Beginner Oral Cycle

[Agra]

I would like some advice on my beginner oral cycle. Now before you all start saying that orals are no good and that I should be used injectables instead, please note that I already have several hundred andriol caps so I am going to use them.

I was trying to research if to use andriol on its own or in a cycle. Several sites are saying that as a oral cycle, andriol is best used with anavar. Does anyone have advice on this?

If I did use andriol and anavar together, would the below cycle be suitable? Plus would I need anything else to control estrogen, or even HPTA after the cycle? What would you recommend?

Week 1:
4 x Andriol 40mg
1 x Anavar 10mg

Week 2:
4 x Andriol 40mg
1 x Anavar 10mg

Week 3:
6 x Andriol 40mg
2 x Anavar 10mg

Week 4:
8 x Andriol 40mg
3 x Anavar 10mg

Week 5:
6 x Andriol 40mg
3 x Anavar 10mg

Week 6:
6 x Andriol 40mg
2 x Anavar 10mg

Week 7:
6 x Andriol 40mg
1 x Anavar 10mg

Week 8:
4 x Andriol 40mg
1 x Anavar 10mg


Thanks for your advice.

[Titleist]

Those dosages are too low to see any benefits muscularly. I'd suggest you stick around and research a bit before starting.

Each 40mg gel cap of Andriol has an ester that takes up roughly 15mg, meaning you only get 25mg per capsule. It can become expensive use these in a cycle.

Also, 10mg of Var/ED is a girls dose.

BTW, welcome to the board.

[Agra]

Thanks Titleist,

The cost is not really an issue when it comes to the andriol, I can always get more. As for the anavar, I am limited to 100 x 10mg tabs. If you were to work out a cycle plan based on andriol and anavar, what would it be?

[longhorn814]

are you female? that looks like a female cycle!! lol Ok, all kidding aside...Actually what are your stats? Have you done much research? I dont know much about andriol, but its not effective and I know you need to take more of it. 10mg var/day is a girls dose, you need at least 50mg/day...i take 80/day...I would do more research

[Lexed]

10mg of anavar is noting.... unless u are a girl then its a different story

[Titleist]

Thanks Titleist,

The cost is not really an issue when it comes to the andriol, I can always get more. As for the anavar, I am limited to 100 x 10mg tabs. If you were to work out a cycle plan based on andriol and anavar, what would it be?

Personally man, I have never ran Andriol. However, if I was going to run it I would start at 4 a day and see what happened. If the sides were nil and what not, I would up it to 6 a day, hopefully working my way up to around 8 or so. I beieve x moe uses it, PM him about it and see what he thinks.

As far as the Anavar, the lowest I would run it is 40mg/ED. At that dose, you would only have enough for 25 days. A waste of money IMO. You need to get more. I would run it at 60mg/ED for preferrably 6 weeks, if I were you.

Good luck.

[Agra]

OK, How does this look...

Week 1 - 2:
6 x 40mg Andriol
2 x 10mg Anavar

Week 3 - 6:
8 x 40mg Andriol
4 x 10mg Anavar

Week 6 - 8
4 x 40mg Andriol
2 x 10mg Anavar

Is 8 weeks too long for a beginner cycle?

There one thing I am not too "up on", and thats ending a cycle. Am I right to decrease the dose towards the end of the cycle? Also after week 8, is there nothing else to worry about, based on having taken andriol and anavar?

I also quote this from another webiste:
Nolvadex is not needed as an anti-estrogen.
Clomid is not needed to raise natural testosterone levels in your body system.
HCG is not needed to raise natural testosterone levels in your body system.

So if this is correct, I just stop taking anything after week 8 and my body will return to normal? Don't know much about HPTA.

P.S.... Male, 22, 6ft 2in, 10-6st

[Lexed]

imo you shouldnt be running 2 orals.... rather run var for 6 weeks but at a constant 40mg

[Agra]

Thats what I wanted to know

I only have andriol at the moment but didn't know if to add anavar or not. If you were to just run andriol, would that also be over 6 weeks?

[Kratos]

imo you shouldnt be running 2 orals.... rather run var for 6 weeks but at a constant 40mg

andriol is not going to make the liver unhappy, not 17aa. This cycle is not good though.

[Lexed]

agra very few I doubt if any bodybuilders ever used andriol. It is very expensive and gives bare min results

[Agra]

I am aware that not many people like it, however I have several hundred which I do not want to waste. Plus like I said, cost is NOT an issue

[Lexed]

if you go through a andriol only cycle You shoul DEFF make a log since its so rare for somone to use andriol for bodybuilding im sure alot of people will be intrested in seeing the results

[Agra]

Yer sure, I am relatively thin anyway so any gains are going to clearly show.

I just need to make sure I am using the right gear first tho

[Kratos]

andriol should work as good as any test only you have to take a butt load of it

[Lexed]

run a andriol only cycle save the var for another cycle

[Agra]

For my first cycle, would you recommend 6 or 8 weeks?

Maybe more or less?

[Lexed]

sorry man I cant really help you out there I have no idea how andriol should be cycled

[Kratos]

If my understanding of this substance is correct it is like TNE once it gets into your body because the ester is cleaved by the lymphatic system. Assuming this is true (not positive it is so mabe someone can give a second opinion) I would go 8 weeks, don't taper your dosage around, and take like 12 caps a day (4 x 3 times a day).

[Agra]

I believe you are correct on that.

I look forward to coming back with a review which will finally sets the record straight about andriol.

[Titleist]

OK, How does this look...

Week 1 - 2:
6 x 40mg Andriol
2 x 10mg Anavar20mg of Var is not ideal. Up the dose.

Week 3 - 6:
8 x 40mg AndriolAdjust your dosage as you see necessary, not by the week.
4 x 10mg Anavar

Week 6 - 8
4 x 40mg Andriol
2 x 10mg Anavar

Is 8 weeks too long for a beginner cycle?Not with the compounds you are running.

There one thing I am not too "up on", and thats ending a cycle. Am I right to decrease the dose towards the end of the cycle? Also after week 8, is there nothing else to worry about, based on having taken andriol and anavar?Pyramiding isn't practiced by many, and IMO isn't ideal.

I also quote this from another webiste:
Nolvadex is not needed as an anti-estrogen.
Clomid is not needed to raise natural testosterone levels in your body system.
HCG is not needed to raise natural testosterone levels in your body system.
Nolvadex and Clomid are SERM's, research them. HCG isn't needed for your cycle, IMO.
So if this is correct, I just stop taking anything after week 8 and my body will return to normal? Don't know much about HPTA.Research, research, research. A PCT is needed after every cycle.

P.S.... Male, 22, 6ft 2in, 10-6st10.6 Stone isn't that like 150lbs?

My comments are in bold. I suggest you research more before taking any exogenous hormones.

imo you shouldnt be running 2 orals....

Why not? Especially with the two orals being Var and Andriol.

[Lexed]

even though andriol isnt a 17alk it is still liver toxic at the doses he is taking and var is also liver toxic he wants to do this cycle for 8 weeks. Its alot of strain on the liver

[Titleist]

even though andriol isnt a 17alk it is still liver toxic at the doses he is taking and var is also liver toxic he wants to do this cycle for 8 weeks. Its alot of strain on the liver

Incorrect sir. The method through which Andriol work is very unique in that it is hardly liver toxic. Don't let the whole 200mg of Test/ED fool you, the body reacts much differently to this form. I would consider running this for over 10 weeks and I bet would be willing to bet my liver values would all be in normal range.

I also know gentlemen that have run Var for 10weeks at high dosages and their livers were fine. Their lipid profiles were the only thing abnormal.

Do I think an Andriol/Var cycle is a good one? Negative. But, it will be hardly liver toxic for the duration he wants to run it.

[Kratos]

even though andriol isnt a 17alk it is still liver toxic at the doses he is taking and var is also liver toxic he wants to do this cycle for 8 weeks. Its alot of strain on the liver

I know you are just looking out for the dude's liver but andriol and var (at the dosage presented) are really very gentile on the liver. I don't think andriol fights with the liver whatsoever, at least no more than injecting test.

[rabidsquirrel]

if your reason for doing an Andriol only cycle is because there free or very cheap then find another drug to abuse. im tried of people saying this is what i have or this is all i can get. there all excuses to doing what ever you want. i can get test cheat as fu**, but im not doing a gram of test a week. sit down and read. maybe find a few sources. just do it right, and most people are gonna tell you all oral cycle is not right. if your scaired of needles then your not ready for aas. but what do i know.

[longhorn814]

OK, How does this look...

Week 1 - 2:
6 x 40mg Andriol
2 x 10mg Anavar

Week 3 - 6:
8 x 40mg Andriol
4 x 10mg Anavar

Week 6 - 8
4 x 40mg Andriol
2 x 10mg Anavar

Is 8 weeks too long for a beginner cycle?

There one thing I am not too "up on", and thats ending a cycle. Am I right to decrease the dose towards the end of the cycle? Also after week 8, is there nothing else to worry about, based on having taken andriol and anavar?

I also quote this from another webiste:
Nolvadex is not needed as an anti-estrogen.
Clomid is not needed to raise natural testosterone levels in your body system.
HCG is not needed to raise natural testosterone levels in your body system.

So if this is correct, I just stop taking anything after week 8 and my body will return to normal? Don't know much about HPTA.

P.S.... Male, 22, 6ft 2in, 10-6st

Have you read this?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199828

I think you would be better off spending your money on food than on andriol. If you gain 5 lbs off that, I would be shocked!! That anavar dose is too low too. 50mg every day minimum...if you cant get more dont even bother taking it

[Kratos]

Have you read this?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199828

I think you would be better off spending your money on food than on andriol. If you gain 5 lbs off that, I would be shocked!! That anavar dose is too low too. 50mg every day minimum...if you cant get more dont even bother taking it

"we’re going to need to take at least 2 caps with each dose if we want to see any sort of anabolic effect, and if we’re taking it every 4 hours (assuming we’re awake for 16hrs every day), then we’ll be taking around 8 caps per day. Now we’ve shifted the problem away from the effort needed to take an effective does to being a problem with economics." Quote from the profile.

What's the problem the guy says he is planning on taking 8 caps a day? The anavar dose is laughable though.

[longhorn814]

"we’re going to need to take at least 2 caps with each dose if we want to see any sort of anabolic effect, and if we’re taking it every 4 hours (assuming we’re awake for 16hrs every day), then we’ll be taking around 8 caps per day. Now we’ve shifted the problem away from the effort needed to take an effective does to being a problem with economics." Quote from the profile.

What's the problem the guy says he is planning on taking 8 caps a day? The anavar dose is laughable though.

out of that whole 8 weeks, there is only 3 weeks where he takes 8 caps a day...he says he can get more...like i said spend money on food instead!!