first cycle but confused...

[ryan2106]

hello everyone. this is my first post and am looking for a bit of advise. i have been reading up on this site and about information about various steroids and have come to a conclusion that i do want to start a cycle.

i want to bulk up increase muscle mass then cut up. i have no intention of becoming massive just want to put a good stone of muscle on and then cut up. i am not really over weight bit of flab around the belly but thats about it.

i am 5 ft 9 weigh 79kg and have been training on and off for about 3 years ( more off than on to be honest). i have been weight traing body parts for the last 4 months and am not really getting any further now.

the cycle i am considering is deca and test enthanate. i was thinking of around 200mg deca per week and 2 1ml test per week. to start.

i was considering including some oxy's for the first 3 weeks to kickstart my cycle.

was thinking of changing the deca to trenblone after 8 - 10 weeks to cut up. not sure about this part and am wondering if this is worth doing on my first cycle.

i am worried about water retention and would like to know what i can do to combat this???

any advise would be appreciated

thanks

[Charger527]

whats your bodyfat estimate,

to be honest mate your diet prob needs work so if you tweek it a bit you will prob be able to achive those goals naturaly

Also for a first cycle id recomend straight test e, Whats your planned pct?

[ryan2106]

not got a clue about my bodyfat estimate. wouldn't know how to work it out!

my diet is pretty good tho! pleanty of protein and carbs dont eat much crap! usually start with beans toast bacon or cerial with fruit in the morinig with protein drink. fruit and protein bar mid morning. pasta rice with chicken for lunch protein drinks before and after training usualy witha banana early evening. good meal for later on meat potato and veg. cottage cheese before bed on cracker.

not 100% about my pct was thinking of getting advise but i would imagine novalex, hcg poss clomids. need more information on this but will definately know what i am doing before i start anything!

i know its lazy but i think it will take too long to get my gains naturally and will probably give up again in the gym before that happens! i know if i start to see a quick improvement i will be hooked again and am looking forward to giving it a go.

also my aim of a stone in gains was a bit low it is probably more really!

[adimenia]

i dont think steroids is what you need a solid training regiment and solid diet is needed or steroids wont do shit and as far as 1st cycle goes drop the deca and stick to test only cycle

[Charger527]

yeah mate they are not really a magic thing, and to tell you the truth they are alot harder to do then made out (pct for one), there not something to take lightly.

Just eat good and train hard and stick around here and learn what you can (lots of natty guys on here) then latter on down the track if your still keen

[Big]

how old are you ryan?

[ryan2106]

not taking anything lightly, which is why i am on here... also i am not under any illusion that steriods are some sort of miracle grow and that by injecting them i will wake up bigger and harder! i have looked into this and have friends who have jumped into it and have had good gains from it. i myself wont do that need to know more first about what i am taking and how to come off them.

i know that in a couple if years of eating well and training hard that i can get what i am looking for naturaly. but what i am saying is that i dont think i have got the will power to do that and i actually want to cheat and get there a bit quicker!

tell me i am wrong but if i train hard eat well and take these steroids wont i get results quicker???

the advise i am looking for is a good first cycle! a lot of people at the gym have told me to go on the sus an deca. but i dont want to take sustanon been told it is a second rate test and ethanate is better!

also any reason why i should not take deca is is too much for a first cycle??? why only test???

thanks

[ryan2106]

29 years

[Big]

we typically recommend only one compound (test) for a first cycle for a couple reasons. first, many feel it should be the base for all cycles, certainly all beginner cycles. additionally, each compound affects different people in different ways. if you start with multiple compounds and have a negative reaction or bad sides you won't know which compound to blame. I like for peeps to do one compound first cycle, and two for the second, each time noting how they felt.

[ryan2106]

thanks for that...

what dose's would you reccomend for a beginner would you start with a small amount and gradually increase then decrease at the end (pyramid so to speak) through the cycle or start and continue with the same amount until the end and decrease then???

[adimenia]

not taking anything lightly, which is why i am on here... also i am not under any illusion that steriods are some sort of miracle grow and that by injecting them i will wake up bigger and harder! i have looked into this and have friends who have jumped into it and have had good gains from it. i myself wont do that need to know more first about what i am taking and how to come off them.

i know that in a couple if years of eating well and training hard that i can get what i am looking for naturaly. but what i am saying is that i dont think i have got the will power to do that and i actually want to cheat and get there a bit quicker!

tell me i am wrong but if i train hard eat well and take these steroids wont i get results quicker???

the advise i am looking for is a good first cycle! a lot of people at the gym have told me to go on the sus an deca. but i dont want to take sustanon been told it is a second rate test and ethanate is better!

also any reason why i should not take deca is is too much for a first cycle??? why only test???

thanks

i get what your saying but it not that cut and dry you say you dont have the will power to train and eat right well this is exactly what you need to do when taking steroids or they wont have the effect intended not to mention your body needs to be used to lifting heavy loads it not that with steroids muscles will spring out magically

[jimmyinkedup]

id keep doses consistant at 500mgs / week of test enathate or cypionate injected every 3.5 days (or close to it some do mon thurs) Id recommend a cycle length of 10-12 weeks . Id have armidex available to me for estrogen management if needed. You mentioned wanting to control bloat ...the adex may become necessary in that regard. if so id do .25-.5 eod bumping to .25-.5 ed if necessary. You also need to look into pct - how will you return bodies htpa to normal function post cycle ..there are severa reasons to do this as quickly and efficiently as possible....there is a pct section here with several good pct protocols. Id def check them out... Before cycling id get my diet and training in order and have them that way with some consistency...id almost recommend taking your body to a peak level if possible before cycling...that is my opinion ...do with it what you will... If u decide on a cycle and pct post it here and people will help make sure it looks ok ....good reassurance that u will be doing this as properly as possible...

[ryan2106]

thanks, not sure as yet on the pct could you reccommend anything for that cycle. i have read up on pct. and am aware of a few of the products. i would probably start taking it a couple of weeks before the end of my cycle and then for a few weeks after reducing week by week. but i really dont know enough yet to tell you what my plans are, as i dont know.

also adimena, i dont think i am explaining myself properly. when i reach a plateau or you hit a wall no more gains i have lost enthusiasm in the past because i havent really been getting any further!

i have a couple of good training partners which i have never had before (trained on my own mostly) i am really into my training at the moment and i know that if ever i was going to keep it up it is now. i think the reason i have not kept it up in the past is because i dont seem to get much further naturally.

i know if i am putting stuff in my body i will train twice as hard as it will be on my mind 24/7. also since i have been back training my diet has been really good and that wont change.

i have thought about taking steroids in the past but have known that i wasn't ready for them. i know where i am with my training and my eating at the moment i am really determined and am most of all enjoying it!!!

i know i will double my efforts once my cycle has started so i get the maximum benefit from the course!

[jimmyinkedup]

pct should start 14 days post injection of test e or c ...here a decent one for a test only cycle
clomid 100/50/50/50 and nolva 40/20/20/20 - this is daily dose in mgs...broken down by week ...so week 1 - 100mgs clomid and 40mgs nolva per day and so forth
. If u take adex on cycle take it right up to your pct - dont leave it out those 2 weeks...

[ryan2106]

sounds good... will look into that more!

if i didn't want to take that much test 500mg per week say i done 400 would i need to reduce the pct by much?

[Big]

nope, pct would be the same regardless.

[ryan2106]

cheers!!!