To Be a Pro

[Andrew92]

Whats up guys, I have asparations to be a Pro Bodybuilder, Id love to be on the Olympia stage some day. Getting there is very tough, and im not only talking about the Training, but the Drug use. Just want to know the ''Amount'' I might have to be doing some day in order to reach
Pro Competition level. Thanks alot. Andrew

Stats:20 y/o

weight-210lbs

training:6 years

Diet:6 meals/day, High protein, moderate carbs depending on the day.

[redz]

Pros take alot of gear, but there is alot more to it then just taking gear, it's taking huge amounts of supplements and food all the time. Total dedication all the time, it's a big decision I think you need to start with smaller goals and see how it works out for you competing at lower levels.

[ghettoboyd]

its not the amount so much as the diet and moderate carbs aint gonna do it bro....you really need to visit the diet forum.....and at 20 your already at peak levels of test why do you want to screw up your hpta system now? you have your whole life to get big...

[BIG_GUNS_21]

It all starts with diet and training...Once you peak there then the drugs come into play. But what you may want to try is set a goal to compete in a local show, do all your prep and try to stay natural for a few shows and see if thats for you. If you enjoy it and do well then think of taking the next step.

[Vitruvian-Man]

you never provided your height or bodyfat% bro..

-VM

[c-Z]

Genetics play a big role as well...... Not all of us can be pros

[Knockout_Power]

I always caution to answering these kind of questions. What a Pro uses at that point in their career should not even be mentionned to a beginner. If and when you decide you are educated enough to start cycling, you have to start with the basics. A Simple test only cycle is the best way to introduce your body to the world of AAS. This is how the Pro's got started and its why they are where the are at. If you were to try and run even half of what they do, the results would be a crap shoot but Im guessing you would be severly screwed beyond recovery.

It takes years of experience adding extra compounds to a cycle to see what works for your body type and what you should avoid. How each compound effects you, if you see sides effects, how you can manage those side effects, having the knowledge to recover from such heavy cycles etc...

Please make sure you do proper research to start off. Dont even start considering what the Pro's use.

And yes, you are currently way too young to even start cycling.

KP

[gymnerd]

Pros take HUGE amounts of drugs to the point were they are most are not healthy. I would say that you would really have to love BB to the extreme because there is not alot of money except for a select few and not alot of fame either so it doesnt seem worth it to me.

BTW if yopu think you can just hop on the amounts they use forget it that will make you very sick only some people can even tolerate the doses they run and it took them years to build up to it. Why not try your luck in powerlifting?

[Andrew92]

If im not Mistaken some Pros take up to 2000mg's of Test a Week. Including more gear to Stack. ''Gymnerd'' Iv thought about powerlifting but its not for me Iv always wanted to become a Bodybuilder.

[taiboxa]

lol, you all make me laugh..
its not ABOUT AAS
its about DIET
and 2000mg test/wk?
i have taken more then that in a day.. but seriously do any of you know any pros? or seen their actual cycles?

[scribbs12]

bump for hieght & BF%

and dont let anyone tell you, you need to start with smaller goals.. if you want it, go get it.. but accountability equals credibility... dont talk it up to everyone friends and family etc.. and then dont go through with it.. well good luck anyways..

[gymnerd]

lol, you all make me laugh..
its not ABOUT AAS
its about DIET
and 2000mg test/wk?
i have taken more then that in a day.. but seriously do any of you know any pros? or seen their actual cycles?

Im pretty freindly with a national guy and what he posts and what he runs are completely different 2g test and 1g tren on top of other drugs along with 10-20iu hgh and insulin in huge amounts.

There is no doubt that diet is key as well as training but drug use is huge no questiuon about it.

Put it this way if me and you had similar genetics and at that level our diet was 100% like you would expect and I was out dosing you would that not be the difference maker? He asked about drug use specificly and I can guarntee you not one guy on the olympia stage runs small cycles.

[Knockout_Power]

Well, I havent seen too many 5'10, 280lb, 4% bf natural bodybuilders who got there soley on their stellar diet. We are not discussing how important diet is, only that the OP wants to know how much they use and us advising against him getting that kind of knowledge so early in his life so he doesnt make a bad decision.

[AlphaMaleDawg]

the op never said he was gonna juice now. He just asked how much he should be doing when he advances his career, right op?

[c-Z]

lol, you all make me laugh..
its not ABOUT AAS
its about DIET
and 2000mg test/wk?
i have taken more then that in a day.. but seriously do any of you know any pros? or seen their actual cycles?

Calling your bluff on 2000mgs of test in a day. Sounds like a crock of sh*t too me. But then again if not then congratulations you just won idiot of the year award. Because at one moment you mention its about diet yet your taking 2000mg in a day..... Smart..........

Pros know how to eat. They know how to diet. So yes steroids play a big role. If they didn't use AAS they wouldn't be as big as they are my friend. And that is no thought. That is a proven fact. Unless you can show me someone as big as these guys natural... Then YES aas is extremely important in making them what they are.

However diet is extremely important. And fireguy is a great example. Dude looks better than guys that are using AAS.

[Valac]

+1 c-Z

[Arian]

This is a quote from Lee Priest, they were discussing how much pros spend a year on steroids.
"I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHER GUYS BUT MY LAST 2 PRO SHOWS I DIETED 12 WEEKS WITH GEAR IT COST ME AROUND $1,600..ALSO I DID 3 SHOWS EARLY IN YEAR IN 06 WON IRONMAN DID ARNOLD AND AUSSIE SHOW ...THEN DID 2 PDI SHOWS..IT WAS LIKE AROUND 5,000 FOR THE WHOLE YEAR.....BUT I DON'T USE GH..HAVEN'T IN YEARS...SO IF I ADDED GROWTH IT MIGHT BE CLOSE TO 10,000 DEPENDS ON THE MARKET NOW DOSEN'T IT AND IF PEOPLE ARE RIPPING YOU OFF............BUT THE FIGURES 100,000...OR MORE THEN 50,000 YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING..**** OVER 20,000 YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE NUTS.........."

[stevey_6t9]

u gota be willing to risk ur life to be a pro, all the drugs and diuretics take its toll on you.

[Kdub]

lol, you all make me laugh..
its not ABOUT AAS
its about DIET
and 2000mg test/wk?
i have taken more then that in a day.. but seriously do any of you know any pros? or seen their actual cycles?

I second this.

In the early 90's when Paul Dillet came to Aussie for guest posing he asked for 10 Sust a day while he was there. 2500 mg per day.

When Mike Matarazzo came down under he used 2, 200 ml bladders (Coopers Banrot) of Cyp at 75mg/ml. He finished them both and gave them back empty. We was there for 10 days. That is 40 ml per day or 3000 mg per day.

But all that crank is pointless when you don't eat.

I trained with a buddy of Ronnie's in 96 down under. When Ronnie came he never went out, just ate all day. I quickly understood what it meant to be a pro.

What drugs you can get
Are the drugs real
How much can you afford
How much food can you eat and digest and absorb
How well do you respond to the drugs as you will not come off for 10 years
How disciplined are you with your meals
How quickly you can find the balance between drugs, food and training to maximize your results

Consistency in eating is a major factor. I was told the reason why the guys at the top are at the top is also because they haven't missed a meal in 4 years... for example.

I had a look at a list of compounds guys were taking and they were taking everything they could get their hands on. It was all thrown into the pot and the diet is what sorted the gains out.

Many guys in Aussie who had potential were moving to England. Why? Too hot to eat in Aussie and too hot to train with the humidity. England is also a Common Wealth country and the cool weather brings the appetite back.

[taiboxa]

if you all wanna know about SEROIUS aas usage.. then you should change from BB'ing to Strongman/Powerlifters..
trust me.. they are the true envelope pushers in the aas world..

[Kibble]

if you all wanna know about SEROIUS aas usage.. then you should change from BB'ing to Strongman/Powerlifters..
trust me.. they are the true envelope pushers in the aas world..

That's where I wanna be someday, and I will do whatever it takes to get there. Pushing for the 1-Ton club now.
Aiming for:
700 Squat
700 Deadlift
600 Bench

[Okinawa_Power]

lol, you all make me laugh..
its not ABOUT AAS
its about DIET
and 2000mg test/wk?
i have taken more then that in a day.. but seriously do any of you know any pros? or seen their actual cycles?

Yes I know a IFBB pro!!! Lots of MuscleTech supplements......and gummi bears......and twinkes.......

[BJJ]

I second this.

In the early 90's when Paul Dillet came to Aussie for guest posing he asked for 10 Sust a day while he was there. 2500 mg per day.

When Mike Matarazzo came down under he used 2, 200 ml bladders (Coopers Banrot) of Cyp at 75mg/ml. He finished them both and gave them back empty. We was there for 10 days. That is 40 ml per day or 3000 mg per day.

But all that crank is pointless when you don't eat.

I trained with a buddy of Ronnie's in 96 down under. When Ronnie came he never went out, just ate all day. I quickly understood what it meant to be a pro.

What drugs you can get
Are the drugs real
How much can you afford
How much food can you eat and digest and absorb
How well do you respond to the drugs as you will not come off for 10 years
How disciplined are you with your meals
How quickly you can find the balance between drugs, food and training to maximize your results

Consistency in eating is a major factor. I was told the reason why the guys at the top are at the top is also because they haven't missed a meal in 4 years... for example.

I had a look at a list of compounds guys were taking and they were taking everything they could get their hands on. It was all thrown into the pot and the diet is what sorted the gains out.

Many guys in Aussie who had potential were moving to England. Why? Too hot to eat in Aussie and too hot to train with the humidity. England is also a Common Wealth country and the cool weather brings the appetite back.

You meant rainy!

[t-gunz]

^^^ excatly those gummi bears work wonders lol

[Kdub]

You meant rainy!

Yes! I used to live in Belgium and the daily rain was great for training.

I am now in the tropics, which is worse than Australia and if I could have eaten more food I would have made better gains this recent cycle.

[Andrew92]

Right ''Alphadawg'' Just want to know what I Might have to be taking Down the Line. Nothing like that NOW.

[Andrew92]

''Scribs'' BF 12% Height 6'0ft

[Hard.On]

Rule # 1 - Don't Count On It


My first piece of advice: Don't count on it. Very, very few are lucky enough to have the genetics to go all the way. Unless you have a natural X-shaped body with wide shoulders and narrow hips, you should definitely keep your day job.

That is not to say you can't make drastic improvements, but if you want to reach a point where you win enough competitions and endorsement contracts to make a living, you need more than a "great" body. You need it to be "Perfect". A good reality check is to stand in front of the mirror and look up a bodybuilding magazine.

Flip to the coverage of an event and take a good look at, say number 7 or 8. Hit the same poses as that guy and compare the picture in the magazine and what you see in the mirror.


The guy in the magazine isn't a top name and probably has to struggle to pay the bills. You have to beat him with good margin to succeed.

It is very important that you're realistic about this. Just like it's naïve to pack your bags and head for Hollywood in the hope that some producer will "discover" you when you're walking down the street and make you the next Tom Cruise, it is naïve to bet everything on a pro career.

Even if you have excellent genetics and think that you have an honest chance of breaking into the pro ranks, at least keep educating yourself as you go. Let's say you move to Venice, CA, get a small apartment close to Gold's Gym and start pounding away, giving it your best shot.



Rule # 2 - Training & Eating


Chances are you'll have to take a part-time job to pay the bills between the training and the eating, but you should still have plenty of spare time. This is where you have to be smart. Instead of wasting your time hanging out on the beach, enroll in a distance-learning program and boost your credentials.

There are many classes being offered online (I'll be completing my Web Publishing degree by spring next year, without having set foot in a class room!), so there really is no excuse to not get a backup plan for you. Let's face it - a failed bodybuilder without a college degree doesn't have much to fall back on, except a career as a mover or a bouncer.


Rule # 3 - Enter Contests


Another thing you want to consider when making a serious run for the pro ranks is that experience counts. Enroll in small, local contests to get a feel for how the game is played! You will need many competition preparations just to figure out how your body will react to dieting and the stress associated with the competition itself. Posing is another area where experience is priceless.


No matter how many times you rehearse your routine in front of the mirror at home, you'll need to be on stage to truly know how it is. Last but not least, you'll have to learn to master the less glamorous details, such as getting the right posing trunks, shaving your body (!), tanning evenly (white armpits is a classic novice mistake) and oiling yourself up.

Rule # 4 - Evaluate


With a few local competitions under your belt, it's time for you to re-evaluate your goal. Did you win? Did you finish dead last? Did people cheer when you hit a most muscular, or did they laugh and throw things at you? If it's the latter, you should definitely keep your day job and forget the pro ranks.

And even if you won, you'll have to ask yourself if it's really what you want to do for a living. If you chose to go for it, you'll have to take it all the way with all it entails, so you better be prepared mentally if you are to succeed.


Rule # 5 - Get Noted


Now, if you have the genetics, you have done well in the local competitions, and you are prepared to do all it takes to become a pro, you have another struggle to face: How do you make a name for yourself, so that you get the all-important face time you need to get the callouts in the serious competitions? Connections, connections, connections.

Schmooze. Get noted (in a positive way). But most important of all, you'll have to let your physique speak for itself.


Conclusion


In conclusion, it's hard. Only a small handful of people get a pro card each year, and most of THEM never rise to fame and glory. If you honestly believe you can make it, by all means, give it a shot. But, for your own sake:

Get a solid education to fall back on, no matter how optimistic you are! Do not compromise your health. It's just not worth it!

[Andrew92]

''Kdub'' Holy shit No wounder why Mike Matarazzo had a Heart Attack. I saw a video of him saying how he use to destroy his body in the hotel room the night before the Competition.

[vpchill]

TwoTimer, That's some old Mark Twain shit!!! Good stuff.

[taiboxa]

That's where I wanna be someday, and I will do whatever it takes to get there. Pushing for the 1-Ton club now.
Aiming for:
700 Squat
700 Deadlift
600 Bench

raw or suited lifts?

and i love strong man training, fun as hell... like i have stated in the past.. functional strength training is a completely different world from traditional resistance training..

[Kdub]

''Kdub'' Holy shit No wounder why Mike Matarazzo had a Heart Attack. I saw a video of him saying how he use to destroy his body in the hotel room the night before the Competition.

Yeah, I don't know what Arnold took but it sure as heck wasn't 15,000 mg of test a week and he still looked way better than the pros today. I read he didn't even use test - none of them did back then.

I guess he was a one-off and the rest of the world is still playing catch up.

The guys couldn't believe it when Mike gave back two empty 200 ml bladders. He must have been injecting everywhere especially the back.