strength training & muscle loss

[EternalStud]

Hey guys, in a few weeks here (most likely a month) I am starting my summer cutter consisting of tren and test prop (test 525mg/wk, tren 350mg/wk) as i've mentioned in a few topics and my goal is to gain TONS of strength and get shredded. Hypertrophy whether it happens or not is not important to me right now whatsoever. I recently read an article and talked to a few people who said that strength training since it mostly stimulates the CNS and leades to myofibrillar hypertrophy, can actually make you loose size. Is this true at all? I mean I know i dont care about mass right now, but I sure as hell don't want to loose any muscle while im getting shredded and stronger. If anyone could shed some light on this that'd be awesome.

BTW workout looks like this

all lifts are 3x6 for strength a 2x a week. Never to failure.

Mon: Legs
Tues: Chest, tris
Wed: Back, bis
Thurs: Legs
Fri: Chest, tris
Sat: Back, bis
Sun: OFF

[laduem88]

routine seems to be a little much..just my 2 cents

[gbrice75]

Possibly overtraining. How long have you been running that routine?

[EternalStud]

routine seems to be a little much..just my 2 cents

I kind of figured it might be since it was when I was bulking toward the end I started to over train and it sucked, but that was when going to failure and training for mass. Not to mention I was only running test 500mg/wk. Not i'll have it at 525mg/week + more test since its prop (shorter ester/more free test) and tren at 350mg/week. On top of all that, im training for strength and only using 3x6 which cuts down volume and recovery time. What should I improve?

[stevey_6t9]

not enough rest if you ask me. 2 on 1 off might be better in your case.

[EternalStud]

not enough rest if you ask me. 2 on 1 off might be better in your case.

Could you explain a bit more in detail? I definitely see where you are coming from so it's not like i'm oblivious to it, it's just that i see how I handled it well till the end of my bulking cycle with only 500mg test e. Now that im running prop at 525mg and introducing tren along with a super high protein diet (cutting) as well as lowered volume and training for strength (3x6) i see the potential for it to work well.

[songdog]

your muscles grow outside of the gym.not in it.you need rest.Working out 3 to 4 days a week is plenty.You cant rush it.

[BJJ]

routine seems to be a little much..just my 2 cents

Possibly overtraining. How long have you been running that routine?

your muscles grow outside of the gym.not in it.you need rest.Working out 3 to 4 days a week is plenty.You cant rush it.

agreed

[theorignalanimal]

BTW workout looks like this

all lifts are 3x6 for strength a 2x a week. Never to failure.

Mon: Legs
Tues: Chest, tris
Wed: Back, bis
Thurs: Legs
Fri: Chest, tris
Sat: Back, bis
Sun: OFF

Hi mate how comes you not hitting shoulders at all?????

[EternalStud]

agreed

you agree to lifting 3-4 days a week only?

BTW, you guys do know this is STRENGTH TRAINING. Never training to failure....only doing 3 reps per set. Not close to high volume like a regular bb routine. You need MUCH more rest for mass building than strength. And why do olympic lifters do work the same bodypart of to 4 times a week? I mean I see where you guys are coming but dang, you haven't even mentioned ONE bit of evidence other than "you grow outside the gym, not in" and I agree, but can you please elaborate on why i need to cut it down more even though its not a bb routine with tons of volume which requires alot of rest.

[Jbert22]

id also like to know if that is overtraining. if so i work out 5 days a week for bout an hour intensly. maybe thats too much also???? im a hard gainer too

[Arian]

you agree to lifting 3-4 days a week only?

BTW, you guys do know this is STRENGTH TRAINING. Never training to failure....only doing 3 reps per set. Not close to high volume like a regular bb routine. You need MUCH more rest for mass building than strength. And why do olympic lifters do work the same bodypart of to 4 times a week? I mean I see where you guys are coming but dang, you haven't even mentioned ONE bit of evidence other than "you grow outside the gym, not in" and I agree, but can you please elaborate on why i need to cut it down more even though its not a bb routine with tons of volume which requires alot of rest.

Have you ever done any kind of research into strength training. It's just the opposite. You need lots more rest when training for strength as opposed to size. A lot of big powerlifting athletes will only do their main lifts once every two weeks. And you need evidence that you grow outside of the gym, not in it? What the hell man? You break down muscle by working out, you build it back up by eating and resting. Definitely need to work your shoulders too.

[Arian]

id also like to know if that is overtraining. if so i work out 5 days a week for bout an hour intensly. maybe thats too much also???? im a hard gainer too

I normally work out 5 days a week myself. I do:

Chest
Back
Shoulders
Arms
Legs
Rest
Rest

Might be a little too much, but I like spreading it out so I can really focus on each muscle group.

[Jbert22]

ye ima stick with the 5 day/week workouts and maybe not so intense. also i seem to heal slowly when i get a wound. wonder if that means my muscles rebuild themselves slowly also?

[thisbmine]

By the way, you do know none of us are being paid or are professionals?
We're only passing on advice here, generally with the basis that it worked for us, or we've read/seen about it.
If the advice doesnt make sense to you dont act on it. However, if you continue doing what youre doing you'll get what youve got. If you know more than us, don't ask us for help. You'll just make us feel stupid

[Arian]

I would stick with the intensity, that's the only way you grow. Just don't use many of the things like Forced Reps, Partial Reps, stuff like that. That puts a strain on your Central Nervous System and can put you into overtraining.

[thisbmine]

Jbert - love that avatar btw

[EternalStud]

Have you ever done any kind of research into strength training. It's just the opposite. You need lots more rest when training for strength as opposed to size. A lot of big powerlifting athletes will only do their main lifts once every two weeks. And you need evidence that you grow outside of the gym, not in it? What the hell man? You break down muscle by working out, you build it back up by eating and resting. Definitely need to work your shoulders too.

Look guys, I wasn't saying I needed proof that resting is where growth occurs and training breaks down the muscle. I agree that's a no brainer. I wanted proof that TRAINING 2X OF THE SAME BODYPART A WEEK IS OVERTRAINING EVEN WHEN TRAINING FOR STRENGTH NOT HYPERTROPHY. As for powerlifting maybe they dont do their primary lifts more than once a week since they do mostly 1RM which could burn the CNS out, but im not doing that. im doing 3x5 training and might even drop to 3x4, not to mention it will be during summer when i go home from college so ill have tons of sleep, lots of food. I feel like i could handle it considering I did quite well with it until 3/4 way through during bulking and that was mostly due to high stress levels because of a bad time in my life as well as minimal sleep, and a nutrition plan that was solid in the beginning but like i said life threw a curveball and i couldnt stay consistant. Now that my life is back on track and golden, runnin tren and test at higher dosages than before, great diet, plenty of sleep, and virtually no stress, I feel like my body could handle it, not to mention if there's any sign of over training (ie tiredness, no motivation to lift, lethargic, etc) then ill change it up and lay off. Not to mention im 21 which is young.

[graeme87]

Go over to the powerlifting section to find advice on a routine. I'd say try a 3 day strength training routine push, pull and legs day. The main focus will be squat, bench and deadlifts using 1-3 reps with 80-100% of your 1 rep max for the working sets, obviously warm-ups are lighter and the assistance exercises are done with an easy to manage weight for approximately 10 reps not to failure.

Because its 3 days a week instead of 6 you can go heavier and with a bit more volume than you are doing now.

[EternalStud]

Go over to the powerlifting section to find advice on a routine. I'd say try a 3 day strength training routine push, pull and legs day. The main focus will be squat, bench and deadlifts using 1-3 reps with 80-100% of your 1 rep max for the working sets, obviously warm-ups are lighter and the assistance exercises are done with an easy to manage weight for approximately 10 reps not to failure.

Because its 3 days a week instead of 6 you can go heavier and with a bit more volume than you are doing now.

thanks man!