Prop 19 (Cali)...Is it going to pass?

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Prop 19: Polls Show That More Oppose the Marijuana LawFont Size

AAA..Posted November 1, 2010 5:45 PM.
Prop 19 is slowly losing support as a new Field Poll shows that more people are opposing the marijuana law, says the San Francisco Chronicle.

The poll found that 49 percent of voters oppose the legalization of marijuana, while 42 percent say they are in favor. Just a month ago, voters were shown to be in favor of the law. The results have a 3.2 percent margin of error.

The poll also found that most of those that support the law come from the San Francisco Bay Area and northern California.

However, campaign leaders for Prop 19 say that results of polls may be skewed as voters are reluctant to share with polls about their opinions
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Read more: http://www.thirdage.com/news/prop-19...#ixzz149icorMo

[Knockout_Power]

heh, from the title I was thinking you ordered some really weak test Prop

[JDawg1536]

I did my part.

[aPlinker]

I voted in favor of legalization

[Kingweb50]

I voted for it this morning

[stack_it]

Anyone want some cookies?

[tdiddy]

Then that retarded 'herbal incense' may go away

[Jahcuree]

i voted it, but we shall see

[Times Roman]

It died!

[ReX357]

Shitty deal. I'm not a pot smoker and I still agree with the prop. That stuff is much less dangerous than alcohol and your guys' economy could definitly benefit from it.

[Times Roman]

I'm not a pot smoker either, but sometimes I slip at new years or a Raider game. I just don't like the idea of government telling me what I can and cannot do, especially in the privacy of my home, especially when no one gets hurt.


Which is why I registered Libertarian

[livingwithdoms]

not a smoker, but I wish it would have passed.

[SlimmerMe]

Anyone want some cookies?

Pretty....please....

[Sicko]

They need to come up with and impliment a field sobriety test for THC before they will legelize it.They stand to make an astronomical amount of revenue off of DWUI. They cant exactely make you whip it out on the side of the road for a piss test,and cant pull every red eyed smiley faced Joe down to the station on suspicion..Believe you me, the only reason it has not passed yet is directly related to money and to what will create the most of it for the state.

[ReX357]

They need to come up with and impliment a field sobriety test for THC before they will legelize it.They stand to make an astronomical amount of revenue off of DWUI. They cant exactely make you whip it out on the side of the road for a piss test,and cant pull every red eyed smiley faced Joe down to the station on suspicion..Believe you me, the only reason it has not passed yet is directly related to money and to what will create the most of it for the state.

I'm pretty confident they have a swab test available already. They swab your mouth with a q-tip and then they can do a color test on the swab or something. Don't quote me on that.

[Gaspari1255]

I'm happy it didn't pass. From people that I have encountered, potheads are usually lazy, unproductive, unmotivated derelicts who have no goals or aspirations in life. Everything is a big relaxing joke to them and they never worry about real life problems or situations. A lot of the pothead douches that I grew up with are either A.) dead B.) in jail or C.) living in their parents basement with no career or even job. Are there some success people in the world who smoke weed here and there? Absolutely. Unfortunately, I view the majority that take part in this as a bunch of fvcking losers. Sorry for the mini rant, I just have VERY little tolerance or patience for your average recreational drug user

[ReX357]

I'm happy it didn't pass. From people that I have encountered, potheads are usually lazy, unproductive, unmotivated derelicts who have no goals or aspirations in life. Everything is a big relaxing joke to them and they never worry about real life problems or situations. A lot of the pothead douches that I grew up with are either A.) dead B.) in jail or C.) living in their parents basement with no career or even job. Are there some success people in the world who smoke weed here and there? Absolutely. Unfortunately, I view the majority that take part in this as a bunch of fvcking losers. Sorry for the mini rant, I just have VERY little tolerance or patience for your average recreational drug user

Now, what if the state could make money on their laziness? They're gonna smoke anyways whether it's legal or not. Don't you think the state should be able to profit from it and use the money for health care and stuff like that? Also people wouldn't have to deal with drug dealers anymore.

[Gaspari1255]

Now, what if the state could make money on their laziness? They're gonna smoke anyways whether it's legal or not. Don't you think the state should be able to profit from it and use the money for health care and stuff like that? Also people wouldn't have to deal with drug dealers anymore.

It's great to say and think that the state could benefit and make money off of lazy assholes. I am totally down for that. However, I think legalizing marijuanna is a temporary solution to an inevitable bigger problems that awaits the US in the future. Okay, say the US makes bank the first few years or so, and health care expands....Eventually, people are going to come into work stoned out of their fvkcing minds and essentially screw up at their job which is going to negatively affect society. I know people go to work stoned right now, but if an intelligent boss catches them, he'll send them home for the day or fire them. Now, if the bill would have passed, people could go into work out of their minds LEGALLY and the boss or owner couldn't really do a damn thing about it. I would love to think that passing this bill would benefit the US, but I feel it its just going to delay the inevitable.

[ReX357]

It's great to say and think that the state could benefit and make money off of lazy assholes. I am totally down for that. However, I think legalizing marijuanna is a temporary solution to an inevitable bigger problems that awaits the US in the future. Okay, say the US makes bank the first few years or so, and health care expands....Eventually, people are going to come into work stoned out of their fvkcing minds and essentially screw up at their job which is going to negatively affect society. I know people go to work stoned right now, but if an intelligent boss catches them, he'll send them home for the day or fire them. Now, if the bill would have passed, people could go into work out of their minds LEGALLY and the boss or owner couldn't really do a damn thing about it. I would love to think that passing this bill would benefit the US, but I feel it its just going to delay the inevitable.

That's wrong. Do you go into work drunk? No. If you go to work drunk, can your boss fire you? Yes. Same idea applies here.

[Gaspari1255]

^^^It is MUCH easier to spot out a drunk person than a high person. ie- slurring words, smelling like booze, talking out of their ass....Someone who is stoned has maybe red eyes at best. They keep to themselves and do absolutely nothing productive.

Legalization
Persons over the age of 21 may possess up to one ounce of marijuana for personal consumption.
May use cannabis in a non-public place such as a residence or a public establishment licensed for on site marijuana consumption.
May grow marijuana at a private residence in a space of up to 25 square feet for personal use.
Local government regulation
Local government may authorize the retail sale of up to 1 ounce of marijuana per transaction, and regulate the hours and location of the business.
Local government may authorize larger amounts of marijuana for personal possession and cultivation, or for commercial cultivation, transportation, and sale.
Allows for the transportation of marijuana from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county, without regard to local laws of intermediate localities to the contrary.
Local taxes and fees


....That's sad how it neglects to talk about employment performance..I'm done with this argument. People are going to be unproductive losers whether its legal or illegal. I just don't see the point in legalizing it and encouraging it.

[ReX357]

If you're unproductive, can your boss fire you? Yes.

Booze is legal and I still don't go out and get sh*t faced. It's not encouraging it really. You guys are just gonna alleviate your prison system and keep a benign drug like pot away from more dangerous drugs made available through drug dealers.

The benefits are huge really. They would double dip on that one. Tax marijuana and get a bunch of money out of it plus save a bunch of money on incarceration cost for ridiculous minor possession charges. It would also let law enforcement spend their time on more important matters.

[zabster151]

pot is not whats wrong with the country, the fact that this stuff is still illegal just show how dumb the USA is.

we should be focusing on immigration and the federal reserve.

[Times Roman]

I'm happy it didn't pass. From people that I have encountered, potheads are usually lazy, unproductive, unmotivated derelicts who have no goals or aspirations in life. Everything is a big relaxing joke to them and they never worry about real life problems or situations. A lot of the pothead douches that I grew up with are either A.) dead B.) in jail or C.) living in their parents basement with no career or even job. Are there some success people in the world who smoke weed here and there? Absolutely. Unfortunately, I view the majority that take part in this as a bunch of fvcking losers. Sorry for the mini rant, I just have VERY little tolerance or patience for your average recreational drug user

Perspective is a very funny thing. I'll be 49 here soon (days) and the crowd I hang around with is in the same range +-15 years or so. I don't hang out with losers, mostly successful career people like me (cept for the 'tween jobs part!). As a group at a minimum, we usually have "some" college, and make some pretty decent money. There are a few in our group that smoke like chimneys, and yet have very productive careers with with major corporations as top managers. So on that side of it, I disagree with you that pot smokers cannot be successful.

Now, having said that, as a younger man, even in highschool, I agree with you 100% that pot smokers lose all motivation and just want to sit on their ass and get high. There were about ten of us that were fairly close in highschool, and except for two, the rest, like you said..."are either A.) dead B.) in jail or C.) living in their parents basement with no career or even job". I think the only thing that really saved me was that I split home when I was 17 and moved to Korea to get away from it.

Finally, people are going to smoke, regardless (finally got it right, huh Haz?). I don't think it is a proper role for government to try and legislate our behavior. The prohibition against alchohol was a failure, doing more damage to society than good. People continued to drink, yet crime flourished because of it. I feel if weed were to be controlled properly (like alcohol), and it's use restricted to private areas, then this issue becomes very manageable.

I really don't understand the counter argument, since alot of it seems to be rhetoric, and really not supported by any real facts.

1) You need to come to work sober. If you don't, you are fired.
2) You need to operate a vehicle when sober. If you don't, you go to jail.
3) No pot sales within 1000 feet of a school (like alcohol)
4) No openly displayed pot, just like no open containers
5) No sales to under 21, just like alcohol

Again, I am not a pot smoker, except when I slip occassionally at New years, but I can really get worked up when it appears to me that government thinks it knows better than i do whether or not I should be able to light up in my private living room.

There are those in our society that would like to decide for us how to think, what to say, and what to do. They dress it up by saying "government knows best". But to me, that is very condescending. In a society where we embrace individuality and diversity, why are we so hypocritical and try to make everyone walk lockstep the same way?

There are too many out there that have hidden social agendas, and would prefer that we are all the same demographic and socio-economic status.

Fuk it! Let's burn it all down!!

Fukem all!!!!!


Aaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~!

(There, I'm done)

[Shol'va]

TR this really sucks as I was just about to order a case of betty crocker brownie mixes and come visit you for a while.

[Times Roman]

TR this really sucks as I was just about to order a case of betty crocker brownie mixes and come visit you for a while.

as long as I get to burn it all down!
yeah baby!! heh heh heh

[Sicko]

I'm pretty confident they have a swab test available already. They swab your mouth with a q-tip and then they can do a color test on the swab or something. Don't quote me on that.

They do, they use it for drug testing all over the place, the only thing it has to be lab tested.Its not like on CSI where the just spray the swab and it turns day glo blue. There is no doubt that the technology is there,they just need to figure out the legalities of the use of the products/technology,then put together the money making end of it,tickets,court costs,fees,how will that effect the other programs like "drug diversion,pc 1000 etc..

[Sicko]

Now, what if the state could make money on their laziness? They're gonna smoke anyways whether it's legal or not. Don't you think the state should be able to profit from it and use the money for health care and stuff like that? Also people wouldn't have to deal with drug dealers anymore.

They will make money but definately not stop the Black market trade as there will always be people who want it cheaper,trade for drugs, a million reasons why not to buy from government vs. joe weedslinger.I mean look here in California, there is a medical marijuanna clinic on every other corner. And I still know crazy amounts of peeps that buy and sell illegal weed every day.anyone can get a license to buy/smoke med. marijuanna but choose the other route

[lifterjaydawg]

was the vote even close? it doesn't seem to poll well with either party, so nobody will go out on a limb and make it happen.

[ReX357]

was the vote even close? it doesn't seem to poll well with either party, so nobody will go out on a limb and make it happen.

Final results were 53.8% no and 46.2% yes. I'd call that close.

[Times Roman]

Final results were 53.8% no and 46.2% yes. I'd call that close.

It is so close that I suspect we will see it again in the next election. I think with better education, it should pass. Of the people I asked why they voted against, mostly are emotional reasons, instead of rational. Surprisingly, there is still alot of fear out there. But the surprising thing is that the retirement community is coming around. Some very conservative elderly people I know that has recovered from cancer, have their Marij license, and said they voted for it. Usually, I would expect the older generation to be against it, but they are also the generation that will most likely get cancer, and reap the benefits of accessing it legally. Another issue is that the younger generation as a group is generally in favor of it, but their group also has low voter turnout (my 19 year old son did not vote, and neither did most of his friends). The "church" people I spoke to were generally against it, so no surprises there. But this group generally DOES vote. I think that if EVERYONE in the state that was 18+ and "legal" voted, it would have passed.

[SlimmerMe]

it is so close that i suspect we will see it again in the next election. I think with better education, it should pass. Of the people i asked why they voted against, mostly are emotional reasons, instead of rational. Surprisingly, there is still alot of fear out there. but the surprising thing is that the retirement community is coming around. some very conservative elderly people i know that has recovered from cancer, have their marij license, and said they voted for it. Usually, i would expect the older generation to be against it, but they are also the generation that will most likely get cancer, and reap the benefits of accessing it legally. Another issue is that the younger generation as a group is generally in favor of it, but their group also has low voter turnout (my 19 year old son did not vote, and neither did most of his friends). The "church" people i spoke to were generally against it, so no surprises there. But this group generally does vote. I think that if everyone in the state that was 18+ and "legal" voted, it would have passed.

original..hippies!

[Times Roman]

original..hippies!

anyone partying back in the 60's would be in that crowd now, so you are right!

[Shol'va]

original..hippies!

Yeah, talkin bout there gen gen generation. Those elderly back then were at woodstock doing peyote mushrooms, acid, thai stick, hash oil, quaaludes, reds, vitamin-c and cocaine. Wow what a combo. How could they not want to pass this law? I wanted it passed too and was ready to visit TR with a bunch of brownie mixes for some pot brownie celebration.

[Times Roman]

Yeah, talkin bout there gen gen generation. Those elderly back then were at woodstock doing peyote mushrooms, acid, thai stick, hash oil, quaaludes, reds, vitamin-c and cocaine. Wow what a combo. How could they not want to pass this law? I wanted it passed too and was ready to visit TR with a bunch of brownie mixes for some pot brownie celebration.

sounds like my brown bag lunch back in high school!

they had more crap going around than candy at a candy store

[ottomaddox]

As a Card carrying member, I voted NO. It just sounded to good to be true. What's wrong with the way it is now? I don't want big business getting more involved and Genetically Modifying my medicine. Not like my one No vote was going to make a difference in the County I live in, because in Marin County the measure would have passed hands down.

[FTLdude]

I'm pretty confident they have a swab test available already. They swab your mouth with a q-tip and then they can do a color test on the swab or something. Don't quote me on that.

I can see them running into issues if they tried to use those field sobriety tests (for THC) for law enforcement purposes. Certain proton pump inhibitors and even drugs like Advil can return a false positiveTHC result on these types of tests. If challenged in court, LE would have to prove that the person was under the influence of the marijuana at the time he/she was pulled over/arrested, no? And they can't do that only with a quick result field test for THC. If they get a preliminary positive they will need to do GC-MS in a controlled environment to confirm it---which isn't cheap. Somehow, I just don't see a state with as many financial problems as California has going down that road. The state could probably make money off it if they could figure out a way to control how it is distributed and tax sales. I don't imagine that any drug dealer will want to expose his network to or share any of his profits with the government though.

[FTLdude]

@ Sicko,

Who is that dude in your avatar?

[MACHINE5150]

i was sad to hear it didn't pass.. but guarantee you that it will be u[ again and will pass in the next 10 years. The bottom line is that the older you are the less likely you were to vote for this.. as the old people die and the younger gain more voting grounds, it will pass. It will be legal in Cali in ten years.. and in the rest of the U.S. in twenty.. the resat of the world in thirty... the world's views on drugs is changing as people are begining to realize that making it illegal, does not make it go away

[brad1986]

I'm happy it didn't pass. From people that I have encountered, potheads are usually lazy, unproductive, unmotivated derelicts who have no goals or aspirations in life. Everything is a big relaxing joke to them and they never worry about real life problems or situations. A lot of the pothead douches that I grew up with are either A.) dead B.) in jail or C.) living in their parents basement with no career or even job. Are there some success people in the world who smoke weed here and there? Absolutely. Unfortunately, I view the majority that take part in this as a bunch of fvcking losers. Sorry for the mini rant, I just have VERY little tolerance or patience for your average recreational drug user

this is like saying black people steal. I have smoked pot for the last 12 years and I went to college, own a buisness, and manage a persoanl training dept at a gym. I can run faster,wift heavier, and hit harder then most people that dont smoke. I am sadened that people believe its up to the govt to decide what we can and cant do to ourselfs/our lives. The fact is tha oxycontin and norco and other narcotics are legal and you seem to have no problem with that (which addicts and kills thousands) but to replace narcotics with a natural herb people throw a fit??? makes zero logical sence at all that we can perscribe heroin but not marijuana. Sombody please come back to me with a valid argument on this.

ps
It is FACT that marijauna was made illegal for racial reasons. It was not because it was bad for your health at all.

[brad1986]

It's great to say and think that the state could benefit and make money off of lazy assholes. I am totally down for that. However, I think legalizing marijuanna is a temporary solution to an inevitable bigger problems that awaits the US in the future. Okay, say the US makes bank the first few years or so, and health care expands....Eventually, people are going to come into work stoned out of their fvkcing minds and essentially screw up at their job which is going to negatively affect society. I know people go to work stoned right now, but if an intelligent boss catches them, he'll send them home for the day or fire them. Now, if the bill would have passed, people could go into work out of their minds LEGALLY and the boss or owner couldn't really do a damn thing about it. I would love to think that passing this bill would benefit the US, but I feel it its just going to delay the inevitable.

theres a thousand other over the counter drugs including alcohol that people could do that with now so why would pot be any different? please expalin the logic on this one? I can go to work stoned wheather its legal or not but if i do i will prop get fired so that would be my bad choice... america is great because that IS MY CHOICE. to think that legalizing it is going to create tons of potheads is redicules. For under 21 yr olds it is easier to get pot then alcohol already so why would it be any different? If you are and addict that is going to be high all day you are probably already high all day wheater it be weed or perscription pills or dramamine or cough syrup. Legalizing it is only going to save us money and lives on this so called "war on drugs"