Dianabol (Dbol)

[dragonfinger]

Hi Guys i am now starting on my first cycle of dbol, i am a healthy 23 year old male weighing in at around 12 stone. I usually dont have to many problems with acne so do you think this will lessen the chance of me getting this side effect? also do i have to take these other supplements i hear people taling about such as milk thistle and alpha lipoic acid or is this people ust being extra safe. Also my training regime will consist of about 4 - 5 occasions a week of about and hour and a half a time, my eating plan is ok, i wake up to oats and bran flakes, usually followed by some sort of protein a couple of hours later, lunch is usually pasta and chicken, after work out I have a post work out protein drink and for tea i have a large meal usually containing chicken, if my days are longer than usual i try to get protein every few hours, does this all seem ok?

[PT]

d-bol definatly dosnt make the best cycle especially for a 1st but since you already started i wont waste my breath on explaining that. how long are you running the d-bol and at what dose?

[dragonfinger]

ive been advised by a dbol taker to do 200 tabs over 5 weeks, starting with 4 for the 1st week, 5 for the second, 6 for the 3rd, 8 for the 4th and back down to 4 for the last. I am not looking major massive gains just a boost by a stone and a bit so i was advised dbol was the best way to start as i have tried week supplements such as stacks containing hmb, creatine, zma, pharmacutical grade protein, weight gainers even methoxyflavone but gains were minimal. what cycle would you usually suggest?

[PT]

thats a horrible cycle. first off its not a good idea to pyramid the dose and 2nd test would of made a much better cycle

[dragonfinger]

well so far i have only done one day of taking 4 tabs so what would you suggest from here?

[Ernst]

What are your stats? If you're only on day one I think perhaps you should just stop now before you maybe do something you regret.

[PT]

if you already started and dont have any test then i dont really know what to say. first off i wouldnt pyramid the dose. i would stick with a dose between 40-60mgs a day and split it up throughout the day. i would also take armidex to help lower the water retention so you dont puff up like a blow fish and lose all the weight you gained when you come off

[dragonfinger]

im 5 ft 11, 23 yrs old, 12 stone, body fat percentage is 14.5%. Why do you think i will regret it? I have a few friends on it who have far from regretted it

[PT]

what is your pct like?

[dragonfinger]

pietro what are the results of pyramiding the tabs? initially i thought the same as you to have them a set amount and split throughout the day. I heard that taking too high doages can be liver toxic.

[PT]

it can be which is why you never go to high. what is your dosage? pyramiding is just a waste bro, pick a dose and stick with it for the entire 5-6 week cycle and like i said, split that dose up throughout the day.

[dragonfinger]

what is pct, i keep hearing this but unsure what it means

[Ernst]

I just worry that if that seemed like a good cycle to you that perhaps you are unaware of things like arimidex or other compounds (like those used for pct), and might end up suffering from side effects, or not being able to hold onto any gains, etc. There's no harm in researching and doing your best to get everything just right. I just want to hear about all the good things that happened for you, that's all. CAN you do a dbol only? Short answer: yes. I personally wouldn't.

[dragonfinger]

a tthe moment my dosage is just 20mg a day, i thought its best to start low as before this the most by body had taken in one go is protein, creatine, zma and methoxy max

[Ernst]

PCT- post cycle therapy

[dragonfinger]

cheers ernsthatangst i have been researching the other compounds but im a little unaware stilla t the moment, by the sounds of things i definetly need a post dbol compound for when i come off of it and also armidex i have ordered now

[Ernst]

There's some good info for you on pct in the stickies at the top of the PCT Forum.

[PT]

use .25mgs of armidex during the cycle and nolva and aromasin for pct the day after your last pill and continue it for 3 weeks

[Ernst]

Also, go to members cycle results, as I recall a guy called Obro has run a couple of dbol only cycles before. You may learn something from his experiences. You may have to look back a little bit, these threads aren't current, but they're somewhat recent. Make sure diet and training are in order. Good luck whatever you decide to do.

[dragonfinger]

ernst, do you think this stack will be ok with a good regime then

dianabol
milk thistle
clomid for pct

???????????????

[prosser]

have you tried 50mg anadrol yet i used them also with dianabol

[Ernst]

I take it you're not pyramiding? What dosages did you have planned for each? Milk thistle is good. Some people are telling me about a supp called Liv52 that's supposedly better, but I haven't really researched it. Clomid only pct can be done, but it's certainly not ideal- beats nothing, though. You're not intending to use clomid alongside dbol, correct? I would think 6wks. @ 40mg dbol ed (split dosage during day), running milk thistle alongside, something like arimidex if needed too. Start pct 24hrs after last pill, the one Pietro recommended would do fine, if you already have clomid you can use it too, just make sure to adjust dosages as need be. And, of course diet blah, blah, training, blah,blah.... Good luck.

[Ernst]

Prosser, you used 50mg anadrol with dbol? What did you liver ever do to you that you hate it so much?

[dragonfinger]

im only running the milk thistle alongside the dbol and im not pyramiding as such, i thought i would stick to just 20mg split throughout the day for the 1st cycle then up after week 1 just not to shock my body too much, i was going to go for clomi but think i will gio for nolva instead now.

[prosser]

i take one 50mg anadrol and 4 5mg dianabol a day my strength levels have gone through the roof. i also drink loads of water and take milk thistle too.

[Ernst]

^^ Do not do this!!!

[T_Own]

lol no that sounds terrible.. even with milk thistle your liver is gonna be stressed so badly and you could get the same gains from just one of those.

[Emilio_Rebenga]

if you've only done 1 day worth i would say

STOP YOUR CYCLE!!!!!!!!!!!


Clearly you are NOT ready for AAS...you have to do alot of reading and studying brother...I see a huge disaster happening if you dont stop it now


Read and educate yourself..Learn about PCT and what would make a good 1st cycle


ask questions once you've think you got a good 1st cycle and we will critique it

[legobricks]

i take one 50mg anadrol and 4 5mg dianabol a day my strength levels have gone through the roof. i also drink loads of water and take milk thistle too.

Horrible advice.


Now back to the thread-starter....

The cycle that your going to be doing is horrible, your knowledge is sub-par, and your diet is probably crap. If you read up on cycles, PCT, dieting, AAS, you'll know hta tyour buddy's own personal advice is pretty crappy.

[dragonfinger]

legobricks that reply was pointless you have offered no advice what so ever, other members have commented and offered solutions but all you have done is just been negative with no help

[Ernst]

Emilio brings up a good point, though- remember my first posts; and Pietro's. Dbol only is not recommended. I threw some bones 'cause most people are just gonna do what they're gonna do, and I don't want you getting hurt, but... yeah, day 2, not to late to stop... that would probably be best... again, good luck whatever you decide...

[dragonfinger]

the only thing is i know a few people that have done dbol only cycles and have done well out of them so makes me think it can be ok, i have ordered some arimidex and nolva now and also got some milk thistle today, do you think this will be sufficient?

[Ernst]

Good rule of thumb is to never begin until you have everything you need. What if your stuff doesn't arrive? Then you're screwed. If you stop now you've taken all of 20 or 30 mgs? I'm guessing you'll recover alright on your own. You can start again when you get your stuff if you're that determined to do this cycle. Plus, you'll have more time to research. By the way, saw your diet outline- needs some work.

[Emilio_Rebenga]

the only thing is i know a few people that have done dbol only cycles and have done well out of them so makes me think it can be ok, i have ordered some arimidex and nolva now and also got some milk thistle today, do you think this will be sufficient?

ok dragonfighter..im not flaming you but i will be blunt with you

FUK WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU THINK YOU KNOW, IF YOU KNEW SOMETHING YOU WOULDNT BE DOING WHAT YOURE DOING

LISTEN


if you know ppl who have done it and they are ok, then keep this in mind, everyones body reacts differently...see them in about 10yrs for not cycling properly...and if you listen to us and take our advice you will be ok..
TRUST ME ON THIS

Theres is nothing I would like to see more than have someone be educated on what they're going to put into their body and do it in a smart way...ALL OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO HAVE CYCLED LIKE THIS WILL BE HIT WITH COMPLICATIONS LATER ON IN LIFE DUE TO POOR CYCLING KNOWLEDGE..you can take that to the bank...Now, i dont know you and dont know what you're going to do, but I do know that I dont want to see someone get hurt from improper use of gear...

sorry the answers you have gotten have not been the ones you want to hear, but its the truth..we dont want you to get hurt or come up with complications later on in life bro

[dragonfinger]

i have taken 45mgs already

[Emilio_Rebenga]

i have taken 45mgs already

for 1 day...scroll up to my reply when I say

STOP YOUR CYCLE

[legobricks]

legobricks that reply was pointless you have offered no advice what so ever, other members have commented and offered solutions but all you have done is just been negative with no help

The help is found within the words I typed which you should have realized. You need to research out what your using and what your putting in your body and how to properly use it without issues. Just goin off of what your buddy says and your clear lack of knowledge of AAS puts you at risk for any side effects they may cause. Knowledge is power, AAS are not magic beans, diet is everything and without a proper diet you will not grow muscle.

Dbol is not recomended due to its fast size increase of your body. Your body retains lots of water making you gain lots of weight. Then when you come off you normally loose most of that (wich can then lead to addiction, depression, etc... because you blow up then shrink when your done taking them). People depend solely on the compound to make them grow which is why people like yourself should really study and read up on what your doing. Use the search button, search the site, google AAS, there are many things you can do to enlighten yourself on AAS which is why i made the comment i did. Sorry for the confusion.

[RaWRZ0R!]

The help is found within the words I typed which you should have realized. You need to research out what your using and what your putting in your body and how to properly use it without issues. Just goin off of what your buddy says and your clear lack of knowledge of AAS puts you at risk for any side effects they may cause. Knowledge is power, AAS are not magic beans, diet is everything and without a proper diet you will not grow muscle.

Dbol is not recomended due to its fast size increase of your body. Your body retains lots of water making you gain lots of weight. Then when you come off you normally loose most of that (wich can then lead to addiction, depression, etc... because you blow up then shrink when your done taking them). People depend solely on the compound to make them grow which is why people like yourself should really study and read up on what your doing. Use the search button, search the site, google AAS, there are many things you can do to enlighten yourself on AAS which is why i made the comment i did. Sorry for the confusion.

listen to this man...hes very knowledgable and he has a blocky figure like in his avvy which is a result of him doing the right things before,while,and after a cycle...lol jk about the avvy but yeah hes a senior member so he knows alot..dont underestimate his word just cause your buddy does sh*t his way..i have a buddy who wants to get on dbol,winni,test suspension and test E all at once im like uh...why are you mixing the tests.. he said that its a cocktail..my dad does it all the time. i said well thats gonna have to require alot of pct..he said whats that? the sad thing is. he supplied me with my current cycle..like i said just because they say something doesnt make it true.

[dragonfinger]

i dont think you people understand what i am asking, i was only saying what friends had told me i wasnt asking for what NOT to do but more along the lines of what to do! Its all well and good telling me what not to d but i would like help and suggestions on what to take and what cycles to do and where to get the best info on different pct's etc. My goals are probably not as high as what you guys had when you started as I am only looking for small gains and to maintain these gains, i.e. 1 stone (what ever that is in pounds) I have tried strong legal supplement stacks of things such as trib test, zma, creatine, hmb etc but they are no way near enough. Please can i have more suggestions on what to do rather than what not to do

[warchild]

pyramiding is an outdated thing of the past