Critique my cicle

[cloud_strife]

After long thinking I came up with this cycle that resembles my first cycle I did and that was very effective(deca 200mg/week + winstrol 20mg/day for 8 weeks)

let me know what you think

data: 178cm, 79kg @15%bf, 28yo, purpose: bulking


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week 1 @3000kcal
andriol 40mg/day (it is testosterone)
deca 400mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day


week 2-4 @3500kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 200mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day

week 5-6 @4000kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 250mg/week
proviron 50mg/day

week 7-10 @4000kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 250mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day

week 11-12(between cycle and recovery) @3000kcal
winstrol 30mg/day
proviron 50mg/day


week 13-16 (recovery) @2500kcal
week 13-14 hcg 1000x3 a week
week 13-16 clomid 100mg/day or 1 week then only 50mg/day for 3 weeks
week 13-16 letrozole 0.75mg/day

[Matt]

Whats your height in feet and inches??, 2500 cals isnt alot for a bulking cycle and i think the cycle it self is poor...

[Immortal Soldier]

Terrible cycle, you are running deca with no test? That's a no no

Not to mention you start winstrol and run it for 4 weeks than take 3 weeks off before running it for another 3 weeks?

PCT needs work, clomid should be 100/50/50/50 no need for 3 weeks of 100mg per day, also through in Nolva at 40/20/20/20

Also its called OFF CYCLE meaning you can't run any anabolic compounds, so no Winny or Proviron during off cycle (not that 50mg proviron will make a difference).

[Ernst]

5'10", 175lbs...

I agree with Matt. Cycle and pct are poor. Calorie intake is not in line with stated goal.

[sigman roid]

i agree with everyone poorly thought out cycle not to mention theres no test in there

[RuhlFreak55]

*sigh* thought for once i'd find someone that knew what they were doing......i was wrong

[Ernst]

Okay guys, I hate to be the one to say this, but Andriol IS test. Granted, that's a wicked low dose of the stuff and still a crappy cycle plan.

Andriol: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199828

[Immortal Soldier]

Okay guys, I hate to be the one to say this, but Andriol IS test. Granted, that's a wicked low dose of the stuff and still a crappy cycle plan.

Andriol: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199828

40mg of Adrol isn't going to keep your dick from going south, maybe it will who knows. I wouldn't take the chance.

[cloud_strife]

Whats your height in feet and inches??, 2500 cals isnt alot for a bulking cycle and i think the cycle it self is poor...

5ft 8in
2500 cals is for the first week only, I go up to 4000+

[cloud_strife]

Terrible cycle, you are running deca with no test? That's a no no

ANDRIOL IS test... isn't it?

Not to mention you start winstrol and run it for 4 weeks than take 3 weeks off before running it for another 3 weeks?

I just thought that 12 weeks of winstrol would be too much

PCT needs work, clomid should be 100/50/50/50 no need for 3 weeks of 100mg per day, also through in Nolva at 40/20/20/20

last time I didn't recover properly so I thought of taking more clomid
...anyway, aren't clomid and nolva used for the same thing (estrogen blocking)

Also its called OFF CYCLE meaning you can't run any anabolic compounds, so no Winny or Proviron during off cycle (not that 50mg proviron will make a difference).

week 11-12 are still cycle time since deca is still in the bloodstream; why are you saying off cycle?

see the comments in bold.....

[cloud_strife]

5'10", 175lbs...

I agree with Matt. Cycle and pct are poor. Calorie intake is not in line with stated goal.

you sure? how many do you suggest then, my mainteniance level is 2000kcal/day, here the mean value is 3450kcal:

week 1 @2500kcal
week 2-4 @3000kcal
week 5-6 @3500kcal
week 7-10 @4000kcal

[cloud_strife]

40mg of Adrol isn't going to keep your dick from going south, maybe it will who knows. I wouldn't take the chance.

I took deca 200mgs/week and winstrol 30 mgs/week
for the first cycle and didn't have any sex problems, that's why I wrote a cycle with a low dose of test

[LATS60]

Poor cycle, poor diet, poor PCT, don't blame the steroids when you find you are dissapointed with the gains you make on this "bulker".

[Ernst]

you sure? how many do you suggest then, my mainteniance level is 2000kcal/day

Given your age, height, and weight your basal metabolic rate is about 1800 cals. Add a desk job and your maintenance needs are over 2100. Throw in some good old fashioned exercise and all of the sudden you're under maintenance. As far as how much you need? I can't really answer that 100% because I don't know your activity level. Your calories don't need to bounce around like that. "Mean" calories over a few months means nothing to your body. It either gets what it needs to do the job or it doesn't. There are a bunch of sites that will help you determine your caloric needs. You probably already visited one (and maybe entered your stats wrong?). Try again, visiting a few to get a good feel for where you want to be, as there is some minor variance.

[Gaspari1255]

I took deca 200mgs/week and winstrol 30 mgs/week
for the first cycle and didn't have any sex problems, that's why I wrote a cycle with a low dose of test

Another awful cycle.

[c-Z]

Awful awful awful......... Fix that diet. Calories as stated are way too low.... 2000 calories a day maintenance..... You do realize that's a normal intake..... Bulking i go 3000-4000 a day.

I think my girl eats more then that and shes 115lbs.

[Dirty_Daddy]

At that point I'm just asking why taking steroids at all? Fixing your diet and training hard you can still gain some nice mass anyway...then if you really wanna use gear I'll go for something more 'consistent' on the dosage side...just my impression ^^

[alpmaster]

Haha, I didn't know your body gains weight at perfect 500cal intervals.

[cloud_strife]

Given your age, height, and weight your basal metabolic rate is about 1800 cals. .......................e is some minor variance.

it came 2242

[cloud_strife]

Another awful cycle.

that was my first cycle and I followed my friend's advice without questioning; i got good results anyway

[cloud_strife]

Bulking i go 3000-4000 a day.

did you read what I wrote at all?

from week 2 to week 10 is between 3000 and 4000

[LATS60]

LOL at this guy, have you ever heard of being consistent? consistency in you're diet and training will yield the best results.

[cloud_strife]

Haha, I didn't know your body gains weight at perfect 500cal intervals.

what do you mean? I just thought that if I start with 4000 from the beginning and the gear is fake, I get fat very quickly, that's why I start low

[Ernst]

We are getting nowhere. Do you want to do things right, or just argue with people by tirelessly defending your poorly planned outline and ignorant mistakes?

[sigman roid]

Okay guys, I hate to be the one to say this, but Andriol IS test. Granted, that's a wicked low dose of the stuff and still a crappy cycle plan.

Andriol: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199828

i stand corrected you do have test in there but its at such a low dose its not gonna do anything for you imo.

[cloud_strife]

the point is that I don't want to run sustanon @500mg/week because I don't really need all that to gain weight, I will do a mild cycle

AND I cannot progress naturally, I've been stuck for 1 year

people told me the diet is wrong but I never wrote it down

[cloud_strife]

i stand corrected you do have test in there but its at such a low dose its not gonna do anything for you imo.

I told you that for the 1st cycle I took no test and I gained 12kg (around 26 pounds) and no sexual problems

[LATS60]

We are getting nowhere. Do you want to do things right, or just argue with people by tirelessly defending your poorly planned outline and ignorant mistakes?

You are damn right we aren't.
I'm not wasting anymore of my time on this idiot.
There are plenty of ppl who need advice, are willing to listen and learn and appreciate it.

[cloud_strife]

You are damn right we aren't.
I'm not wasting anymore of my time on this idiot.
There are plenty of ppl who need advice, are willing to listen and learn and appreciate it.

well I just forgot to tell you some details the first time

[cloud_strife]

LOL at this guy, have you ever heard of being consistent? consistency in you're diet and training will yield the best results.

at the moment I am being consistent with my 2500kcal diet

[cloud_strife]

"Mean" calories over a few months means nothing to your body.

I know but someone wrote that 2500kcals are not for bulking and I agree, in fact what I wrote was not 2500... it was 2500 for the first week then 3000 or more for the following 12 weeks!!! At least people could read the whole post before replying

[Gaspari1255]

that was my first cycle and I followed my friend's advice without questioning; i got good results anyway

Your friend isn't too bright when it comes to AAS.

[LATS60]

at the moment I am being consistent with my 2500kcal diet

No you aren't according to you're post, you cannot even manage to be consistant with you're deca.
WTF is that all about.
week 1 @3000kcal
andriol 40mg/day (it is testosterone)
deca 400mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day


week 2-4 @3500kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 200mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day

week 5-6 @4000kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 250mg/week
proviron 50mg/day

week 7-10 @4000kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 250mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day

[Ernst]

I know but someone wrote that 2500kcals are not for bulking and I agree, in fact what I wrote was not 2500... it was 2500 for the first week then 3000 or more for the following 12 weeks!!! At least people could read the whole post before replying

And then tapered back down to 2500 by before pct = piss poor for bulking and maintaining gains. I did read it all. The first time.

I tire of your attitude and stupidity. My your dick go limp and your titties be full. I'm out.

[cloud_strife]

No you aren't according to you're post, you cannot even manage to be consistant with you're deca.
WTF is that all about.
week 1 @3000kcal
andriol 40mg/day (it is testosterone)
deca 400mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day


week 2-4 @3500kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 200mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day

week 5-6 @4000kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 250mg/week
proviron 50mg/day

week 7-10 @4000kcal
andriol 40mg/day
deca 250mg/week
winstrol 30mg/day

400 is called frontloading
200 is a mistake is should be 250

[cloud_strife]

if you want suggest me a cycle

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=382416