Reconsidering Test-E

[Justin332]

I'm about ready to start my first cycle and had decided on Test E 400mg/wk but the more I look into it th emore I'm thinking I shouldn't do that specific one.

I've read ont hese threads many, many people complaining about the immense acne they've gotten from Test. I've been on accutane three times as a kid and my acne is now under control, but I feel this would probably make it explode back to teenage levels.

I'm 6'0, 200lbs. I want to be about 6'0 206-210 and rock hard. Body fat at 13% right now.

Is there an alternative that should be easier on my acne?

Thanks so much for your input.

[seriousmass]

you want to gain 6 pounds? lol. just EAT. that is a very small gain. You do not need juice to obtain 6 pounds in results.

How old are you?
Workout Experience?

[lord henry]

test should the base of any cycle really.

if you feel that you are going to get very bad acne from the test then the only other option would be and anavar or tbol cycle cycle.

there are many ways to combat acne on cycle cycle .

tanning beds

showering everyday

some soaps are good (i forget the names)

and as above your goals can be meet by upping your food intake.

[jimmyinkedup]

perhaps (and im not being sarcastic) considering your modest goal ...reconsider cycling at all. Diet and exercise/training could certainly achieve a modest gain in muscle and lowering of bodyfat....

[Justin332]

The acne is severe, severe, severe.

I was thinking about anavar. Isn't that just oral?

[Big]

At your height, you certainly shouldn't need steroids to accomplish your goals.

[Justin332]

perhaps (and im not being sarcastic) considering your modest goal ...reconsider cycling at all. Diet and exercise/training could certainly achieve a modest gain in muscle and lowering of bodyfat....

I've considered that but I've reached 200 by doing that and have been stuck for the past year at the weight.

[seriousmass]

perhaps (and im not being sarcastic) considering your modest goal ...reconsider cycling at all. Diet and exercise/training could certainly achieve a modest gain in muscle and lowering of bodyfat....

Good answer. I completely agree. Why would you put your body through a hormonal hail-storm over 6 - 8 pounds. If you're prone to acne, you'll get acne, there's no way to avoid it.

[Justin332]

I'm 28, been lifting regularly for the past 4 years.

[seriousmass]

I've considered that but I've reached 200 by doing that and have been stuck for the past year at the weight.

Then change your diet / workout routine to obtain better gains. Shock your body by taking it an abnormally large amounts of calories / lots of protein. And train HARD at the gym. You aren't at a permanent plateau yet - you can still gain naturally. no question.

[Justin332]

Then change your diet / workout routine to obtain better gains. Shock your body by taking it an abnormally large amounts of calories / lots of protein. And train HARD at the gym. You aren't at a permanent plateau yet - you can still gain naturally. no question.

Are you saying that because I'm so young? Wouldn't anavar help springload me to a new spot?

[Justin332]

I'm reading that anavar is mild, and I have clomid... so why woudln't I just do that/ Wouldnt' that meet my goals and help tremendously?

[Big]

you are way below your natural potential, even if you woke up tomorrow with an extra 20lbs of muscle you would immediately start losing it. Your diet and training are sufficient to make you the size you are, no steroid in the world will fix that. Just my 2 cents.

[Matt]

you are way below your natural potential, even if you woke up tomorrow with an extra 20lbs of muscle you would immediately start losing it. Your diet and training are sufficient to make you the size you are, no steroid in the world will fix that. Just my 2 cents.

100% agreed...

[Justin332]

you are way below your natural potential, even if you woke up tomorrow with an extra 20lbs of muscle you would immediately start losing it. Your diet and training are sufficient to make you the size you are, no steroid in the world will fix that. Just my 2 cents.

I'm not sure what you mean.

Right now, I'm eating 4 turkey breasts a day with brown rice. 3 proteing shakes...

I'm struggling to maintain 200lbs despite eating all of this.

[Big]

Lay out your daily diet in detail, including total calories, and the breakdown of protein/carbs/fat.

[youngerlion]

Lay out your daily diet in detail, including total calories, and the breakdown of protein/carbs/fat.

agreed. eat eat . and when you think your done. eat some more.

[Justin332]

Meal 1: protein shake with raw oatmeal (50G protein/30gcarb/0g fat)
Meal2-5: Turkey Breast with a cup brown rice (34g protein/28g carb/4g fat)
Protein shake with waxymaize pwo: (50g protein/45g carb)
slow burn protein before bed: (22g protein/4g fat/6g carb)

Totals: 258Gprotein/193g carb/20gfat

Not sure how many calories.

I don't understand why if I could get a few more pounds and it's generally easy on your liver, why i can't just do anavar?

[Big]

Ok, your diet is drastically sub-par, but I'm out of this one. Take anavar or whatever you wish, good luck.

[Justin332]

Ok, your diet is drastically sub-par, but I'm out of this one. Take anavar or whatever you wish, good luck.

Why is it drastically sub par? You're putting in your two cents but you're not explaining anything.

[Justin332]

I'm trying to lose fat while promoting lean muscle. I'm not sure what more to do. Sorry.

[higherdesire]

Just go witch these videos and then reasses your eating philosophy.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516

good luck.

[MMArmour]

you are not eating enough. plain and simple. heres the thing.. if you are UNABLE to maintain 200lbs naturally...how will you maintain new muscle mass post cycle?

for instance....Say you gain 10lbs on anavar (which you wont) but if you did...you would lose it all immideately post anavar. Big is right. Go to the diet forum and look around bro. Those dudes will set you up nicely. You were doing so well at listening in your previous posts and listened to me very well. But Big is by far more experienced than me. And i mean....BY FAR. His word is worth his weight in gold (and he is not the only one) when it comes to teaching you the way to do things. Now that im done giving Big a verbal BJ.... go to the diet forum.

[honda450]

I think you need to eat a bit more. But I would lean towards a Tbol/Anavar cycle with proper PCT.

Clomid would be fine..

[Justin332]

I appreciate Big's input as well as everyone else's on this page. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful I was just trying to understand what specifically I was doing wrong.

[MMArmour]

your diet bro. they told you that.

[Big]

I appreciate Big's input as well as everyone else's on this page. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful I was just trying to understand what specifically I was doing wrong.

I apologize for being short with you earlier, I was at work, trying to help you while typing on my phone between meetings. My intent was to point you in the right direction so you would know what areas you need to research to better reach your goals, when in that position it's hard for me to elaborate. In any event, we have an excellent diet section here, my advice is to take an evening to just read on bulking diets and you will see how far off of the mark you are. My desire here is not to talk you out of steroids, but I've done this a long time and categorically every guy who needed to tweak his diet, but instead ran a cycle, came back later asking why they didn't gain or keep their gains. We try to circumvent that here and put peeps on the right path from the start.

[Justin332]

I apologize for being short with you earlier, I was at work, trying to help you while typing on my phone between meetings. My intent was to point you in the right direction so you would know what areas you need to research to better reach your goals, when in that position it's hard for me to elaborate. In any event, we have an excellent diet section here, my advice is to take an evening to just read on bulking diets and you will see how far off of the mark you are. My desire here is not to talk you out of steroids, but I've done this a long time and categorically every guy who needed to tweak his diet, but instead ran a cycle, came back later asking why they didn't gain or keep their gains. We try to circumvent that here and put peeps on the right path from the start.

I apologize as well Big, I didn't clearly state exactly what I'm doing. I've come to have a means to get test-e but the more I read about the acne the more I'm scared to do it. I've been doing this particular diet to try and lose fat and keep as much muscle as possible, because these boards said that you need to have your body fat as low as possible before starting a cycle.

I've gotten a lot more cut, and am about ready to start the cycle but now have cold feet on test enanthate. I will change my diet to a more bulking diet when I get on cycle (and have a job, as I was laid off but will have one next week), but am extremely hesitant to do test-e. I just want to go from like 200-205 while losing body fat and gaining muscle. I was thinking anavar would be the best.

With all that said, now what doy ou think?

And you owe me no apology, these are tough times and I understand everyone is stressed out.

[Phate]

Meal 1: protein shake with raw oatmeal (50G protein/30gcarb/0g fat)
double the oatmeal
Meal2-5: Turkey Breast with a cup brown rice (34g protein/28g carb/4g fat)
get around 50g of protein from the turkey, double the carbs
Protein shake with waxymaize pwo: (50g protein/45g carb)
increase carbs to 60
slow burn protein before bed: (22g protein/4g fat/6g carb)
eat a meal here, pro/fat like cottage cheese or lean meat and nuts
Totals: 258Gprotein/193g carb/20gfat

Not sure how many calories.

I don't understand why if I could get a few more pounds and it's generally easy on your liver, why i can't just do anavar?

that should get you started

[Justin332]

I apologize as well Big, I didn't clearly state exactly what I'm doing. I've come to have a means to get test-e but the more I read about the acne the more I'm scared to do it. I've been doing this particular diet to try and lose fat and keep as much muscle as possible, because these boards said that you need to have your body fat as low as possible before starting a cycle.

I've gotten a lot more cut, and am about ready to start the cycle but now have cold feet on test enanthate. I will change my diet to a more bulking diet when I get on cycle (and have a job, as I was laid off but will have one next week), but am extremely hesitant to do test-e. I just want to go from like 200-205 while losing body fat and gaining muscle. I was thinking anavar would be the best.

With all that said, now what doy ou think?

And you owe me no apology, these are tough times and I understand everyone is stressed out.

Any opinions here would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.