Continue with 1st cyle or stop and start pct?

[anon03191970]

I am 4 weeks into my 1st cycle and need to know if what I am experiencing is typical or not.

Stats:
Age: 38
Height: 5'6"
Weight:195(When I started) 184(Now)
BF%: 15%(When I started) 12%(Now)

Diet: Pretty clean, approx. 3500 cal per day 320-400g protein per day

Cycle:
Wk 1-4 DBol - 40mgED
Wk 1-12 Test E - 250mg(Mon AM)/250mg(Thur. PM)

Additional supplements during and post cycle: MultiVite, B6, B12, milk thistle and hawthorne berry.

AI's on Hand to control for bloating, gyno and other estrogen related problems. (Letrozole,Anastrozole and tamoxifen)

PCT:
Wk 14-16 - Tamox - 20mged/Clomid - 300mg 1st day tapering down to 50mg day 21.

Here is a recap of my experience so far.

Wk 1: My 1st two injections, (Right Quad/Left Quad,) have gone better than I had hoped. I was very nervous but got through it. In the lead up to my cycle, I had started injecting B12 to get practice and my technique down. Also if I had any difficulty, (Infection, lumps, pain, etc.), I could go to my doctor or the emergency room and tell them it was a bad B12 injection.

By Sunday I am feeling stronger and have better workouts than I have ever had. I am experiencing a sense of well-being that I have never felt before. This could all be psychosomatic at this stage. Appetite is great.

Wk 2: Injections 3 and 4 have gone well. (Right Delt/Left Delt).

By middle of week I am feeling even better. Energy is great. Workouts great. I am boxing/kick boxing two days a wk. for an hour to keep my cardiovascular system up. Feel strong. Appetite is great. Sex drive is great.

By end of week two I look fuller and don't feel or see any signs of bloat, gyno or any aromatization issues.

Wk 3: Injections went well, (Right Glute/Left Quad.) By middle of week not feeling as good as I did the 1st two weeks. Got on the scale and have lost 6 pounds? I am still eating but have noticed my appetite is not what it was during the 1st two weeks and even before the cycle. Boxing/kickboxing sessions not as good or energetic as 1st two weeks. Noticing slight tightening in my scrotal region. Sex drive still great.

Wk. 4: Injections went well, (Right Delt/Left Delt.) Monday, Tuesday, very little energy. Still strong, but takes more rest periods between sets to complete workouts. Cardio sessions are horrible. It feels like my lower half is stuck in the mud. Very sluggish. Wednesday, Thursday no desire to workout. Tightening in scrotal region more apparent. Nipples are always hard, no sensitivity though. Lost another 5 pounds? Muscles feel fuller but not bulky. No bloat. If anything, I feel like this is a cutting cycle. I am not experiencing the bulking I would have expected on this cycle. I am still managing to
get about 3500 cals per day but feel like I am losing weight not gaining. Also my joints are starting to hurt. (Knees, elbows, shoulders especially.)

Is this normal?

Today is the last day of the DBol intake.

Should I terminate this cycle or wait till Sunday or Monday to see how I feel or the end of week 5 or 6 to see how I do on the test by itself?

I feel very weird. Strength is definitely improved. But the feeling of well-being and energy is gone. Also the tightening in my scrotal region is real and concerning. Appetite is non-existent. I am just pushing food into my body with no enjoyment or feeling of satiation. I have lost 11 pounds since I started this cycle. Also my vision seems to be blurring slightly??

I just don't feel good anymore.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

[LATS60]

You might feel better when you drop the dbol, Appetite wise and energy wise, it just effects some ppl that way, as for the blurred vision you might want to get that checked out. As for the bulking thats not happening, bunk gear or poor diet.

[LATS60]

And your only 4wks in so don't expect too much too soon.
150mgs clomid will be enough for the first day of PCT, your PCT is also too short,,,
The more i read, the more i feel you really didn't do enough research.

[anon03191970]

Obviously I could have done more research. Is there any amount of research that could not have been undertaken before starting any regimen?

Obviously I could have not undertaken any steroid cycle either. The point is moot. I am 4 weeks in and don't feel quite right.

Also my PCT is 3 weeks in duration which, according to the two sources I have perused, is standard procedure. If you have a source for a better PCT regimen
please provide it.

Also any additional advice would be appreciated.

[WARMachine]

My advice is to keep going with the Test as it probably hasnt peaked yet...

If you havent seen strength and size gains by week 7, then stop the cycle and do PCT.


Also, i agree with LATS..

300mgs of Clomid is insane!

Also i think that there is no need to "Shock" the system by using a ridiculous dose the first day of PCT.

I do my PCT like this.

Nolva - 20/20/20/20
Clomid - 50/50/25/25

And have recovered just fine... At the very least, dont go over 100mgs a day of Clomid.

Clomid is OKAY if used correctly
many people abuse the drug by using dosages between 150mg-300mg and get terrible side effects.

[kloan]

Hard nips.. I'm curious about that one. Ever since I got back into working out 6 months ago, mine have been like that off an on frequently.. yet I haven't even done a cycle yet. Can someone offer insight into this?

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From everything I've read about Clomid though, 300mg is a ridiculous amount, even to start with.

Also, sounds like the dbol is bunk. You should've put on weight with that.. mostly water, but still should've noticed weight/strength increase, not loss.

[anon03191970]

The DBol is British Dispensary with hologram, expiration date and lot number.

It certainly looks like pictures I have seen of DBol.

Test E is Rotexmedica 250mg/ml 1ml ampules.