My First Cycle. Need advice/suggestions

[BGIZZLE8629]

Im thinking about going with TEST CYP. and Equipoise (both from **) for my very first cycle. Somewhere between 250 and 400mg/week of each. Would this be a good first cycle or should I start out with TEST CYPIONATE only. I plan on taking Nolva and Proviron during the cycle and Clomid and possibly Nolvadex or Letro for my PCT. Don't know a lot about Letro though (anablic-review-research looks like cheap stuff) Any suggestions whatsoever on my stack and dosages would be awesome.

B.G.

[fLgAtOr]

Most are gonna recommend test only. I wouldn't see any prob with adding EQ in there other than the fact that it reaaalllyyy should be run for 16 weeks...Which you don't need to do on your first. So, test cyp should be just dandy.

I am not a fan of Nolva during cycle. I believe that its old school knowledge and you will be up a creek if you happen to be gyno prone. My vote will always go to Arimidex or Letro during a cycle (I'm a gyno magnet, so letro). Not sure about the Proviron though, I'll leave that for someone w/ more exp.

You may want to research aromasin for PCT. It looks like a better match than clomid. (Both used with nolva).

Do a search on letro. There is a ton of info about all these compunds. And FYI, you DO NOT run letro in PCT.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Thanks for the feedback chief. I appreciate it. If letro is what I think it is then, it is A.K.A. Farmara. Correct? If that is the case then I think that I need to stay away from it because it is supposed to have really bad/adverse effects on your good cholesterol levels due to it blocking estrogen COMPLETELY, while clomid and/or nolvadex tend to produce an estrogenic increase in good cholesterol values b/c they are active estrogens in the liver. ANd i just flat out can't afford Arimedex. I hope what I have studied and researched on is completely accurate. I am going to get a blood test done before I start anything though. OH, and as for Proviron, some people think of it as being more of an anti-estrogen while others see it as being more of an anti-aromatase. I will be taking it for anti-aromatase reasons. yeah, I would only be taking the eqipoise for about 10 weeks. So you don't think it would work very well? Thanks again for the advice.

[fLgAtOr]

No prob bob.

Yes, letro=femara. Any AI is going to affect your cholesterol levels, but I think that it depends more on dosage and how low you actually lower your estro. (In otherwords, adjust your intake accordingly).

Again, I think proviron will work, but I don't know enough about it.

Hoenstly, I've never run EQ, but I don't think very many people would only want to run it 10 weeks.

[Booz]

1st cycle imo test only,eq imo should be ran for a minimum of 12-14 weeks and that is a minimum,eq can take upto at least 8 weeks befoire you see any gains from this compound..............

[BGIZZLE8629]

Alright booz, so what do you think about running eq @ 325mg/wk from wks 1-12 and running test cyp at 325mg/wk from wks 2-13? do you think that would be a good idea. or should i just stick with cypionate only since this is my first cycle? Also do you know much about HCG? I read that you would definately need it if a cycle lasted longer than 10-12wks. Do you think I would certainly need it if I decided to run 325mg of each for 12wks (13 weeks total). I also read that if you do not take the absolute correct dosages at the perfect times then, it can shut down certain testicular functions PERMANTLY. I get rather worried when I see that word. Any suggestions about that from you and anybody would be sweet. Thanks for the advice bro.

[hosam4ever]

hcg at small doses is a must in longer cycles as it will make pct easier about test & eq both test c & eq r slow acting so if u wanna try more than one compound then do dbol asd a kick start it will give u better gains

[fLgAtOr]

Test cyp only....Save the EQ for another cycle. You don't have enough for correct dosages or length of time.

You probably won't need HCG. Don't bother.

With proper PCT, you should be fine. However, we all take a small amount of risk in what we do.

[BGIZZLE8629]

hcg at small doses is a must in longer cycles as it will make pct easier about test & eq both test c & eq r slow acting so if u wanna try more than one compound then do dbol asd a kick start it will give u better gains

Man, I heard Deca makes your dick limp as hell. I don't think I want to go with that.I will probably just go with the cypionate. Thanks for the advice.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Test cyp only....Save the EQ for another cycle. You don't have enough for correct dosages or length of time.

You probably won't need HCG. Don't bother.

With proper PCT, you should be fine. However, we all take a small amount of risk in what we do.

Alright then, if I only take Cypionate, should I up the dosage amount or keep it at like 400mg/wk? What do you think?

[BGIZZLE8629]

I dont understand about the EQ though. I got the idea of this stack from the steroid.com novice section and It was in the Anabolic book for beginner cycles. Why would it be out there if it wasn't supposed to be done. Any idea? I just really want it to harden up most of my gains bc I am 6' 225 @ about 19% body fat so I don't need to look any fatter than I already am.

[fLgAtOr]

I dont understand about the EQ though. I got the idea of this stack from the steroid.com novice section and It was in the Anabolic book for beginner cycles. Why would it be out there if it wasn't supposed to be done. Any idea? I just really want it to harden up most of my gains bc I am 6' 225 @ about 19% body fat so I don't need to look any fatter than I already am.

Do your research on the forums, not the homepage. The info out there is a little outdated.

The reason why I am confident about my answer to the EQ, is becuase of my research....Like I said though, I'll bump it for more opinions for you. But 325mg /wk for 12 wks is too low and too short.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Do your research on the forums, not the homepage. The info out there is a little outdated.

The reason why I am confident about my answer to the EQ, is becuase of my research....Like I said though, I'll bump it for more opinions for you. But 325mg /wk for 12 wks is too low and too short.

Thanks dude, I really appreciate your help.

[BGIZZLE8629]

hcg at small doses is a must in longer cycles as it will make pct easier about test & eq both test c & eq r slow acting so if u wanna try more than one compound then do dbol asd a kick start it will give u better gains

were you talking about dianabol or deca?

[LatinoPR]

Go with Test enant. 500/week....proper pct.....imo. or do whatever you want......j/k.











LPR.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Go with Test enant. 500/week....proper pct.....imo. or do whatever you want......j/k.






LPR.

what does imo mean? I think i am just going to do 500mg/wk of cyp and 25mg/wk of proviron, and 10mg/wk of nolvadex. Then have do 300mg/wk of clomid for the 1st day (18days after my last injection) then 100mg ed for the next 10 days, then 50mg ed thereafter for a total of three weeks. I will also incorporate 20mg ed of nolvadex in my pct. Does that sound like a good pct schedule? appreciate the feedback

[fLgAtOr]

what does imo mean? I think i am just going to do 500mg/wk of cyp and 25mg/wk of proviron, and 10mg/wk of nolvadex. Then have do 300mg/wk of clomid for the 1st day (18days after my last injection) then 100mg ed for the next 10 days, then 50mg ed thereafter for a total of three weeks. I will also incorporate 20mg ed of nolvadex in my pct. Does that sound like a good pct schedule? appreciate the feedback

That sounds great bro. However, don't limit yourself to a certain timeframe with PCT...If you still feel like poop, go ahead and continue. But what you got looks great.

IMO= In my opinion.

[pumpd4lif]

IMO eq under 500 mg per week is a waste just go with the cyp like everybody else is saying i would take it at 200 mg 2x every week

[BGIZZLE8629]

IMO eq under 500 mg per week is a waste just go with the cyp like everybody else is saying i would take it at 200 mg 2x every week

so you think I should go with two shots a week for a total of 400mg? do you think i should go for 10 weeks or 12?

[BGIZZLE8629]

That sounds great bro. However, don't limit yourself to a certain timeframe with PCT...If you still feel like poop, go ahead and continue. But what you got looks great.

IMO= In my opinion.

thanks for the clarification. have you ever heard of discontinuing use of nolvadex too early and estrogen levels skyrocketing causing even more problems? I read that somewhere. I think it has something to do with a negative feedback loop. have you heard of this phenomenon? I want to be sure that I do not discontinue too early.

[pumpd4lif]

so you think I should go with two shots a week for a total of 400mg? do you think i should go for 10 weeks or 12?

10 or 12 weeks will be fine whenever u feel ur gaines stop coming.but not to exceed 12 weeks

[BGIZZLE8629]

10 or 12 weeks will be fine whenever u feel ur gaines stop coming.but not to exceed 12 weeks

alright cheif. I appreciate it. I think i will go with 500 mg/wk... 250mg per shot twice a weak. do you suggest using my thigh as well as my glutes for injection sites?

[fLgAtOr]

thanks for the clarification. have you ever heard of discontinuing use of nolvadex too early and estrogen levels skyrocketing causing even more problems? I read that somewhere. I think it has something to do with a negative feedback loop. have you heard of this phenomenon? I want to be sure that I do not discontinue too early.

I haven't heard of this happening with Nolva. As long as you run it for a good 3-4 weeks, you should be fine.

I have heard of this happening with Aromatase Inhibitors...The reason being AI's surpress estro levels by preventing the enzyme (aromatase) from converting test into estrogen. The sudden discontinuation of these products may cause a rebound effect.

Nolva shoudln't do this becuase it isn't really limiting the amount of estro in the body...It's purpose is more to mimic estro and bind to the glands in your boobies (preventing gyno supposedly). I think it stimulates your HPTA as well, but im not sure.

[BGIZZLE8629]

I haven't heard of this happening with Nolva. As long as you run it for a good 3-4 weeks, you should be fine.

I have heard of this happening with Aromatase Inhibitors...The reason being AI's surpress estro levels by preventing the enzyme (aromatase) from converting test into estrogen. The sudden discontinuation of these products may cause a rebound effect.

Nolva shoudln't do this becuase it isn't really limiting the amount of estro in the body...It's purpose is more to mimic estro and bind to the glands in your boobies (preventing gyno supposedly). I think it stimulates your HPTA as well, but im not sure.

well, Im going to be taking proviron which some people consider it to be an anti-aromatase. Do you think i should taper down from those. I am going to be taking 25mg/ed (half of a pill) how would I even taper from that? taking a quarter of a pill? thanks for the info

[fLgAtOr]

well, Im going to be taking proviron which some people consider it to be an anti-aromatase. Do you think i should taper down from those. I am going to be taking 25mg/ed (half of a pill) how would I even taper from that? taking a quarter of a pill? thanks for the info

Again bro, I don't know a whole lot about Proviron. But you're gonna be stopping it going into PCT, when you have Nolva to keep you safe...and I don't see that as being a potential problem.

Rebound is more of a concern for stronger compounds (eg. Letro).

I'll bump this for more info on the proviron.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Again bro, I don't know a whole lot about Proviron. But you're gonna be stopping it going into PCT, when you have Nolva to keep you safe...and I don't see that as being a potential problem.

Rebound is more of a concern for stronger compounds (eg. Letro).

I'll bump this for more info on the proviron.

when you mean bump, you mean your going to ask people in different forums about the stuff? I dont know any forum lingo. but anyways if thats the case which is what it sounds like, then, thanks I appreciate it. Oh, do you know how much bloodwork costs are?

[fLgAtOr]

when you mean bump, you mean your going to ask people in different forums about the stuff? I dont know any forum lingo. but anyways if thats the case which is what it sounds like, then, thanks I appreciate it. Oh, do you know how much bloodwork costs are?

No, everytime you post, it "bumps" your thread to the top...So people can see it easier.

If you dont' get the answer in this thread, you might want to start on specifically addresing the Proviron issue.

...not sure on the bloodwork.

[BGIZZLE8629]

No, everytime you post, it "bumps" your thread to the top...So people can see it easier.

If you dont' get the answer in this thread, you might want to start on specifically addresing the Proviron issue.

...not sure on the bloodwork.

alright sweet. thanks for the info. i will ask about the proviron.

[BGIZZLE8629]

Does anybody else have any other suggestions that would be useful for me? I need to know if its ok to incorporate HCG during the cycle if I am using Proviron and Nolvadex. Also, I need to know if I do use HCG during my cycle, is there a need to add it into my PCT that I plan on doing? Thanks

[BGIZZLE8629]

anybody have any suggestions on HCG use throughout the cycle?

Or should I even need to take HCG while taking Proviron and Nolvadex?

Cycle:
TEST CYP-400mg/wk for 10wks
Proviron-25mg/wk for 10wks
Nolvadex-10mg/wk (probably start in week 2)
HCG-Possibly 500iu/e5th day in weeks 4-5 and again in wks 9-10

PCT:

Clomidon 18th day after last inj.)
300mg/day 1
100mg/day for days 2-13
50mg/day for days 14-23

Nolvadextaking it the 18 days before i start Clomid)about 41-43days total
10mg/day for about 23-25 days

Thanks.