This is my good friend who won the 2004 mr utah title. He is 5'4" and about 198lbs in this picture. He is a very established and successful personal trainer, and at this time also owned the pro shop in the gym I was at. This keep in mind was in 2004 when the whole pro hormone frenzy was going on. He claims that for the entire year he prepared for this show he used nothing but the pro hormones and diet pills found in his shop. I believe him, dont see why he would lie, especialy to a personal friend. What do you guys think. The reason I posted this was because seeing all the prohormones post in the Q&A remonded me of this.