Follow up post to Fatigue and Headaches- BLOOD WORK Results Back!!!!!!

[maxwell78]

I dont know if you guys remember last week I posted about feeling more tired/fatigued and also was starting to get headaches. That was beginning of week 3 of my test E cycle. Also on hcg 2x week at 250iu's and just started A-dex last monday at 0.5mg eod. i had my labs drawn on wednesday morning.

By the end of the week...fri/sat..I was feeling alot better and my headaches are also alot better. I also noticied I am not as bloated and my blood pressure when I check it has been alot better. Thinking the AI is kicking in finally.

I got my blood work back and everything was great..NORMAL!! RBC's are NOT elevated..and liver enzymes are perfect.

I wanted to put my exact testoerone & estrogen numbers out here though and see what you all thought. Remember this was drawn in middle of week 3 of my cycle. I just started week 4 last night.

here are some numbers:

Testoerone: 3239 [range 348-1197]

Free Test : >55.0 [range: 8.7-25.1]

Both of these are way high..per my doctor and says I need to stop immediately...to prevent premature death.

are these numbers really way too high just 3 weeks into my cycle? should i be concerned? i dont have anything to compare it to obviously and didnt have blood work done last cycle so hard to say. I feel a lot better now though than I did last week.

Estrogen: 99 [range: 40-115].

i think that seems a little on the high side for a male, but like i said that was done last wednesday and I had only taken 1 A-dex pill at that point, so its possible the level is lower now.

I was thinking about lowering my test dose last week based on how i was feeling but now that im feeling better, I was planning on just keeping it the same...500 mg /week....pinning 2x week.

you guys think you can give me some input. ??

[qal92]

Dont take me for sure on this but i think i remember members having alot higher levels then that, and i still see them posting so....

[maxwell78]

Dont take me for sure on this but i think i remember members having alot higher levels then that, and i still see them posting so....

yeah im sure..i figured that..i would only expect it to get higher too since im not even half way into my cycle.

thanks man.

[qal92]

yeah im sure..i figured that..i would only expect it to get higher too since im not even half way into my cycle.

thanks man.

And if all your other levels are great, why is he saying youre gona die? think on that

[maxwell78]

And if all your other levels are great, why is he saying youre gona die? think on that

im sure its just a liability thing.

[Flier]

Yeah, if you walk around with 3000+ high test for several months I would agree with your doc
BW looks fine. I´m surprised your Estrogen is not 200, and I´m surprised your Free Test is not higher.
You don´t want your Estrogen lower it´s fine.
Will you be doing another BW?
I love BW, did it every 2 weeks during my cycle, and experimented with AI on/off.
Maybe your Test has not started aromatizing yet.
Don´t think your BW is reflecting your AI, your free Test should have been higher.
What is your SHBG?

[qal92]

im sure its just a liability thing.

Yeah probably since they arent legal and all

[maxwell78]

Yeah, if you walk around with 3000+ high test for several months I would agree with your doc
BW looks fine. I´m surprised your Estrogen is not 200, and I´m surprised your Free Test is not higher.
You don´t want your Estrogen lower it´s fine.
Will you be doing another BW?
I love BW, did it every 2 weeks during my cycle, and experimented with AI on/off.
Maybe your Test has not started aromatizing yet.
Don´t think your BW is reflecting your AI, your free Test should have been higher.
What is your SHBG?

i was actually thinking my estrogen was higher. with the bloat i was having. since on the AI its been better. hopefully i dont make the estrogen go too low. i guess i can always drop down the AI to every 3 days if i need to.

why should have free test been higher? is that the part that is free floating in the blood?

no dont plan on having more BW done. dont want to have to see doc again unless necessary since he was not too happy with me

what is SHGB? hemoglobin ? if so that was 15.

gotta run now..back to work...i'll check back later tonight. thanks guys

[Flier]

i was actually thinking my estrogen was higher. with the bloat i was having. since on the AI its been better. hopefully i dont make the estrogen go too low. i guess i can always drop down the AI to every 3 days if i need to.

why should have free test been higher? is that the part that is free floating in the blood? Both free and Bound floats in the blood, the free is used and the bound dissipates. Your 3000 nil means absolutely nothing, your free test does. Someone with 1000 ngl total and 100 free will reek more benefits than you. That´s why it is useless to pin high levels of Test without controlling SHBG. SHBG binds to the Test hormone, rendering it useless. So low SHBG = High Free Test. By pinning Test u raise SHBG along with your test level. Arimidex will bind to SHBG preventing it from binding to your test hormone. Capiche?
Now that you are taking Arimidex your free test should raise a little more. .5 EOD is a standard dose. Stick with it.

no dont plan on having more BW done. dont want to have to see doc again unless necessary since he was not too happy with me

what is SHGB? hemoglobin ? if so that was 15.

gotta run now..back to work...i'll check back later tonight. thanks guys

Good luck!

[The Bishop]

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[Lemonada8]

Both free and Bound floats in the blood, the free is used and the bound dissipatesno. Your 3000 nil means absolutely nothing, your free test does. Someone with 1000 ngl total and 100 free will reek more benefits than you. That´s why it is useless to pin high levels of Test without controlling SHBG.no SHBG binds to the Test hormone , rendering it useless. So low SHBG = High Free Test yes. By pinning Test u raise SHBG noalong with your test level. Arimidex will bind to SHBG preventing it from binding to your test hormoneno . Capiche?
Now that you are taking Arimidex your free test should raise a little moreno. .5 EOD is a standard dosekinda... but .5 is vague... Stick with it.

this isnt right. Free is the only bioavailable testosterone that can cross the cell membranes and the bound cant - is correct, but SHBG holds on to the testosterone which then dissociates when the test levels decrease. this is in a normal male not on a cycle so the test can last all day and it a way to maintain a steady state of testosterone in the body when there is only pulses of LH which then stimulate the testes to produce testosterone.
Pinning high levels of test is going to decrease SHBG, so by trying to decrease that is pointless. also with the fact that DHT has 5x the affinity for SHBG than testosterone does, and while on cycle the ratio of 5AR doesnt adjust so the same % will convert to DHT... there will be more DHT to bind to the SHBG than the test, AND high androgen levels lowers SHBG.
Arimidex competitive inhibitor of the aromatase enzyme, which is in the tissues. it has nothing to do with SHBG binding on the testosterone. it acts in the tissues. Thats partly the reason letro is a very strong competitive inhibitor because it can pass through adipose tissue much better than armidex can.
Arimidex wont raise free test that much, it will prevent the aromatase enzyme in the cell from binding to the testosterone hormone which it then can activate the nuclear receptors as testosterone and get those effects rather than converting to the aromatase enzyme and then into estrogen.

[maxwell78]

Since you know your numbers now, curious if you knew what your test and free test was prior to starting. Was just curious to see the change in test after 3 weeks.

nope. i didnt know. never had those hormones run before.