T4 Synthroid (Levothyroxine Sodium)

[liftintheworld]

I want to buy some T4 and use it when i am not using Clen.
But i can not find any good information on what dose is a good safe dily dose.

One place tells me to work up and down like 25mcg/25mcg/50mcg/50mcg/100mcg/100mcg/100mcg/50mcg etc etc

But the another place tells it like this
100/200/300/300/300/300/200 etc...

So whats the right answer folks?

Your help is appreciated.

[SVTMuscle*]

T-4 is suppose to be ran at a higher dose, such as the second one. The 25/50/etc is probaly for T3.

I've been off and on T4 and made a thread a few days ago, and what I've seen to work best, is going 100/150/200/200 and stay at around 200, at such a mild dose there is no need to taper back down, and your thyroid recovers easily. There is no evidence that any long term damage is put onto your liver either so that helped my confidence about it also

[pimpdawgin]

I was also looking into T4 dosages, and would be interested in how this thread progresses. On this link http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamestsh.htm, it mentioned that one way to arrive at a final dose for hypothyroid people (long-term use) was 1mcg per 1 lb. of bodyweight. Although it was kind of vague on the source.

[mickdiesel]

so then that means if I only have 90 .1mg pills then I should stock up b4 starting. how much ar t3 should I get b4 I start a cycle? they come 30ml @ 100mcg/ml I think

[mickdiesel]

it comes 200mcg/ml from ar. my mstake. u think I need like 3?

[liftintheworld]

I was also looking into T4 dosages, and would be interested in how this thread progresses. On this link http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/shamestsh.htm, it mentioned that one way to arrive at a final dose for hypothyroid people (long-term use) was 1mcg per 1 lb. of bodyweight. Although it was kind of vague on the source.

Hey i love the ease of use of this, i just wonder if it's true... LOL

[liftintheworld]

so then that means if I only have 90 .1mg pills then I should stock up b4 starting. how much ar t3 should I get b4 I start a cycle? they come 30ml @ 100mcg/ml I think

remember people .1mg = 100mcg
easy to get all confused...

[liftintheworld]

T-4 is suppose to be ran at a higher dose, such as the second one. The 25/50/etc is probaly for T3.

I've been off and on T4 and made a thread a few days ago, and what I've seen to work best, is going 100/150/200/200 and stay at around 200, at such a mild dose there is no need to taper back down, and your thyroid recovers easily. There is no evidence that any long term damage is put onto your liver either so that helped my confidence about it also

So far i am with this guy that i quoted... as that's where my opinion was leaning after looking at way too many pages on this topic.

BUT... the only thing in my mind is this (not arguing with anybody just wondering) if T3 is the old drug and 100mcg is a good dose, then why would the newer T4 drug need a higher dose?


Many thanks to all so far for the participation.

[SVTMuscle*]

T4 turns into T3 during its process. T4 is milder, I believe the ratio, is 50mcgs of T4= 12.5mcgs of T3.

I prefer T4 because it seems to be safer in the long run

[Jay-Ace]

As stated....

T4 is very similar to T3 in that they are both Thyroid hormones, T4 is converted to T3 in the body but both T4 and T3 interact with tissues. (ie. T4 is not just unconverted T3).

The general ratio on checking your dosages is 1x T3 = 4x T4 So 25mcg T3 is roughly equivalent to the 100mcg T4 which you have.

I myself am on day 7 of a T4/Clen/Winstrol cycle. Currently I'm taking 500mcg T4 so this is roughly equal to 125mcg of T3.

I must point out that it is VERY important not to jump in with a T3 dosage without proper tapering or trialling your tolerances, due to the rapid absorbtion into the body of T3 you can cause thyrotoxic shock by getting it all wrong and do yourself some nasty damage.

It has been said that tapering your doasages is important, I would back this up and this is what I have been advised to do by a Thyroid specialist. However, the medical reserach in this I cannot confirm.Edited

People generally find T4 much better to use (this is also 1 reason why manufactureres and doctors are moving towards using T4 as much as possible) for a good reason....

T3 is very rapidly absorbed in teh small intestine and has a tendency to cause spiking of the hormone levels. T4 is absorbed much more slowly and then is converted to T3. This ensures that your T3 hormone levels are not up and down like a yo-yo all the time!!

Hope that helps

Jay

[Ejuicer]

As stated....

T4 is very similar to T3 in that they are both Thyroid hormones, T4 is converted to T3 in the body but both T4 and T3 interact with tissues. (ie. T4 is not just unconverted T3).

The general ratio on checking your dosages is 1x T3 = 4x T4 So 25mcg T3 is roughly equivalent to the 100mcg T4 which you have.

I myself am on day 7 of a T4/Clen/Winstrol cycle. Currently I'm taking 500mcg T4 so this is roughly equal to 125mcg of T3.

I must point out that it is VERY important to taper your dosages on and off, you can cause thyrotoxic shock by getting it all wrong and do yourself some nasty damage.

People generally find T4 much better to use (this is also 1 reason why manufactureres and doctors are moving towards using T4 as much as possible) for a good reason....

T3 is very rapidly absorbed in teh small intestine and has a tendency to cause spiking of the hormone levels. T4 is absorbed much more slowly and then is converted to T3. This ensures that your T3 hormone levels are not up and down like a yo-yo all the time!!

Hope that helps

Jay

Can you show me something that backs this statement?
Thyrotoxic shock is very rare and i've never heard of it having correlation with lack of a thyroid med taper. The only problem i've ever heard of with meds was with a massive overdose of them, other then that the problem usually comes from an untreated case of hyperthyroidism.

[Jay-Ace]

Can you show me something that backs this statement?
Thyrotoxic shock is very rare and i've never heard of it having correlation with lack of a thyroid med taper. The only problem i've ever heard of with meds was with a massive overdose of them, other then that the problem usually comes from an untreated case of hyperthyroidism.

This is the advice I was given by my Thyroid specialist at the hospital, I suffer from hypothyroidism.

That sentence doesn't actually convey as I intended it to do and as such I have amended it.

Jay

[RUI-Products]

You should never taper off. It just prolongs the recovery.

[*Narkissos*]

I want to buy some T4 and use it when i am not using Clen.
But i can not find any good information on what dose is a good safe dily dose.

Anywhere between 100 mcg-200 mcg is a 'good dose'.

200 mcg specifically...for me at least.

I don't believe thyroid hormones should be dosed excessively... 100-400mcg t4 is about equivalent to 25-100 mcg t3 respectively.

I plan t4-use with relation to the relative equivalent t3 dose.

I don't go over 100 mcg t3..so correspondingly i don't go over 400 mcg t4.

One place tells me to work up and down like 25mcg/25mcg/50mcg/50mcg/100mcg/100mcg/100mcg/50mcg etc etc

That's a t3 protocol.

But the another place tells it like this
100/200/300/300/300/300/200 etc...

That's more akin to a t4 protocol... with a ramp and taper.

I however don't ramp or taper.

-N

[bigstylios]

how long can one safely stay on t-4 while using gh?

[BigTurk]

I've been on it for last 2 months along w/ gh. planning to stay on for another 5 months.

[Dobie-BOY]

as far as the ramp and taper arguement, especially with a fast acting drug, such as T3, I would rather err on the safe side. If your not sure, take the safe course first, then experiment. JMO

[ALPHAMALE77]

I Am Just Now Finishing A Mild Clen /t4 Cycle...on The T4 I Went 50 Mcg For A Week And Then Up To 100 Mcg Then To 150mcg...and Then Thats It...no Taper..(and Thats All I Have To Say About That)

[horse choker]

how effective is t4 compared to things like eca and clen? does it give u a stimulate feeling?

[Ejuicer]

how effective is t4 compared to things like eca and clen? does it give u a stimulate feeling?

It doesn't feel like a stimulant, if anything you can get feeling a little run down when on it. As far as effectiveness, it is better than both eca and clen imo but considerably more effective if you combine it with the clen.

[Indymuscleguy]

Ok guys, you made me feel a lot better. My thyroid has been shut down due to Graves Disease. I am currently on prescription T-4 or Synthroid. I am on the 100mcg dose to start, which, doing my research, I weigh 185lbs and that seems to be above the average taper of 25-50-75-100 etc.

I complained to my endocrinologist of the rapid weight gain from shutting down the Thyroid/TSH and told him that the weight gain is unacceptable. I don't know if that is the reason why he prescribed the 100mcg, however, he made a clear statement that for my bodyweight and the low K+ PPS that I developed, which nearly killed me, that he didn't want to fool around with the smaller doses.

So from this I understand the following:

1. T-4 converts to T-3 at a ratio of 3:1
2. T-3 will affect GH release
3. If my endocrinologist increases my T-4 to 150mcg for life, this will be sufficient to increase my metabolism, increase my release of T-3 AND increase GH or IGF-1 values?

If the above is correct, I should shed the weight and increase relase of GH. Right? If so I am thrilled

[Indymuscleguy]

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[Indymuscleguy]

bump..bump for more...

[Indymuscleguy]

one more bump. Again, thanks for the info so far...