start in 18 yo

[andryc]

Who had started run AAS in 18 yo?

This is my first cycle wich I'm running now:

wk1- 400mg deca inject
wk2-4 200mg deca+30mg stanabol (tab)/ ed
wk5-7 200mg deca+30mg stanabol+tribulus 3 tab/ed
wk8-9 tribulus 3 tab/ed

What are you thinking about it?
And what was your first cycle?
I'm interesting only who had first cycle in 18 yo

[Kale]

"What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

Designer Labs President / CEO *

[browboy]

Great article and post!

[andryc]

Thanx. Great article!
I have trained for 2 years with trainer,
155lbs no fat
What you think about my cycle? my friends told me that my cycle is very mild, so it's nothing to be afraid of it (backside,gyno,etc.)

[domeyeahaigh]

yeah your friends are the same age as you bro, you are 155 and 18 yo you have been training 2 years, you are going to do some serious damage to yourself

ps. your cycle is lame man, and tribulus is not going to boost your natty test back up, everyone else here will tell you the same thing reconsider everything you are doing
researchct

if you choose to go ahead and continue running your stack (highly unadvised) get some test e pronto

good luck.

[Atomini]

Oh good lord....

Buddy, you have no business using steroids right now. 2 years experience, 155 lbs. and 18 years old? Go to the grocery store and try some of what's there.

You will fvck your body's endocrine system for life if you use steroids that young. If you've been training for 2 years so far, then wait AT LEAST until you are 21. At that point if you've been training, resting, and eating right, then you will be large enough and have a large enough base of natural muscle to make excellent gains on steroids (and be able to keep them).

Do yourself a favor and don't touch this stuff until you are at least 20/21 if you're that eager.

[andryc]

I'm sorry.It's not a reclam. look at this man,he has 18yo at the photo
How do you think when he started to run aas?

http://www.steroid.ru/foto_287.htm

[CheddaNips]

you need to use the search button bro. You are running deca wit no test and you have no PCT except for trib? Ya that dude started roids at 14, but gis hair is thinning and he will proably have a lot of problems down the road. Have fun gettin your lil guy to stand at attention.

[Lexed]

ANdre prevet tebe ne nado cechas polzivate steroids. pavaire ya natchal kagda mne bela 18 tepier mnoga prooblem.

[andryc]

mne trener naznachil,on govorit chto vse budet ok.mne trudno zdes vse eto objasnyt. vsja nadejda na Tribulus.U nas on posilnee (bolgarija).Navernoe nado pisat po anglicki ato zabanjat.U menja postov malo,ubjet admin.

I'm sorry.

[Lexed]

andry do you have aim?

[andryc]

aim?- BB. 1-2 cycles and then I will see what to do next.

[Lexed]

andry try to get 25 posts so I can send you a pm

[andryc]

Ok I will try

[andryc]

Sorry I'm going to watch F1 (Hamilton has problem!)

[Big]

wow, 18 and proposing a simply awful cycle. Listen to the advise people are giving you for your own good.

[ottomaddox]

He's not proposing this awfull cycle, he's running it right now.
18 years old and taking steroids is not a good idea. You have a lot of natural testosterone floating around in your system, well maybe not a lot now because of the Deca you're taking, that you can make steroid like gains just by eating correctly and training smart.
By the way how far into this cycle are you?

wow, 18 and proposing a simply awful cycle. Listen to the advise people are giving you for your own good.

[football2007]

I'm thinking you have no idea what you are doing, thats what I am thinking

155? Cmon now..at least get over 200

[Amorphic]

i'm shaking my head at this. deca is not a mild steroid, perhaps in terms of side effects yes, but overall you dont seem to understand the properties of the compounds you are putting into your body. you're going to have to learn this the hard way, you've made a poor choice.

[andryc]

in metric syst.
am
W-70kg x 2,2=155lbs
H-176 cm

By the way how far into this cycle are you?

To..ottomaddox
I have a sore throat.(t*).I will start in 6-8 day.
I'm still thinking about....this new life.(cycle).And "Listen to the advise people are giving you for your own good".

[J*U*icEd]

in metric syst.
am
W-70kg x ?2,2=155lbs? ?yes or not
H-176sm x/= "'?

By the way how far into this cycle are you?

To..ottomaddox
I have a sore throat.(t*).Start...on the 6-8 day.
I'm still thinking about....this new life.(cycle).And "Listen to the advise people are giving you for your own good".

what???... if you mean ur 6-8 days in then stop now!!... but if thats not how long uve been on i don't understand ur post.... does anybody else??

[AandF6969]

You need to eat more. Plain and simple.

If you can't gain weight past 155 lbs, your diet and/or training sucks.

Do you know how many calories you eat every day?

[andryc]

I WILL start the cycle in 7 days because I'm ill now

"Do you know how many calories you eat every day?"
I try to eat every 2.5-3.5 hours 6 times a day. I don't know how many calories there is (I think there are enough)
I have training 3 times a week an 1.5-2 hours a day

[Kale]

Think we need to cut this one loose guys.

[andryc]

Thanks guys!
Thanks to the article http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010 I counted how much calories i need = 3275cal a day
I eat 2700-3000 cal . So maybe this is a problem why I progress (lbs) so slow
Only because of slow increase of weight I hoped that cycle will help
So what to do now? Wait for a 2-3 months with 3300ccal/day? Or better take deca?

[legobricks]

Id say wait and see how your diet treats you. Try to intake more than that, like 3500 cals or more if you can. you should start to see some growth and strength gains without the deca. ARe you intaking any type of supplements currently? like, creatine, amino acids, whey protein? How is your sleeping pattern? You say you workout 3 times a week for 1.5-2 hours, how is your workouts split? Also you may have answered this but how long have you been lifting?

[Atomini]

There's no hope here in this situation, this guy is going to go off and do what he wants to do and that's that. It's guys like these that make me question why they even bother asking questions in the first place if they're going to go off and do it anyways despite what they should do (rather than what they want to do).

EDIT: Correction, he is already on this cycle, so what's the point anyways.

[legobricks]

There's no hope here in this situation, this guy is going to go off and do what he wants to do and that's that. It's guys like these that make me question why they even bother asking questions in the first place if they're going to go off and do it anyways despite what they should do (rather than what they want to do).

EDIT: Correction, he is already on this cycle, so what's the point anyways.

I agree and it makes me wonder myself. Maybe after so many people giving him sound advice he will make the right desicion but thats only hoping. And i thought that he was going to start it in a week due to him being ill??? maybe i misread something, anyways, hopefully he'll make the right descision and either stop now or just not do it, create a good cycle, and wait a couple years. I gaurentee you if he was taking creatine and a good nitric oxide booster coupled with an awesome workout and diet he would def. blow up and be real happy! honestly at his age id rather do that then take the deca by itself, little do people realize that you can make real nice gains without the use of AAS!

[AandF6969]

Post your diet in the diet forum and we'll fix it. Even if you do a cycle, with a shitty diet you'll get shitty results. Steroids aren't magic, they need raw materials to build muscle, aka calories.

[andryc]

AandF6969.Thanks to the article http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282
Really good post bro.

[AandF6969]

AandF6969.Thanks to the article http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=167282
Really good post bro.

Thanks, hope it helped.

The 3300 calories you need... is that your maintenance calories? Or is that what you need to gain weight?

[andryc]

37 World Championship 2007 Powerlifting

Mans results. That's interesting.

...................| body |
56 kg=121lbs | weight |kg | kg | kg | total result kg | ! 1kg=2.2lbs.
1.Fedosienko Sergey RUS 55.10: 280, 177.5, 242.5, = 700 kg WR! = 1540 lbs
2. Lu Shih Wu TPE 55.20: 255, 120, 255 , = 630
3. Isagawa Hiroyuki JPN 55.60: 220, 185, 220, = 625

60 kg=132lbs
1.Hsieh Tsung Ting TPE 58.90: 260, 192.5, 270, = 722.5 kg =1588.84 lbs
2.Pavlov Konstantin RUS 58.90: 267.5, 187.5, 215, = 670
3.Sato Yoshihiro JPN 59.60: 235, 182.5, 220, = 637.5

67,5 kg=148.5lbs
1. Kazakov Ravil 1982 RUS 67.2: 310, 222.5, 245, = 777,5 kg =1710.5 lbs
2. El Bel***tti Hassan 1975 FRA 67.4: 267.5, 155, 292.5, =715
3. Koiwai Masaharu 1976 JPN 67.3: 245, 177.5, 290, =712,5

75 kg=165lbs
1. Olech Jaroslaw 1974 POL 74,3: 350, 200, 310, = 860 kg=1892 lbs
2. Hooper Wade 1971 USA 74,6: 342.5, 235, 252.5, =830
3. Govorin Alexander 1985 RUS 74,6: 320, 175, 320, = 815

- 82,5 kg=181.5lbs
1. Turakhanov Davranbek 1974 KAZ 80.2: 332.5, 217.5, 322.5, =872,5 kg=1919.5 lbs
2. Bogdanov Sergey 1985 RUS 82.1: 330, 232.5, 310, =872,5
3. Ricks David 1959 USA 81.8: 317.5, 215, 320, =852,5

- 90 kg=198lbs
1. Belyaev Andrey 1983 RUS 89.4; 380, 257.5, 340, = 977,5 kg=2150.5 lbs
2. ***rardi Daniele 1969 ITA 89.7 ; 310, 240, 330, =880,
3. Krymov Andriy 1985 UKR 89.8 ; 315, 285, 280, = 880,

- 100 kg=220lbs
1. Tarasenko Andrey 1975 RUS 96.0: 385, 265, 347.5, = 997,5 kg=2194.5 lbs
2. Lebedko Konstantin 1981 RUS 98.8: 375, 262.5, 340, = 977,5
3. Pevnev Sergiy 1978 UKR 97.1: 362.5, 262.5, 335, =960

- 110 kg=242lbs
1. Barkhatov Maxim 1981 RUS 109.4: 395, 275, 380, = 1050 kg =2310 lbs
2. Rokochiy Oleksiy 1981 UKR 108.1: 390, 260, 350, = 1000
3. Sarik Tomas 1975 CZE 109.3: 345, 255, 335, = 935

- 125 kg =275lbs-
1. Cardella Tony 1977 USA 124.3: 390, 265, 367.5,= 1022,5 kg =2249.5 lbs
2. Henry Clive 1966 GBR 122.4: 425, 260, 322.5,= 1007,5
3. Shepil Oleksandr 1987 UKR 120.5: 400, 240, 360, = 1000

125+ kg =275lbs+
1. Bondarenko Vladimir 1978 RUS 158.3: 435, 280, 377.5, = 1092.5 =2403.5 lbs
2. Gillingham Brad 1966 USA 147.9: 385, 277.5, 390, = 1052.5
3. Lehto Ove 1972 FIN 145.7: 390, 317.5, 342.5, = 1050


My lbs=155,=(70 kg), So how much I must eat and run steroid cycles to achive 70-80% WR never in one's life?

[andryc]

37 Wourld Championship Powerlifting

Womens results......Hey mans What do you think of it?........ Yes we(mans) are in need of- AAS!!!.. no no no wait wait wait

Womens


- 48kg =105.6 lbs

1. Chen Wei Ling TPE 46.7,: 197.5, 75, 185, = 457.5 kg =1006.5 lbs
2. Fukushima Yukako JPN 46.6,: 170, 122.5, 160, = 452,5kg
3. Vermenyuk Valentina RUS 46.8,: 167.5, 92.5, 165, =425,kg

- 52 kg =114.4lbs
1. Klymenko Kateryna 1985 UKR 52.0,: 167.5, 120, 175, = 462,5 kg=1017.5 lbs
2. Chou Yi Ju 1980 TPE 50.8,: 175, 85, 190, = 450,kg
3. Rantala Hanna 1982 FIN 51.6,: 167.5, 115, 167.5, = 450,kg

- 56 kg =123.2lbs
1. Filimonova Inna 1976 RUS 55.2,: 222.5, 112.5, 192.5, = 527.5 kg =1160.5 lbs
2. Ryzkova Anna 1986 RUS 55.7,: 202.5, 120, 190, = 512.5 kg
3. Prymenchuk Tetyana 1972 UKR 55.7,: 190, 122.5, 165, = 477.5 kg

- 60 kg =132 lbs
1. Poletaeva Irina 1982 RUS 59.3,: 200, 155, 187.5 , = 542.5 kg=1193.5 lbs
2. Hsu Hsiao Li 1981 TPE 60.0,: 202.5, 100, 210, = 512.5 kg
3. v.Bachhaus Gundula Fiona 1981 GER 59.2,: 190, 132.5, 187.5 = 510 kg

- 67,5 kg =148.5 lbs
1. Potselueva Galina 1980 RUS 67.3,: 252.5, 152.5, 215, = 620 kg =1364 lbs
2. Solovyova Larysa 1978 UKR 66.9,: 212.5, 162.5, 230, = 605 kg
3. Ribic Priscilla 1972 USA 67.0,: 235, 125, 230, = 590 kg

- 75 kg =165 lbs
1. Zaugolova Yulia 1981 RUS 70.2,: 260, 155, 225, = 640 kg =1408 lbs
2. Blikra Inger 1961 NOR 73.6,: 230, 132.5, 215, = 577.5 kg
3. Ivanova Elizaveta 1988 UKR 69.7,: 230, 120, 205, = 555 kg

- 90 kg =198 lbs -
1. Strik Ielja 1973 NED 87.2,: 255, 175, 232.5 = 662.5 kg =1457.5 lbs
2. Shcheglova Valeria 1983 RUS 88.6,: 250, 162.5, 220, = 632.5 kg
3. Orobets Inna 1971 UKR 89.5,: 237.5, 155, 212.5 = 605 kg

90+ kg =198 lbs +
1. Lugovaya Irina 1974 RUS 100.4,: 265, 180, 235, = 680 kg =1496 lbs
2. O'Donnell Jessica 1980 USA 95.9,: 250, 170, 232.5, = 652.5 kg
3. Schaefer Joanne 1967 NED 97.7,: 230, 167.5, 220, = 617.5 kg

!!! 7. Beer Rosemarie.. 1945..62 yo. AUT 90.3,: 175, 125, 180, = 480 kg =1056 lbs !!!

[andryc]

Thanks, hope it helped.

The 3300 calories you need... is that your maintenance calories? Or is that what you need to gain weight?

3300 I need to gain one pound a week (roughly)
I don't know but I'm thinking that I'll put off the cycle for a year
Look at the women's and men's results of championship, of course I want to take it, but maybe I'll wait
My friend from 15 to 17 yo had been used 4 ! cycles(metan,deca,stanabol,primobolan...),and he is still alive
But he is strong. he lift 308 lbs (on the breast sorry I don't know how to say it raightly)

[andryc]

you need to use the search button bro. You are running deca wit no test and you have no PCT except for trib? Ya that dude started roids at 14, but gis hair is thinning and he will proably have a lot of problems down the road. Have fun gettin your lil guy to stand at attention.

Here in our region almost everybody think that the first cycle before 20/21 yo can't be a syntetic test. PCT= Tribulus.

[nowdenlid]

Here in our region almost everybody think that the first cycle before 20/21 yo can't be a syntetic test. PCT= Tribulus.

go ahead and do what you want ,you are going to do it anyway.

[Amorphic]

Here in our region almost everybody think that the first cycle before 20/21 yo can't be a syntetic test. PCT= Tribulus.

this makes my head spin, absolutely retarded. dont listen to anyone in your 'region'

[Atomini]

Enjoy having a non-fuctioning penis for the rest of your life.

[Atomini]

And don't be surprised if it's near impossible for you to have children in the future.

For your sake, you should read this interview: http://www.t - n a t i o n .com/read...ydra?id=856980

[AandF6969]

And don't be surprised if it's near impossible for you to have children in the future.

For your sake, you should read this interview: http://www.t - n a t i o n .com/read...ydra?id=856980

link didn't work...

NM I got it