experimenting with double the dosage...

[Timm1704]

For my last 3 cycles i have ran test e, deca and tren e. The test has been at a constant 1000mg, deca 200mg and tren from 400-600mg per week.

I have had nice results from these, but the tren hurts my appetite considerably, so i have decided for my next cycle not to use it. I am also using GH and have been on 6 months, with another 6 months left (maybe more if money permits lol), so where using AAS is concerned, i want to make the most of the benefits of GH/AAS combined whilst i still have the GH.

I read a recent thread that got me thinking that maybe i should throw caution to the wind and up the testosterone dosage considerably, to 2000mg for the next cycle.

I would likely be just running test alone, but may throw 200-400mg deca in the mix also.

Part of me thinks that doubling the test would do more harm than good, and id probably get far more side effects than usual, but gain not much more than the usual gains i get from 1000mg.

Does anyone have an opinion on this? those of you who have used high doses of test (il say 2000mg and above) what did you think?

[redz]

I wouldnt bother running that much test unless you are competing.

[DS21]

The only thing that I can say is you will never know how that much test reacts to your body without trying it. I've read not to go over 500mg/wk on tren then other say they use 1000mg/wk, so what I am getting at is everyone is different and no one can give you a for sure answer.

If it was me, I would use the 2000mg/wk if sides get out of hand or it dosen't seem to work the way you wanted drop back to 1000mg/wk and add another compound.

[Roshambo]

When I cycle I use 200mg E3.5D and Deca 250 at EW. Sides arent that bad, never had GYNO or other sides except for hair growth and being a little more testy and short tempered. my PCT includes Clomd, Nolva, Proviron, Arimidex, HGC.

[SmittyTheOX]

During a cycle of Prop I decided to bump the dose up from 150mg/day (1050mg/week) to 250mg/day (1750/week). I ran that for 4 weeks before dropping back to 150mg/day.

I did notice 'benefits' from the extra test but I felt they were only marginal compared to the massive increase in side efefcts. Water retention went trhrough the roof, acne got really bad and I started to get a bit of gyno (again).

Thinking back on it, my AIs might be were I came apart. I was on Adex with the 150mg/day of test but switched to Letro when I went to 250mg/day. I probably would have been able to counter the sides a lot better if id started the letro 2-3 weeks earlier, letting it build up its levels. Instead I started it at .5mg/day the day I started.

OX

[MuscleScience]

more is not always better

[DSM4Life]

I think you guys are crazy. I don't understand the need to run such high cycles.

[BG]

more is not always better

I agree



You'll have considerably more estrogen/progesterone and many other chemicals to try to contain which will hinder your gains making it not worth while imo. Hair growth will be unreal, nite sweat and insomnia plus acne ,your estrogen will go through the roof, then you will have to use a lot of letro which will eliminate your estrogen which will not allow all that test to bind to the AR. If your not getting what you want out of a gram you have problems else where. Then you have recovery and depression from such hormone drop, it goes on and on.

[LATS60]

Iv'e used high dosages before, it's something you need to do if you want to take things to the next level, if you want freaky big then lets not kid ourselves, it's going to cost.
If your not growing anymore on the doses you are using and it's not through a lack in training or diet, well yes you are going to have to start changing something, wether going to 2g wk is the answer, only you know that.

[Phate]

For my last 3 cycles i have ran test e, deca and tren e. The test has been at a constant 1000mg, deca 200mg and tren from 400-600mg per week.

I have had nice results from these, but the tren hurts my appetite considerably, so i have decided for my next cycle not to use it. I am also using GH and have been on 6 months, with another 6 months left (maybe more if money permits lol), so where using AAS is concerned, i want to make the most of the benefits of GH/AAS combined whilst i still have the GH.

I read a recent thread that got me thinking that maybe i should throw caution to the wind and up the testosterone dosage considerably, to 2000mg for the next cycle.

I would likely be just running test alone, but may throw 200-400mg deca in the mix also.

Part of me thinks that doubling the test would do more harm than good, and id probably get far more side effects than usual, but gain not much more than the usual gains i get from 1000mg.

Does anyone have an opinion on this? those of you who have used high doses of test (il say 2000mg and above) what did you think?

why not try changing the compounds around, like running a test prop tren ace cycle or just a high dose of prop and see how you do with that, remember that the ester in test enth makes up almost 1/3 of the total amount(there is only 69.9mg of test per 100mg in enth vs. mid 80s for prop if i remember correctly)

[SmittyTheOX]

There was a graph floating around making the comparison between increased dosage and increas androgen receptor binding.

From what I recall It started to flatten right out around the 1200 mark, making a double dosage only marginally better. It was equal to the difference between 400mg and 500mg or similar.

If anyone has a link to it, post it up. Ill do some Googleing and see what I find for you.

[LATS60]

There was a graph floating around making the comparison between increased dosage and increas androgen receptor binding.

From what I recall It started to flatten right out around the 1200 mark, making a double dosage only marginally better. It was equal to the difference between 400mg and 500mg or similar.

If anyone has a link to it, post it up. Ill do some Googleing and see what I find for you.

Mm, i saw that.
On a very basic level the more test you take the bigger you will get, but there comes a point when the sides start to outweigh the gains, to double your gains at an advanced level you need to quadruple your dose, if we are talking test only. This obviously brings us to the point were it really is necessary to start switching compounds regularly.
I remember reading/hearing, that at his peak arnie was on a gram of test ED and a handful sweeties and god knows what else.