Can an Estrogen Blocker cuts your Gains in Half??

[Main24]

I'm going start a cycle of Deca and T400, 800mg a wk of each. I know I need to be on a Estrogen blocker, but are there any out there that will not effect my muscle gains?? Or is this just a myth?

Thanks for reading!!

[tboney]

First off.... What are your stats? age? Cycle exp.? estimated body fat %, etc, etc?

[Atomini]

Depends what you're talking about.

An Estrogen Blocker, such as Nolvadex?

Or an Aromatase Inhibitor, such as Aromasin?

Both are different in their mechanisms of action. One prevents estrogen from ever being created in the first place and lowers total estrogen levels in the body, and the other doesn't. In terms of whether or not they're going to hinder gains, that depends on how much of either you use and how frequently. I would say the effects are pretty negligible.

[tboney]

Depends what you're talking about.

An Estrogen Blocker, such as Nolvadex?

Or an Aromatase Inhibitor, such as Aromasin?

Both are different in their mechanisms of action. One prevents estrogen from ever being created in the first place and lowers total estrogen levels in the body, and the other doesn't. In terms of whether or not they're going to hinder gains, that depends on how much of either you use and how frequently. I would say the effects are pretty negligible.

Agreed.. To the OP... stats???? etc?

[Atomini]

An AI doesnt keep estrogen from being created.... It It stops the conversion to estro by way of the aromatase enzyme....

To the OP... stats???? etc?

Which is the primary pathway of estrogen production in males.

Yes, estrogen is still produced in our bodies even when taking an AI, but the amount being created in spite of using an AI is like the equivalent of you pissing in the atlantic ocean.

[tboney]

Which is the primary pathway of estrogen production in males.

Yes, estrogen is still produced in our bodies even when taking an AI, but the amount being created in spite of using an AI is like the equivalent of you pissing in the atlantic ocean.

Right, we are saying the same thing..

[Bonaparte]

Which is the primary pathway of estrogen production in males.

Yes, estrogen is still produced in our bodies even when taking an AI, but the amount being created in spite of using an AI is like the equivalent of you pissing in the atlantic ocean.

Not that it matters, but all estrogen in males is formed by the aromatase enzyme, not most.

[MACHINE5150]

800/800 is a big dose.. i would recomend cutting the deca down to 400mg.. that much is almost a waste.. unless this is your 4th or 5th cycle

[Big]

I'm going start a cycle of Deca and T400, 800mg a wk of each. I know I need to be on a Estrogen blocker, but are there any out there that will not effect my muscle gains?? Or is this just a myth?

Thanks for reading!!

wait, didn't you just start working out 3 months ago?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=440112

[MACHINE5150]

wait, didn't you just start working out 3 months ago?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=440112

ouch!!! man if you just started working out DO NOT DO STEROIDS!!!!

People please uinderstand that we are not trying to be some secret society of big guys, we are CONCERNED for your health!!! If you have been working out for less than a few years then do not do them.. you are just being lazy and as a result your body will BREAK.. You will tear a ligiment or tendon or muscle due to the fact that your body is not ready..

ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE A GRAM AND A HALF OF JUICE.... If you have been working out.. your very first cycle should be no more then 200mg of Deca and 400mg of Test...

TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE LISTENING TO THE GUYS THEY ARE BUYING THE DRUGS OFF OF AND NOT THE PROS WHO DO IT!!!! Of course your guy wants you to do 4 times aws much as you need... because then he sells 4 times as much as he would have otherwise...

Do the right thing and put that juice in a drawer for another year or two.. then do 400mg Test and 200mg of Deca.. DO NOT BE LAZY!!!!

[Ashop]

I'm going start a cycle of Deca and T400, 800mg a wk of each. I know I need to be on a Estrogen blocker, but are there any out there that will not effect my muscle gains?? Or is this just a myth?

Thanks for reading!!

If you use way to much it can hurt your gains but if you use it just right it wont hinder your gains at all and you will even look better. It also depends what anti E's that your using.

[Bonaparte]

ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE A GRAM AND A HALF OF JUICE.... If you have been working out.. your very first cycle should be no more then 200mg of Deca and 400mg of Test...

Deca shouldn't be anywhere near a first cycle, as there are just too many issues that can come up with 19-nors that beginners won't know how to handle.

[Rizdizzle]

wait, didn't you just start working out 3 months ago?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=440112

I enjoy the way Big calls people out.

Awesome lol

[MACHINE5150]

Deca shouldn't be anywhere near a first cycle, as there are just too many issues that can come up with 19-nors that beginners won't know how to handle.

at a dose as low as 200mg i would be suprised to see any side effects, but i suppose there's no harm in waiting till your second cycle to start stacking..

regardless, this guy shouldnt being doing anything.. Main24, do you even have a Post Cycle Therapy plan set up? Or do you intend to gain 20-30lbs and then lose it all a month after while in the midst of the worst depression you have ever experienced (yes worse then if you caught your GF cheating on you)

Who the hell goes to the gym for 90 days and then decides he wants to do steroids?? Do you understand that your hormones will be more out of wack then a pregnant womans?? Would you drop a 454 Big Block with a Nitrous Kit in a Ford Gulf??? Steroids are only for when you hit a glass ceiling after years of training and MORE IMPORTANTLY years of education regarding the subject.

[Bonaparte]

at a dose as low as 200mg i would be suprised to see any side effects, but i suppose there's no harm in waiting till your second cycle to start stacking..

Visible sides? probably not.
But the complete HPTA suppression from the first injection makes it a poor choice for beginners, especially if they might get cold feet and want to abort the cycle after a few weeks, as sometimes happens.

[Atomini]

Not that it matters, but all estrogen in males is formed by the aromatase enzyme, not most.

Yes, but in reference to my comment about pissing in the ocean, the adrenal glands secrete a miniscule amount of estrogen in men.

[Main24]

Ok, So the cycle I just finished was Deca and T400 400gms of each every wk. I had no (bad) side effects and paced my self in the gym. I've just finished my post cycle and had blood work done to see how everything is doing. I'm within normal limits all the way around and my Doctor said I can increase slowly up to 800gm safety as long as we monitor my blood every month. I'm trying to be as safe as possible!

My stats are:
age 24
195lbs
15% BF

I have cycled two times now, but the first cycle was just EQ because I was just into bicycle riding, I got tired of being skinny and only doing cardio so I started weight training (about 1yr ago), but I have only been very serious for about the last 3-4 months.

I hope this cleared it up!

[Big]

in the thread I linked above where you stated you had only been working out 3 months I assumed you were natural, you are no where near a level where you should be cycling, in my opinion. your doctor is giving you very bad advice.

[MACHINE5150]

my Doctor said I can increase slowly up to 800gm safety as long as we monitor my blood every month. I'm trying to be as safe as possible!

Let me guess.. your doctor is the one selling you the juice??

If he knows so much about steroids why bother asking the board anything?

[Main24]

in the thread I linked above where you stated you had only been working out 3 months I assumed you were natural, you are no where near a level where you should be cycling, in my opinion. your doctor is giving you very bad advice.

My Doctor knows more than I do, but he does not claim to be an expert by any means. That is why I'm asking the experts (you guys) for advice.

And to answer the other question, Is he the one I'm getting my gear from?
No he is not.

[tboney]

Yes You are correct! My Doctor knows more than I do, but he does not claim to be an expert by any means. That is why I'm asking the experts (you guys) for advice.

And to answer the other question, Is he the one I'm getting my gear from?
No he is not.

The expert just gave you advice....... You dont need to be cycling..

[Big]

I would advise you to spend several months perfecting your diet and training while studying.

[Main24]

I respect that! Is there a certain way to know when I am ready to cycle again? My diet and work out are dialed!

[Big]

when you approach your genetic potential and reach a plateau.

[Main24]

Ok, that makes sense! Thank you!

[Main24]

It is so addicting to have massive gains in such a short time. Being natural seems depressing. lol

[Big]

keep in mind how depressed you would be when you cycle to gain muscle while not training long enough and consistently enough to develop tendons, ligaments, connective tissue and joints that will support the added muscle and find yourself out of commission for a year or so while healing up. I've seen it many times, and it is quite depressing. train your body as a whole, it's the only one you get.

[Bonaparte]

Yes, but in reference to my comment about pissing in the ocean, the adrenal glands secrete a miniscule amount of estrogen in men.

Cool. I did not know that.