not safe for human consumption.

So as an anti-cat... I say No.

Nap

[stupidhippo]

the mechanism of clens anabolism /anti-catabolism is known .. its actually really anabolic but in doses we can use its not very anabolic.. u can pub med it easily if u wanna..

[stupidhippo]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

this pretty much summarizes what im saying..

large doses of clenbuterol could be very anabolic but the problem is the accompanying myocyte hypertrophy and if the dose is too big then there is a risk of myocyte apoptosis/necrosis..... also studies done on animals aren always applicable.. especially dose wise.... I know I wouldnt wanna be the human guinea pig....

but then again as far as what the other senior members have said, I agree with them.. in practice clenbuterol at the doses its being used is not very anabolic / anti-catabolic.. BUT IMO its good in PCT..definetly helps retain gains and also makes u be able to eat more without gaining fat in PCT,.

[MoneyAddyct]

my opinion is that anything that raises your metabolic rate and increases your basal body tempreture will burn more calories,this said you could expect to burnfat and muscle unless your diet was perfect.

the reason its said to be anti catabolic because "maybe" there are some muscle building properties that come with clen use due to receptor activity or other non-receptor mediated activity.

I tend to agree with that.

[stupidhippo]

agree with what? he is stating pretty much this:

there are maybe some anti-catabolic properties in clen that are due to recpetor mediated pathways or other non-receptor mediated pathways.. I mean that is pretty much saying nothing but the obvious...

summary of what he is sayin: clen might be anticatabolic. I mean those pathways he stated exclude nothing. All pathways fall under receptor mediated or non-receptor mediated..

hehe... but on a more serious note, I personally fount out that under calorie restriction u can maintain more muscle with clen use. just based on personal observation though..

[helium3]

listen,there maybe some anti catabolic properties but the most important thing "i think about" clen is this


my opinion is that anything that raises your metabolic rate and increases your basal body tempreture will burn more calories,this said you could expect to burnfat and muscle unless your diet was perfect


@ stupid

ergo if you used clen while dieting dont just think its burning fat it isnt raising your metabolic rate will increase callorie expenditure and the callories will come from food or they will come from your adipose or musculiture .so simply put this includes muscle tissue not just fat that is being burnt.thats what im saying!

so how can it be so anti catabolic(in practical use)if it doesnt discriminate where the callories are coming from.the study you showed was for megadoses i presume,which dont apply here.

and dont get me wrong i like clen.

[stupidhippo]

what makes u think it doesnt discrminate? I personally think it does.. there are several things to take into consideration here... does clen increase lipolysis in humans? that remains somewhat disputable as far as i know. But what makes u say that clen wouldnt discriminate? I dont think there is enough evidence to say it wouldnt... I mean these things are pretty complex. does clen affect on the rate of gluconeogenesis? protein brakedown in muscle? Howbout if it is lipolytic would it increase the rate of fatty acid used as energy affecting the need to breakdown proteins etc.. I mean I can say for sure that I dont know enough to exclude any things like that.. and all other things related to human metabolism. IMO sometimes ppl oversimplify these things to make them more comprehandable.. Because we still dotn know the exact science behind everything clinical trials and in this case anecdotal evidence is needed.

[helium3]

what makes u think it doesnt discrminate? I personally think it does.. there are several things to take into consideration here... does clen increase lipolysis in humans? that remains somewhat disputable as far as i know. But what makes u say that clen wouldnt discriminate? I dont think there is enough evidence to say it wouldnt... I mean these things are pretty complex. does clen affect on the rate of gluconeogenesis? protein brakedown in muscle? Howbout if it is lipolytic would it increase the rate of fatty acid used as energy affecting the need to breakdown proteins etc.. I mean I can say for sure that I dont know enough to exclude any things like that.. and all other things related to human metabolism. IMO sometimes ppl oversimplify these things to make them more comprehandable.. Because we still dotn know the exact science behind everything clinical trials and in this case anecdotal evidence is needed.

this could be true,but you answered your own questions by simply stating that we dont know the exact effects,which is why i wouldnt comment on them,maybe it reduces cortisol levels i dont know so i leave out the guess work.but what i do know for certain is that increased metabolic rate means increased callorie expenditure

on a side note i recently used clen and along with a short 20 min run each day lost 7lbs in just over a week,but i cant be sure if i didnt lose any muscle along the way.

[stupidhippo]

yup, but inreased caloric expenditure doesnt necessarily mean increased loss of muscle. it might. actually clenbuterols anabolic mechanism in known, according to my pharmacology book atlaest... I dont remember it exactly though... but for practical purposes its pretty irrelevant.. so what do u think? Do u think clen then had any muscle saving properties or not? In my personal experience it does help to retain muscles in PCT.. also when I was cutting and did the 2 weeks on /off I noticed that the off weeks I lost more muscle but not more fat as compared to the on weeks.. ofcourse this is far from scientific evidence.

[Seattle Junk]

I used clen with a reduced calorie diet a couple of months ago and easily burned 10-15 lbs of muscle. I only used 60mcg a day as well. Clen isn't
anti-catabolic, for me at least. Just my .02

I would say you are a ectomorph and yes, you should not be using clen in PCT. You need to do whatever it takes to slow your metabolism.

Or your diet did not have enough protein in it...

[stupidhippo]

so if I would use a gram of tren a week and eat nothing for a month and I would lose lot of muscle would that make tren not anabolic? thats the logic, or seems like that to me. Im not saying that clen is hugely anti-catabolic/anabolic in the doses we can use but to say it does not have those properties is wrong IMO.

[stupidhippo]

also clen is good in PCT IMO if calories/protein are in order ofcourse, I know many ppl swear by this too...