NEW Cycle- BIG Goals!

[Navy-boi-kai]

Hello well let me start and in short say i have learned quite a bit since i have been here and thank you to all. I have noticed alot about myself will give examples of how i grow. Ok last year had lost alot of weight hit gym with a decent cycle from march 22 I was 149 lbs. I cycled test 400 at 600 mgs a week and deca 300 at 500 mgs a week. By the end of my cycle i was 195 even and never lost a pound. I stopped working out eating earlier this year because of a job. I got to 180 even that was in febuary. In april i was up to 198 where i am now. and that natural. So i have noticed that my body has astounding muscle memory component. I can grow quickly but only to about this weight. I have tried ever thing when it comes o lifting and eating. From 5000 calories a day to just protein strict diets with over 400 grams of protein. Im planning to cycle in order to break past this plateau.

Im 20 yrs old
5'11
198
12% bf

Ive been lifting hard for the past 3 years constantly.

My past cycle history is 1 st cycle was strait deca 300 at 600 mgs a week. Well just say i didnt research lost all gains. last year my second cycle and well as you can see i did very well.

Now my proposed cycle this time is goign to be very simple in short,

weeks 1-4 Test prop 300 mgs a week
weeks 1-4 Test E 300 mgs a week
weeks 5-12then test e 600 mgs a week weeks 5-12

pct will be hcg at 500 ius a day and clomid 2 weeks after my last shot.

Im looking to put on a solid 20 lbs.

[Navy-boi-kai]

Plse critque leave comments what ever u feel

[bene7422]

Imo I think your to young to be cycling,198lbs is a decent weight for your stats but if I was you I would just that good diet going and train hard for at least another couple years and then think about cycling

[Navy-boi-kai]

yea maybe so. Its just like im stuck man big time. Tried several ways of dieting adding things adding more cards and proteins. Im tkaing in almost 5000 calroies a day. I got a nutritionist but it isnt evne helping.

[(1*)]

change your work out routine to a more anabolic one.
if you do the "normal" chest / back / arms / legs work out routine then go to big compound movements for a while.
like cleans, snatches, jerks, dead lifts, keg cleans, rope slinging etc etc.
once you feel like you can run thru a wall go back to the "normal" routine and you should get better and bigger.

trust us in saying you are too young. you would be better plateuaing for 5 years then to juice now.

[bene7422]

yea maybe so. Its just like im stuck man big time. Tried several ways of dieting adding things adding more cards and proteins. Im tkaing in almost 5000 calroies a day. I got a nutritionist but it isnt evne helping.

yea I understand bro it can be very frustrating sometimes but your still very young and I see alot of guys who's muscles don't actually fully mature till there in their 30's so I'm sure u still have the potential to grow some more.I waited till I was 25 to start cycling and even now I wish I would have waited another year or so

[(1*)]

also post up your diet in the diet forum. the guys in there seem better than dietitians when it comes to building and not just health.

[Navy-boi-kai]

My routine is chest and tri's back and bis then legs and shoulders im thinking of goin to sumthing like this

Week one Full body mon- Wed- Fri

Week 2 Upper Lower Upper lower

Week 3 current routine

then start over

[(1*)]

My routine is chest and tri's back and bis then legs and shoulders im thinking of goin to sumthing like this

Week one Full body mon- Wed- Fri

Week 2 Upper Lower Upper lower

Week 3 current routine

then start over

when you change go to the exercises i just put up... it'll be good.

[bene7422]

I used to train 2 bodyparts at a time but in the past 2 years I have been working 1 bodypart at a time and really concentrating on it and hitting it hard and I have gotten the best gains I've ever had

[Navy-boi-kai]

any suggestions im not quite sure like what u mean? iM sorry im old school man. Simply but effective.

[(1*)]

any suggestions im not quite sure like what u mean? iM sorry im old school man. Simply but effective.

most of them are old school as well so ya'll should get along. search them out. they are more full body movements like olympic lifts.
the others are not conventional and involve work outs that make people stare. try an engine search on them.

[Navy-boi-kai]

ok i will do that for sure. You think will make better gains like that?

[(1*)]

or your money back..........

[Navy-boi-kai]

ok i will do that man. Its just lil frustraiting at times.

[bene7422]

Mon-chest
Tue-back
Wed-legs
Thur-arms
Fri-shoulders/traps

I usually do 4 different excercises for each bodypart with 3 or for good working sets

[Navy-boi-kai]

ok thats pretty kewl.. I will try all this but i do feel like im doing more when i do full body

[(1*)]

ok i will do that man. Its just lil frustraiting at times.

yeah, welcome to "lifting"
lol
we all know what your going through.
good luck

[stpete]

Too many things wrong here. First you're too young for steroids. Then you're ramping test e which is just silly.
I refrain from saying much more cause it might just give you ideas. My suggestion to you is to get your diet and workouts together for a while longer and test yourself naturally before you induldge into anymore juice. You'll be glad you did trust me. You're cutting yourself short at such a young age.

[Navy-boi-kai]

no plse explain stpete i like all advice

[(1*)]

navy
i sent you a pm answering your question you sent me.

[jbm]

IMO! yup change your training...
My workout is like this...
mon=chest
tue=back
wed=shoulder/traps
thurs=arms
fri=legs
sat and sun rest...

mostly compound...

[Navy-boi-kai]

more volume on muscle groups then

[Roshambo]

muscle confusion is key, always change it up, you will break any plateau natty by rotating your workout routines. always try to challenge your body. if for one year you workout like a robot and do the exact same routine everytime you go to the gym, then I could definately see where your gains will cease.

[t-gunz]

IMO! yup change your training...
My workout is like this...
mon=chest
tue=back
wed=shoulder/traps
thurs=arms
fri=legs
sat and sun rest...

mostly compound...

mine is similar but i put legs in the middle of the week to give my upper body a rest.

p.s. train arms late on a Friday night so you got the pump when you go out

[Navy-boi-kai]

i sure will do that.

[thai-lan]

i think you r still pretty young to cycle maybe you should wait for another two years and do it when ur 22. Its all up to you tho

[Dancer]

Around 2004 there was a lotta studies about the set point theory. In basic your body will stay at a weight it is maintaining simply because it is confirtable at that point. for you in the 190s. I was having the same struggle back in 1999.

I was stuck at 195 con hell or high water. I added slin and did a heavy cycle. Back then we didnt know much about slin cycles and eating for them, I gained more fat (went from 9%-13%).... I am not advising you to use slin. I am just giving back ground.

First your age is a problem but whats done is done and its done so forget about what is done. Dont live with regrets could have, should have, didnt... so lets deal with the issues at hand...

First, you do have to change your training to break the set point, and many suggestions here are going to help you with training the prior advise given by other members is gold.

Second, Your cycle is ass backwards, You do not fiinish the cycle with a long ester. It takes longer for the long ester to clear the blood stream and hense longer for the HPTA to be restored. If you are going to finish with a different ester make the last 2 weeks prop then PCT.

Third, Test only cycle is just that Test only. Been there done that cycle. Solidification will be helped with addition of tren. I like tren a and test p cycles personally.

I dont know what your body fat is or was. I can say this much at a young age you do not have muscle maturity, hense lesser density. Rapid weight gain is not gonna result is lower body fat percentage. Going back to the start of the reply, dont do a ass backwards cycle and add prop at the end. Dont run test alone. Stop worring about what you weight (easy said right..lol).

Change your training

cycle properly

It seams you know how to eat so keep that part up

I think the hardest part for a younger guy is (was for me in them old days) to keep your eye on the goal. Set a goal for yourself at this point it should be solidification. Your daily and sometimes weekly weight fluctuations is just a distraction.

[Navy-boi-kai]

I thank everyone so you sahying that by now i shouldnt be running just test alone? But the site and much of what is said also says that run test only first few cycles? Im just wanting to make sure i dont want to screw up a cycle. SO i am open to all the needed advice. I appricate what ur saying that my traning will needa be changed and im will start that monday for sure.

[Lightsout2184]

Too many things wrong here. First you're too young for steroids. Then you're ramping test e which is just silly.
I refrain from saying much more cause it might just give you ideas. My suggestion to you is to get your diet and workouts together for a while longer and test yourself naturally before you induldge into anymore juice. You'll be glad you did trust me. You're cutting yourself short at such a young age.

he isnt ramping the test look at it again. by the time he switches 2 test e only testosterone levels will have reached supraphysiological levels, switching esters wont matter.

[Dancer]

I thank everyone so you sahying that by now i shouldnt be running just test alone? But the site and much of what is said also says that run test only first few cycles? Im just wanting to make sure i dont want to screw up a cycle. SO i am open to all the needed advice. I appricate what ur saying that my traning will needa be changed and im will start that monday for sure.

Its not your first cycle if you have used before.

[Navy-boi-kai]

no its not my first cycle.

[Navy-boi-kai]

So it is fine to go ahead and cut the prop out as i planned then just up my test e?