TRT and still ED =(

[Raziel]

I have been on Androgel (4 pumps a day)since April 9th and I am still suffering from ED, shouldn't the gel have at least caused some imporvement in this by now??? I asked my doc if I could increase to 6 pumps a day but of course he said to just wait it out, like most docs do. I made an apointment to come in on June 15th and im going to discuss other forms of treatment, I hate the gel, I'm always worried im going to transfer it or that ti will come off. What other options do I have? I know there is injections, but i've been told that because of the peaks and valleys that there are some days where you feel like shit. I was a lot happier when i just ran 500 mg of test every week lol, why is it that there seems to be more knowledge here on the internet than in a doctor's office???

[Raziel]

oh also, I had my estradiol levels chacked and they said that everything came back normal

[kitkat]

what were the numbers? I wouldnt trust the coined responce "all looks ok".

[oakdad]

Have them send you a copy of the values and post them along with their ranges.
Odds are your E level is inside of the range they give but you want it at the mid point of the range, another thing could be your prolactin and/or progesterone levels are to high so you might want to ask to get them tested also.

You might also want to read this post.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=347127

And since everyone is about to tell you shots are the only way to go you will want to read this one also.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=1272

[redz]

Ask for the TRT shots instead of the gel. It doesnt sound like the majority of people are happy with the gel.

[zaggahamma]

what were the numbers? I wouldnt trust the coined responce "all looks ok".

ditto wut kitkat said...

and just to add...hormone replacement isnt a guarantee to to free willy...

if you havent already get an appt. with a urologist

[Vettester]

Why is he dragging you out to June 15? If your doc was having the same problem, would he look in the mirror and say, "Just wait it out?" Doubt it, he'd make sure that he's getting all the premier treatments to fix his problem, and he'd be doing it tomorrow.

Agree with everyone, get your lab work copies. These guys like to pontificate ... Just set his ass straight!

[Raziel]

Hey guys thanks for all the input. I was able to get a closer apointment for the 31st of this month, so until then looks like im gona have to rely on some liquid Cia from Lion. I will most def request a copy of my levels and try to get it on here. I have a question about the injections. if my doc (he is a urologist by the way) orders me lets say 200mg for every 2 weeks, would there be anythign wrong with me splitting that up into 50mg twice a week? I wouldn't be doing more that he prescribed me to do, but that way I would have more stable blood values of test right?

[Epic Ed]

Hey guys thanks for all the input. I was able to get a closer apointment for the 31st of this month, so until then looks like im gona have to rely on some liquid Cia from Lion. I will most def request a copy of my levels and try to get it on here. I have a question about the injections. if my doc (he is a urologist by the way) orders me lets say 200mg for every 2 weeks, would there be anythign wrong with me splitting that up into 50mg twice a week? I wouldn't be doing more that he prescribed me to do, but that way I would have more stable blood values of test right?

One of my primary reasons for getting my T levels checked out was due to E.D. I started 100mg EW back at the end of Feb. and it helped boost my energy, well being, and mental clarity, but didn't do a lot for my dick. My libido return to decent form over the first six weeks, but I still had intermittent performance issues -- especially with finishing the job.

Mid-April I started a new protocol that added deca to see how it would help with joint issues and subsequently bumped my regular TRT dose from 100mg to 360mg EW. Wel, that solved my E.D. problem. Over the last month my diamond-cutter has returned to poon-pounding form and my wife is mighty happy with the results. But even with an increase test cyp dose I'd say it has taken me the better part of three months to get to a level that feels like normal. I'd say give it some more time. My doc said that it sometimes take 4-6 months for all systems to fully realize the benefits of normal T levels again.

[Vettester]

Hey guys thanks for all the input. I was able to get a closer apointment for the 31st of this month, so until then looks like im gona have to rely on some liquid Cia from Lion. I will most def request a copy of my levels and try to get it on here. I have a question about the injections. if my doc (he is a urologist by the way) orders me lets say 200mg for every 2 weeks, would there be anythign wrong with me splitting that up into 50mg twice a week? I wouldn't be doing more that he prescribed me to do, but that way I would have more stable blood values of test right?

Yeah, or go with 100mg/wk ... Or 50mg/2xwk ... But I'd avoid doing any dosage only 1x every 2 weeks.

[Raziel]

Yeah, or go with 100mg/wk ... Or 50mg/2xwk ... But I'd avoid doing any dosage only 1x every 2 weeks.

exactly what i thought, I dont know why the boys in white coats dont understand that there doesnt have to be peaks and vallies with injection therapy, hopefully I can make him see the light.

Actually, i do have previous shoulder injuries that would benefit from Deca (torn tendons and low cartilage in joints) How should I go about asking to have that incorporated into my TRT programm?

[Vettester]

exactly what i thought, I dont know why the boys in white coats dont understand that there doesnt have to be peaks and vallies with injection therapy, hopefully I can make him see the light.

Actually, i do have previous shoulder injuries that would benefit from Deca (torn tendons and low cartilage in joints) How should I go about asking to have that incorporated into my TRT programm?

You go into it with your fingers crossed! Just ask them straight up and tell them that you've read numerous articles where deca therapy was the protocol. Probably no middle road here ... They will know it, agree with you, and jump on board, or they will look at you with a blank stare and begin to lecture you on the harm of these types of steroids.

Reading your story about Gel and your doc making you wait it out, my bet is that he might not even know what deca is. I brought it up to my primary doc a year ago, and she didn't know what deca was. Once she looked it up in her database, she quickly ruled it out and said it was for patients with worse case scenarios. She claimed that I would get "Roid Rage" if I took deca with testosterone.

Well, I'm taking 200mg/wk right now ... So if you'll excuse me, I'm getting really pissed off and I'm going to go break down the walls, windows, and beat my cat!!! It's like a Ben Affleck moment ...

[Epic Ed]

LMAO, vette...

I'm with you. I've been running 240mg EW for about 5 weeks and it is helping with the knee joints. I worked over my orth doc and my GP for a script for deca to see if it would help and both were against the idea. The ortho doc warned me against even doing testosterone because it would surely lead to prostate cancer.

I found a legit HRT doc that finally hooked me up and that's likely the only kind of doc that will write that kind of script.

[pittbulldad]

LMAO, vette...

I'm with you. I've been running 240mg EW for about 5 weeks and it is helping with the knee joints. I worked over my orth doc and my GP for a script for deca to see if it would help and both were against the idea. The ortho doc warned me against even doing testosterone because it would surely lead to prostate cancer.

I found a legit HRT doc that finally hooked me up and that's likely the only kind of doc that will write that kind of script.

there has been no proof ... EVER.. that high testosterone levels lead to prostate cancer.. actually the evidence points to LOW levels...

[zaggahamma]

it only poses a problem if the cancer exists already....high estro/low test are bad news

[Raziel]

lol nice vette. yeah it really suprises me how little all of these docs know about steroids, seems like they are just as ignorant and swallowed up by false myths as the general public. I have some deca on hand, I was planning on doing Test E and deca for my 2nd cycle, but I think I'm gona hold off on that until I get the TRT protocol in line.

On a side note...good lord the liquid Cia from Lion works like a charm lol =)

[Raziel]

hey guys just saw my doc today, aproved me for self injections and has me on 100mg of test Cyp a week any tips or things i should keep in mind? He didnt want me back for bloodwork in 6 months.

[flatscat]

6 months is a little long

[Raziel]

Yeah I thought so too but at least He is letting me do weekly injections so I shouldnt have a drop off in my levels correct? This is my 1st time using test cyp, I've only used Test Enth in the past.

[Raziel]

I had a thought I wanted to run by some of you vets. Would it be better to save my deca for a cycle down the road? or start adding it into my TRT? I would benefit a lot from the decreased joint pain and increased immune function.

[Epic Ed]

...nevermind...see your other thread.

[RNMOVR]

I had some wood issues in the middle of a test/winstrol/T3 cycle before. I couldn't understand why. Come to find out it was from the Proscar (Finasteride). One of the long term side effects of these type of drugs are ED. I was only taking it to protect my hairline, but I would rather be bald with my square Fred Flintstone head than have a limp d!ck. So I dropped it and back came the woodpecker.. You didn't say you were on Fina, but a little FYI if you are...