Supplements on cycle?

[sensaispike]

I thought I remembered seeing a post on this but I was unable to find it. I don’t have time to post all my info right now I am at work I will do this later tonight.
My cycle is going to be a 12 weeker of Test E @ 500mg per week and a 4 week kick start of D-bol @ 40mg a day. I will have Nolva on hand and I will be using nolva for PCT 40/40/20/20.

My question is about the supplements I will be taking, this is what I have planned let me know if I missed anything.

Aside from my protein I will be taking:

milk thistle
hawthorn berry
saw palmetto
MSM
glucosamine and chondroitin
multivitamin

Did I miss anything???

[stpete]

Just take your multi and milk thistle. Gluco's good but only if you have joint issues.
Throw some clomid in your PCT as well.

[sensaispike]

I do have joint issues so i take the joins supps year round.... as for the clomid i will be only be using nolva for pct as the both of them are somewhat redundant and nolva generally is more effective for pct.

[stpete]

Sorry to hear about the joint issues as i have the same issues. Actually, some people don't use either for PCT. Maybe you can go that route? Just letting you know what works best for the majority of our community.
Good luck!

[sensaispike]

Well no need to be a wise guy… I have been here a long time reading and researching and I have noticed a trend moving away from nolva and clomid for pct to just nolva…. The old way is not always the best way.

[stpete]

haha..not trying to be a wise guy. But since you mention it let me point out to you that you've been a member here since 2003! Knowing that, you should know as much as i do about "old ways for PCT." Oh wait, i'm thinking back even farther like 1996-1999. Creatine and high volume workouts was our PCT.
But let me ask you a question...I've noticed a trend in bank robberies over the last 5 years. Do you think it's the best thing to do because a few rebels get away w/it? Or would you go get a job and do things the right way? Just saying....
And the reason for the trend is young kids not having the money to do things correctly. Hell, why is Natural Light still in business? Because the drunks can't afford Budweiser.

[sensaispike]

This is a direct quote from Pinnacle

The topic is PCT by steroid.com

"Nolvadex also has some important features for the steroid using athlete. In hypogonadic and infertile men given nolvadex , increases in the serum levels of LH, FSH, and most importantly, testosterone were all observed (35)It can also block a bit of estrogen in the pituitary, which is a great benefit when used with HCG (more on that later) (36)(37). The increase in testosteroneNolvadex can give someone with a dysfunctional is basically that 20mgs of Nolvadex will raise your testosterone levels about 150% (6)...Why don’t we use Clomid , another SERM ? Well, basically because it takes much more to do the same thing. In comparison, it would require 150mgs of Clomid to accomplish that type of elevation in testosterone , but Nolvadex also has the added benefit of significantly increasing the LH
(Leutenizing Hormone ) response to LHRH (LH-releasing hormone ) (6). This most likely indicates some kind of upregulation of the LH-receptors due to the anti-estrogenic effect Nolvadex has at the pituitary. Although both Nolvadex and Clomid are both SERMs, they are actually quite different. As you already know, Nolvadex is highly anti-estrogenic at the hypothalamus and pituitary, while Clomid exhibits weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary (7), which as you can guess, is less than ideal. It should be avoided for the PCT I’m suggesting…and in fact, avoided in general…it’s simply not as good as Nolvadex .

Need I even add that the 150mgs of Clomid you need to get the hormonal increase experienced with 20mgs of Nolvadex is much more expensive? So lets dump the Clomid …and no, using it along with Nolvadex will provide no “synergy” that I’ve ever seen in any relevant study."

[sensaispike]

Humm…. Nothing to say to that????......

Anyways back to the topic, anybody else want to chime in on the supplements you take while on cycle???

[SimplyFlawless]

I thought I remembered seeing a post on this but I was unable to find it. I don’t have time to post all my info right now I am at work I will do this later tonight.
My cycle is going to be a 12 weeker of Test E @ 500mg per week and a 4 week kick start of D-bol @ 40mg a day. I will have Nolva on hand and I will be using nolva for PCT 40/40/20/20.

My question is about the supplements I will be taking, this is what I have planned let me know if I missed anything.

Aside from my protein I will be taking:

milk thistle
hawthorn berry
saw palmetto
MSM
glucosamine and chondroitin
multivitamin

Did I miss anything???

all you need are multivitamins and Liv52 (which is optional). you dont need the rest of that shit.

[sensaispike]

all you need are multivitamins and Liv52 (which is optional). you dont need the rest of that shit.

And what is your reason for saying this?

[SimplyFlawless]

And what is your reason for saying this?

4 weeks of dbol at 40mg isn't going to cause permanent damage to your liver. It will raise your liver values out of the normal range for sure, but give it 2-3 weeks and they will be back to normal. The liver regenerates extremely quickly. You have a laundry list of supplements set up as if you were on 300mg of anadrol

[sensaispike]

Well really I take the MSM, glucosamine/chondroitin and multivitamin year round, so that would leave only 3 additional supplements,
milk thistle (used as a natural treatment for liver problems. These liver problems include cirrhosis, jaundice, hepatitis, and gallbladder disorders),

hawthorn berry (Used to promote the health of the circulatory system, treat angina, high blood pressure, congestive heart failure and cardiac arrhythmia and has been found to strengthen the heart.)

and saw palmetto (used to strengthen the thyroid gland, balance the metabolism, stimulate appetite and aid digestion it is also used in hair restoration, prostate health, and can increase sexual vigour,)

Now tell me how again these supplements are useless….. Seems to me that they could be helpful in reducing and battling the common sides that are accosted with the use of anabolic steroids…. IMHO that is…..

[ROBOCOP]

This is always a contentious topic. Everyone has their own opinion on what supplements are best or not, and how much to take.
Best left to the individual (and the wallet).
Good luck with it though,

[SimplyFlawless]

Well really I take the MSM, glucosamine/chondroitin and multivitamin year round, so that would leave only 3 additional supplements,
milk thistle (used as a natural treatment for liver problems. These liver problems include cirrhosis, jaundice, hepatitis, and gallbladder disorders),

hawthorn berry (Used to promote the health of the circulatory system, treat angina, high blood pressure, congestive heart failure and cardiac arrhythmia and has been found to strengthen the heart.)

and saw palmetto (used to strengthen the thyroid gland, balance the metabolism, stimulate appetite and aid digestion it is also used in hair restoration, prostate health, and can increase sexual vigour,)

Now tell me how again these supplements are useless….. Seems to me that they could be helpful in reducing and battling the common sides that are accosted with the use of anabolic steroids…. IMHO that is…..

no, they aren't useless per say...I just wouldn't bother spending money on them is what I am saying. They certainly won't hurt though. Go ahead and take them if you already have them on you.

[sensaispike]

no, they aren't useless per say...I just wouldn't bother spending money on them is what I am saying. They certainly won't hurt though. Go ahead and take them if you already have them on you.

But in your original post you said that they were "shit"... I would certainly understand if you prefer to spend your money else ware but i would have to disagree with them being shit. Again this is simply my opinion and to clarify I was looking more for input on what everyone personally uses when they are on cycle rather than debating what I will be using during my cycle. Although with the cost of all that is involved planning and executing a cycle I can see why some would prefer to save money on supplements.....

[Jerseystepup]

Are you honestly worried about cirrhosis, jaundice, and hepatitis from 40mg a day of dbol?

[SimplyFlawless]

But in your original post you said that they were "shit"... I would certainly understand if you prefer to spend your money else ware but i would have to disagree with them being shit. Again this is simply my opinion and to clarify I was looking more for input on what everyone personally uses when they are on cycle rather than debating what I will be using during my cycle. Although with the cost of all that is involved planning and executing a cycle I can see why some would prefer to save money on supplements.....

why do you think these supplements are so important? do you have bloodwork evidence that these things significantly help you? I can tell you I have tried the laundry list of nonsense you wrote of and it didn't mean crap when taking orals. Your liver enzymes will get out of wack, and then they will come back to normal shortly after

[Jerseystepup]

why do you think these supplements are so important? do you have bloodwork evidence that these things significantly help you? I can tell you I have tried the laundry list of nonsense you wrote of and it didn't mean crap when taking orals. Your liver enzymes will get out of wack, and then they will come back to normal shortly after

This i have to agree with.. if you truly are worried about the liver issues you mentioned, theres ALOT better choices out there than milk thistle... liv52, sam-e to name a few... hell if you are concerned with jaundice, hepatitis, and cirrhosis from that low of a dose of dbol, id stay far away from orals.

[sensaispike]

This i have to agree with.. if you truly are worried about the liver issues you mentioned, theres ALOT better choices out there than milk thistle... liv52, sam-e to name a few... hell if you are concerned with jaundice, hepatitis, and cirrhosis from that low of a dose of dbol, id stay far away from orals.

Haha you guys kill me… I was simply posting some of the benefits of these supplements to show that they are not just “shit” as you said earlier… haha your killing me man…

[dec11]

manyFlaws;5757633][/B]4 weeks of dbol at 40mg isn't going to cause permanent damage to your liver. It will raise your liver values out of the normal range for sure, but give it 2-3 weeks and they will be back to normal. The liver regenerates extremely quickly. You have a laundry list of supplements set up as if you were on 300mg of anadrol

you are an absolute ignorant stupid fool, you dont even know what the supps he's taking are for. since when did ALL those supps represent liver protection???you're a total arrogant clown...........

and most likely bojangles, at his work again!

[Honkey_Kong]

Have you even noticed any difference with the glucosamine? I bought in to the hype that it would help reduce some joint pain for me. So, I tried that stuff for several months and can't honestly say it worked at all. Cissus was another one I've tried and after several months got sick of pissing my money away on shit that didn't work.

As for the milk thistle helping with the liver. I really don't know exactly how effective it is at preventing damage to the liver. And same with Hawthorne Berry. Does anyone know how effective that stuff is at lowering blood pressure? To me these things are kind of like putting a Band-Aid on a gunshot wound. But if somebody can post some good evidence to support using them I'll retract my statement.

[sensaispike]

Yea for me the glucosamine and chondroitin seems to work pretty well, especially when paired with the msm… I have never used the cissus but I have some friends that swear by it…..

[mani_bono]

glucosamine didn't work for me as well, IMO many supplements are myth and always there are some scientific researches against them that shows they don't work.

So I only stick with Multivitamin, Vitamin C, Whey Protein, Creatine Monohydrate(since it's very chip at 5g a day) and Nitric Oxide ... rest of them just doesn't worth the money and I don't see any direct influence from them. and I use them year around not just in cycle.

[SimplyFlawless]

you are an absolute ignorant stupid fool, you dont even know what the supps he's taking are for. since when did ALL those supps represent liver protection???you're a total arrogant clown...........

and most likely bojangles, at his work again!

all I see are insults and no intelligent rebuttals. I will save my money personally, but go ahead and recommend useless pills to the naive

[auslifta]

BCAA's, L-glutamine, fish oil and multi vitamins.

[Honkey_Kong]

glucosamine didn't work for me as well, IMO many supplements are myth and always there are some scientific researches against them that shows they don't work.

So I only stick with Multivitamin, Vitamin C, Whey Protein, Creatine Monohydrate(since it's very chip at 5g a day) and Nitric Oxide ... rest of them just doesn't worth the money and I don't see any direct influence from them. and I use them year around not just in cycle.

I don't mess with they creatine anymore. I mostly just use unflavoured whey (so I can make my own shakes) and animal pak

[sensaispike]

you are an absolute ignorant stupid fool, you dont even know what the supps he's taking are for. since when did ALL those supps represent liver protection???you're a total arrogant clown...........

and most likely bojangles, at his work again!

Yea, this joker is pulling this crap on every thread he is on, for some reason he thinks he is an expert on every topic…. And though he keeps saying that no one is providing any evidence for what they are saying I have yet to see him post anything but his opinion…….
Anyways, thanks to all of you who actually posted what they use and what works for them, I am not trying to persuade anyone to do what I do or have anyone persuade me one way or the other I was just looking to see what everyone dose as far as supplements are concerned while on cycle….

[bjpennnn]

Fish oil, coq10, baby aspirin.

[Devil_Doc]

I use Organ shield, b6 250mg, vitamin C 2g, CLA 3g, animal flex,animal Omega, chromium piccolinate, 1MR, ON Casein, Elite recoup (intra w/o).

[Ashop]

I thought I remembered seeing a post on this but I was unable to find it. I don’t have time to post all my info right now I am at work I will do this later tonight.
My cycle is going to be a 12 weeker of Test E @ 500mg per week and a 4 week kick start of D-bol @ 40mg a day. I will have Nolva on hand and I will be using nolva for PCT 40/40/20/20.

My question is about the supplements I will be taking, this is what I have planned let me know if I missed anything.

Aside from my protein I will be taking:

milk thistle
hawthorn berry
saw palmetto
MSM
glucosamine and chondroitin
multivitamin

Did I miss anything???

Looks good to me. While I'm on cycle I like to keep it simple but make sure I have all the essentials.