My First Cycle, Sustanon 250/Oral Stanozolol (Winny)

[Snake11269]

Hello all,

Please read everything before leaving a response, thanks.

I am going to be doing my first cycle of steroids in the winter time about November 2009. I am writing this now so I can get as many opinions and maybe learn more in what I’m about to get into, I hope you can take the time and read this and give me advice first hand instead of reading about other people’s postings cause everyone has different stats and experience, I want advice towards my stats and experience. I am going to be as detailed as possible so sorry if it looks like I’m writing a novel. I will greatly appreciate your advice.

My stats
Age – 19 yrs. old now, I will be 20 during cycle
Height – 5’7”
Weight – 150 lbs.
Body fat – around 7%
Forearm flexed – 11 inches
Forearm not flexed – 10.5 inches
Arm flexed – 13.75 inches
Arm not flexed – 12.5 inches
Neck – 14.5 inches
Chest – 40 inches
Back – 20 inches
Waist (at belly button) - 30.5 inches
Hips – 32 inches
Calves – 12.75 inches
Quads – 19 inches

I know what you’re thinking after reading that… “You are too young for steroids, get your diet in check, train hard, take creatine, take weight gainer, etc…”

More background info/Life story
Well I have been working out since 9th grade, I was 14 years old and I weighed around 105 lbs. I have taken all kinds of supplements: Glutamine, Creatine, Weight gainers, Whey Protein, Multi-Vitamins, and NO products through-out high school. At the age of 16 I had a personal trainer for about 4 months. By the time I graduated high school I weighed 130 and I was 17 yrs. old. I have had another personal trainer this past year. I have taken Personal Training classes for 6 months; I didn’t want to get certified cause lack of time. I have taken Nutrition classes for 6 months. I have done 2 Pro Hormone cycles during the past year; it gave me decent gains but lost most of it while coming off (yes I did a post cycle incase your wondering). I am 19 years old now and I only have gained 20 pounds since high school ended. I have been training constant since high school at least 4 times a week with about one week rest every 3 months, I change my routine (sets, reps, weight, intensity, rest periods) about every 3 months. Trust me I know a lot and I read a lot about body building and I have everything in check so I hope I don’t get some replies that are trying to make me feel stupid. Some of you all might think I’m just a young guy that doesn’t know much cause my stats but that’s not the case at all. So now that I told you more about myself I hope you can help me a whole lot more.

My Cycle
I have been doing lots of research for months to find the best stack as my first cycle, and I came up with Sustanon 250 and Oral Stanozolol (Winny) as my first cycle. I want to get my moneys worth and at least keep 75% of all gains after the cycle. I read that a lot of people would say just take Test E by itself as their first cycle but the ability to keep gains is not as great as Sustanon 250 would be. I am stacking the oral Stanozolol to give me more of a lean bulk look towards the end of the cycle and also the ability to keep the gains is far greater. Stanozolol will help keep the water retention down as well. I am planning on taking Nolvadex 10mg ED for the entire cycle to keep the estrogen bloat down and also as a post cycle. This is one website with information that helped me make up my mind in which steroids to take. (I hope posting websites is ok with rules and regulations on here)
Sustanon 250 - http://www.premium-steroids.com/inde...products_id=57
Stanozolol (Winny)- http://www.premium-steroids.com/inde...roducts_id=124

This is what my cycle will look like.
Sustanon 250
Weeks 1 to 10 - 125mg E3D

Oral Stanozolol (Winny)
Weeks 4 to 10 - 40mg ED
Or (cause the long esters of Sustanon)
Weeks 5 to 11 - 40mg ED

Nolvadex
Weeks 1 to 10 – 10mg ED
and/or
Weeks 11 to 14 – 30mg ED
or tapered down like this
Weeks 11,12,13,14 – 50mg ED, 40mg ED, 30mg ED, 20mg ED

My Questions
1. I have read in other forums that 250mg of Sustanon a week is sufficient for first time users but to me that seems too little since other Test products take 500mg a week, so I will be taking 375mg a week; 125mg E3D. I also read that Sustanon should be taken EOD but I don’t want to inject that many times and I’m trying to keep the dosage at a not too low or not too high range. Does this sound ok? Remember this is my first cycle I don't want to take too much where side effects are harsh but I don't want to take too little where I don't see any results.

2. Most oral steroids shouldn't be taken more than a duration period of 6-8 weeks so I will be taking Stanozolol for 7 weeks. But I am not to sure if I should start at week 4-10 or start at week 5-11, I say this because the longer esters of Sustanon will still be in my system after my last injection and will 40mg ED of Stanozolol be sufficient? Remember this is my first cycle I don't want to take too much where side effects are harsh but I don't want to take too little where I don't see any results.

3. My estrogen will be high so should I take Nolvadex 10mg ED for the entire cycle or would that hold me back on my gains? I also will be taking Nolvadex as a post cycle, Will this be sufficient? And how exactly should I take it as a post cycle; high dosage tapered down or same MG everyday for a month? And also exactly what week should I start my post cycle; 1 week after last injection, ten days after last injection, 2 weeks after last injection, etc…?

4. I would like your input on taking steroids at my age, try not to be too harsh while answering this lol.

Thanks for taking the time in reading this.

[Gaspari1255]

Alrightttt...

I'm gonna start off by saying I am pretty pleased with your research and serious tone in your thread. It sounds like you really care about what you wanna do and youre not just half-assing it.

However, as you know- you're too young and small to be using gear. Fvck all the supplements. Food, Food, Food, Food, more food. There is A LOT of weight that you could potentially gain with a massive amount of calories. Hang around the diet forums and ask tons of questions. Jimjamy is your man to talk to about diet.

Unfourtantely, it seems like youre going to use gear regardless of what I or anyone else on here tells you.

If you have your mind set on cycling then keep it basic. 10 weeks of testoserone ethanate at 500mg a week. Screw the winstrol, you don't need to worry about too much bloat or leaning out judging by your stats. Nolvadex/Clomid should be your PCT (two weeks after last injection).


*And delete those damn links to the website, totally against the rules.
Hopefully you'll make the right decision and EATTTTTT without using gear

[lovbyts]

Agreed with the above post, you have done your research. BUT you have not learned any lessons. Yes you are to young no matter how much you think you know about it you are still to young for the health reasons you can not bypass that just because you have educated yourself. You still get an F for not being about to apply the knowledge.

Dont do a cycle yet. To young, to small. I will NOT condone this in any way. You WILL regret it later if you do.

Use the knolege and do the right thing. Wait. Show you are more intelegent than most 19 yr olds and since you did this much research into the cycle now do it into your diet and you will see GREAT gains without any of the risks or side effects.