Passing Drug Test for Natural Show??

[neverfail]

When doing a natural show how does the drug testing go? For example do they test before, after, during?

Do they stand over u while doing it?

Can u use someone else's urine? Or is it blood they take?

If it depends on the show, is there anyone competing in Flint MI on June 23?

Or is there anyone fimiliar with this contest and there testing methods?

Do the steroid cleansers work for passing this type of test?


Thank for any responses........nf

[Prime]

How about you dont cheat and enter an untested show.
I compete in the natural feds. It's a general concensus that people who cheat and use gear then compete in the naturals because even with the drugs they still can't cut it are pretty pathetic!
Good luck in your show

[Superhuman]

How about you dont cheat and enter an untested show.
I compete in the natural feds. It's a general concensus that people who cheat and use gear then compete in the naturals because even with the drugs they still can't cut it are pretty pathetic!
Good luck in your show

You could just answer his question instead of being a dick. Almost every Natural Pro juices/has juiced give me a ****in break. The rules say you can't have done any of the illegal substances within 6 months prior to the competition.

[Prime]

You could just answer his question instead of being a dick. Almost every Natural Pro juices/has juiced give me a ****in break. The rules say you can't have done any of the illegal substances within 6 months prior to the competition.

Depends which fed you are talking. MOST say at least 5 years clean, some are lifetime.. I know quite a few natural Pro's including the current wnbf world champ, and a former WNBF world champ. They are lifetime natural.
I'm not the one being a dick. I'm not the one trying to cheat.

[neverfail]

You could just answer his question instead of being a dick. Almost every Natural Pro juices/has juiced give me a ****in break. The rules say you can't have done any of the illegal substances within 6 months prior to the competition.

I agree, from what I had gathered up to this point was that there is alot of cheating at natty shows. That doesn't make it right it's just a fact. With that said the person I'm asking these questions for has decided to do an untested show and not compromise his integrity. Thanks for all the comments even the sarcastic ethics lesson Prime.


Sorry about the double thread guys.

[dhriscerr]

I like this thread, who gets to decide whats cheating? I've always wondered why putting more natural recuring substance such as testosterone in your body is considered cheating, but puting more creatine which your body produces naturally or you can get from food isn't cheating? Is it just because it's legal? I mean FDA didn't even want the ban on Anabolics, but the govt put it on to help detour kids from using it. So Barry Bonds is cheating because he took steroids, but Tiger Woods can get surgery to make his vision 15/20 better than he has ever seen or was genetically possible for him so he can see the green and the slopes better and thats not cheating?? I've always had a problem with who gets to decide whats cheating and what is not?

[neverfail]

I like this thread, who gets to decide whats cheating? I've always wondered why putting more natural recuring substance such as testosterone in your body is considered cheating, but puting more creatine which your body produces naturally or you can get from food isn't cheating? Is it just because it's legal? I mean FDA didn't even want the ban on Anabolics, but the govt put it on to help detour kids from using it. So Barry Bonds is cheating because he took steroids, but Tiger Woods can get surgery to make his vision 15/20 better than he has ever seen or was genetically possible for him so he can see the green and the slopes better and thats not cheating?? I've always had a problem with who gets to decide whats cheating and what is not?

Very interesting thought.

[dhriscerr]

Also does that mean if your 35 and on HRT you can't compete in Natural Bodybuilding Comps???

[neverfail]

Also does that mean if your 35 and on HRT you can't compete in Natural Bodybuilding Comps???

Funny u ask that because the person I'm asking these questions for is 36 and never used large amounts of compounds but instead more HTR like doses. But these are good questions.

[BigBlack]

To answer your question. They only test the winners in each class now to save money and yes, you do piss in front of somebody.

[BigBlack]

The NANBF, WNBF, or any other natural league is BULLSH$T! There is nothing in the rule books that says a athlete can not use slin or igf-1.

[Prime]

I like this thread, who gets to decide whats cheating? I've always wondered why putting more natural recuring substance such as testosterone in your body is considered cheating, but puting more creatine which your body produces naturally or you can get from food isn't cheating? Is it just because it's legal? I mean FDA didn't even want the ban on Anabolics, but the govt put it on to help detour kids from using it. So Barry Bonds is cheating because he took steroids, but Tiger Woods can get surgery to make his vision 15/20 better than he has ever seen or was genetically possible for him so he can see the green and the slopes better and thats not cheating?? I've always had a problem with who gets to decide whats cheating and what is not?

It's cheating because it's against the rules, end of.
I have no contention with people using steroids, i simply dislike people cheating.
I'm glad to hear your 'friend' wont be competing in the natural feds neverfail.

[neverfail]

Thank you for your answering my questions BigBlack.

Prime thank you for adding your opinion to the conversation. Although dhriscerr and others my have a perspective which is not in total agreement with your personal philosophy I have enjoyed you sharing them with us.

The same goes for anyone else who has commented on this subject. Best Regards........nf

[Georgie]

It's cheating because it's against the rules, end of.
I have no contention with people using steroids, i simply dislike people cheating.
I'm glad to hear your 'friend' wont be competing in the natural feds neverfail.

I agree.

[dhriscerr]

I guess I can't argue the fact that its against the rules, clearly there in Black and White in the book, I guess I was more defending the fact that Steroids isnt cheating in general, but I missed the point of it being against the rules in a perticular Constest. However, do you look down upon Mark Mcgwire, Ben Johnson, and Shawn Merriman? You call them cheaters? Maybe Oportunist?

[bigsd67]

I guess I can't argue the fact that its against the rules, clearly there in Black and White in the book, I guess I was more defending the fact that Steroids isnt cheating in general, but I missed the point of it being against the rules in a perticular Constest. However, do you look down upon Mark Mcgwire, Ben Johnson, and Shawn Merriman? You call them cheaters? Maybe Oportunist?

This can all go back to the arguement of why steroids shouldn't be illegal. You can argue both sides well. Personally I enter natural shows being natural. However if one enters a show lying about it then I think it sucks. If someone is honest about their AAS use and enters non tested shows then I don't have a problem with it.

[getbig32]

here is my question prime says that the current world champ or whatever is a lifetime natural...how does he know i mean they dont have test to prove someone that is 40 never took anything at 20 or so on so how can you know for sure????? i mean as far as i know they still dont have a good test for GH and i know they cant test for slin soooooooooooo???

[Georgie]

here is my question prime says that the current world champ or whatever is a lifetime natural...how does he know i mean they dont have test to prove someone that is 40 never took anything at 20 or so on so how can you know for sure????? i mean as far as i know they still dont have a good test for GH and i know they cant test for slin soooooooooooo???

Here is my question... what kind of dick enters a natural contest all roided up? You have to have pretty low self esteem or something to have to cheat at a bodybuilding contest to beat a bunch of natural guys to make yourself feel good. And not that there is anything wrong with natural bodybuilders. I have seen many natural bodybuilders that have way better bodies than many unnatural bodybuilders. I see that as just not being able to hack it at untested shows. I can understand pro baseball players and football players etc. doing it to try and get an edge... there are millions and millions of dollars on the line. It's still cheating as it is clearly against the rules spelled out in black and white, but I understand why people do it. But there is no money on the line at these bodybuilding contests, except at the highest levels, and if you are cheating at a nautral bodybuiling contest you are definitley nowhere near there. Bodybuilding is purely for pride and self accomplishment. I am an unnatural bodybuilder and I for one would feel like a complete d-bag entering a tested natural bodybuilding contest.

[Benches505]

When doing a natural show how does the drug testing go? For example do they test before, after, during?

Do they stand over u while doing it?

Can u use someone else's urine? Or is it blood they take?

If it depends on the show, is there anyone competing in Flint MI on June 23?

Or is there anyone fimiliar with this contest and there testing methods?

Do the steroid cleansers work for passing this type of test?


Thank for any responses........nf

Come on now! leave the natty shows for natural people, why would you even want to compete in one?

[Rsox1]

if you can't talk about how to duck a juice test here, then where can you lol

[Prime]

here is my question prime says that the current world champ or whatever is a lifetime natural...how does he know i mean they dont have test to prove someone that is 40 never took anything at 20 or so on so how can you know for sure????? i mean as far as i know they still dont have a good test for GH and i know they cant test for slin soooooooooooo???

Well i know these people and so take them at their word.
Yes there are cheats in the natty feds, and you can't test for everything. Personally i think the whole testing thing is a bit of a mute point anyway, if you want to beat the test you probably will.
End of the day you have to hope that most people have the integrity not to cheat.

[doittoit]

if u knowingly go against the rules of a natural BB'ing fed to win a ****ing trophy, pretty damn pathetic. Anybody who is a nattty i have great respect for.

[scottish]

All my years of powerlifting I would only go to meets that were tested. There is no way I could compete with someone doing gear.

[lpicken]

Using juice and going to a natty comp is like being a starting varsity linebacker and then going to play at the junior high level and tearing the kids heads off. What's the point? What ar trying to prove?

[cookiemonstR]

Had to post my thoughts, yes, natural competitions are Tested, and, anyone with any common sense can figure out ways to get around that, but the question remains, why would anyone bother. Thats like going to an elementary school and picking on kids when your 45, its just not fair, and only a loser would do it. I'm sure there's lots of cheating going on in natural bodybuilding competitions, but that doesnt make it right.

Edit : I do know some "natural" bodybuilders who, no questoin to myself do all sorts of drugs but swear they're natural. Nothing makes me more annoyed than this.