**New to Gear, First Cycle** Help Please**

[Bodacious]

Hey guys and gals,

I am new to all of this, have read and read for the past few months. I have learned alot on here. Thanks.
Some stats on me.

26
6'4
225

On Jan 2 I was at 238 So I have cut some weight Just weighted today at 225 My goal is 220. Then I am going to start my first cycle I was going to do clen to cut weight but I didnt have to. where the weight was coming over with more cardio.On its own. If I had to guess I am around 13% body fat,right now.

I have been traning for 4 to 5 Years now atleat going to the gym 4 days a week but most of the time 5 and here lately I have been going 6 to cut the weight. Before that I have always played sports.

Trying to stay lean and bulk up.

What does everyone think about this for a first cycle..
Test E or C 500mg for 12 weeks what is better E or C
Anavar 25mg a week.... Does anavar help with gyno?

I dont want a Cycle that really cause hair lost or sex drive down. I have no kids and would like to have one, one day will this hurt my chances?
Would really like to try and have no side effects.
Is the dosge right for a new person?
Should I expect to see any gains from this cycle I just want to start out right and do everything right and not hurt myself doing it. Like I said I am new and learning everyone has to and everyone was new at one time. THanks for the help.

[stpete]

Welcome and congrats on your progress so far.

Test E for 12 weeks is what i recommend. Leave the Anavar alone for now and see how your body reacts to the test. Have you researched PCT?

Hair loss and sex drive differ from person to person.

Research AI's, HCG and PCT Protocols.

[jasc]

Test E or C would be ideal for your first cycle. Somewhere between 350-500mg/wk. The decision is up to you if you want E or C. They are both very similar with C being a touch longer. You will start pct a few days later with C n it may take a few days longer to peak, but they are very similar. Personally I'd pick whichever I could get easier/cheaper

As far as wanting to have children, if you follow proper procedures you should be just fine. There is a small risk, but everything has some level of risk. Many guys on here have conceived during n after cycles. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

To minimize sides, use an AI on cycle.

Hcg would also be beneficial as it will prevent testicular atrophy n make recovery easy.

As far as hairloss, unless you are prone to mpb, male pattern baldness, this shouldn't be a problem on such a mild cycle. You can also use meds to prevent hairloss but someone else will have to help with that.

Also you mentioned decreased sex drive. As long as you use an AI n control estrogen levels this is the least of your worries. I'd be more worried about getting an erection if the wind blows or wanting to mount anything with 2 legs n a set of tits. The test should drastically boost your sex drive

[Bodacious]

Thanks for the replys. Anavar so Yall don't recommed using that?

PCT have done some research on it but don't really know what to use I am learning so sorry for all the questions. What do Yall think I should use and how ? Thanks again

I think I am old enough and big enough to try a cycle dont yall?, all input is welcome.

[Bodacious]

Another question I got is how much to you keep after your first cycle? Gain wise. I have heard of people gettin.g dat bc they stop AAS. I know you have to have a good PCT what do Yall recommed for a PCT? another question will my balls shrink ha e read on here that they do for some people on test. Thanks again everyone

[jasc]

Anavar is great but not for a first cycle. It's best to run your first cycle with Test only to see how your body reacts and to dial everything in. Every person responds to these compounds in a different way so it comes down to trial and error to see what works best for you.

Judging by your stats, physically you should be good to run a first cycle. But If I were you I'd do a lot more research so you fully understand what/how/when to use everything and exactly what each compound does and how it works. I've seen too many people start prematurely and come back here begging for help or have problems and have no clue what's going on or how to fix it. Fvckin with hormones is something that should not be taken lightly and if done incorrectly will cause permanent problems.

Another point of note would be to have ALL compounds on hand BEFORE you start. Many new people begin prematurely and when it comes time for an AI or PCT their source no longer has anything and they either have to end their cycle early or scramble to find something that will work. The last thing you want when having estrogen problems or getting gyno is to wait a week for your meds to come.

How much weight you keep after cycle depends on many factors like: water retention, diet, caloric intake during and after cycle, training consistency/intensity, proper and prompt recovery. If you eat and train right you should be able to keep most of the LBM you have gained as long as you don't exceed your genetic potential. You will bloat to some extent so it's common to lose a few lb's right away, but should be just water anyway. Many people jump on cycle and eat/train like a beast and as soon as they come off they start slacking off. If you start to eat/train like you did before cycle, you will eventually shrink back down to your previous size. Diet is critical to keeping gains.

PCT would be something like:
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50 or Torem 120/60/60/60
Run for 4-6 weeks

If you do not use HCG, yes your balls will shrink. You body will sense the elevated exogenous test levels and will shut down your natural production. The longer/harder you're shut down, the more they will shrink. They will return to normal after your body has recovered.

[DeadlyD]

Anavar is great but not for a first cycle. It's best to run your first cycle with Test only to see how your body reacts and to dial everything in. Every person responds to these compounds in a different way so it comes down to trial and error to see what works best for you.

Judging by your stats, physically you should be good to run a first cycle. But If I were you I'd do a lot more research so you fully understand what/how/when to use everything and exactly what each compound does and how it works. I've seen too many people start prematurely and come back here begging for help or have problems and have no clue what's going on or how to fix it. Fvckin with hormones is something that should not be taken lightly and if done incorrectly will cause permanent problems.

Another point of note would be to have ALL compounds on hand BEFORE you start. Many new people begin prematurely and when it comes time for an AI or PCT their source no longer has anything and they either have to end their cycle early or scramble to find something that will work. The last thing you want when having estrogen problems or getting gyno is to wait a week for your meds to come.

How much weight you keep after cycle depends on many factors like: water retention, diet, caloric intake during and after cycle, training consistency/intensity, proper and prompt recovery. If you eat and train right you should be able to keep most of the LBM you have gained as long as you don't exceed your genetic potential. You will bloat to some extent so it's common to lose a few lb's right away, but should be just water anyway. Many people jump on cycle and eat/train like a beast and as soon as they come off they start slacking off. If you start to eat/train like you did before cycle, you will eventually shrink back down to your previous size. Diet is critical to keeping gains.

PCT would be something like:
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50 or Torem 120/60/60/60
Run for 4-6 weeks

If you do not use HCG, yes your balls will shrink. You body will sense the elevated exogenous test levels and will shut down your natural production. The longer/harder you're shut down, the more they will shrink. They will return to normal after your body has recovered.

Great advise jasc! I'm glad you could understand op's writing !! Lol

[Bodacious]

Thanks for the reply jasc.

Deadlyd sorry about that try to do this off my phone and it doesn't work that good.

Okay so I am only going to take test for my first cycle for 12 weeks. Then my PCT will consist of Novia 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/100/50/50... How's that look?

I agree with you I am not going to start anything tell I have everything I need for the whole cycle.
HCG take this with test or with your PCT?
I have read on here few different thing about when to start you PCT 14 days after cycle or as soon as you stop?

Thanks again for the replys. Just learning.

[jasc]

ya that pct looks good..
if you start to get bad side effects from the clomid, drop it to 50

hcg throughout the cycle. better to prevent a problem than to wait until it's broke to fix it.

The amount of time between ending a cycle n starting pct depends on what ester is used.
Test E : start pct 14 days after last shot
Test C : start pct 18 days after last shot

[Bodacious]

Thanks Jasc.

So you are saying use Hcg for 12 weeks(with the test-e) Pinning on Mondays and thurs at 250mg.Then 14 days after my last injection start a PCT with clomid say 100/50/50/50 and Novia 40/40/20/20? Taking Novia when I wake up and then clomid before I go to bed.

Read a good read on here lastnight saying a good PCT will help you keep more of your gains? True?

Thanks everyone for the help. I just want to do it right and not mess anything up. Please help

Cycle One.
12 weeks of test ( 250mg on Monday and 250mg on Thursaday) I was told I could take it all in one shot to where it isnt really all that much?
HCG 12 weeks also?? Details please on how much and when? Thanks

14 days after my last injection start PCT

Look ok now?? Please fine tune

[jasc]

You could run HCG for 12 weeks if you want. Many people start it around wk 3 or 4. Personally I figure out my cycle legnth n work backwards..
Starting it week 1 won't hurt, but may not be necessary.
Typical dosage is 250iu 2x a week and I'd run it up until a few days before you start pct.
So say you have a 5000iu vial, taking 500/wk, you get about 10 weeks worth n since you will take up until 3 days before pct, it'd be best to begin around week 3/4. Just a rough estimate.. To figure out the actual start date, plan your cycle n work backwards.
Or to simplify, begin wk 4 if you want n if you have some left at the end, pin or toss it. I like to make my cycles very precise n by working backwards I can use the hcg the most efficiently. In reality, the difference in results is probably very minimal, but it's up to you.

Yes, test E begin pct 14 days after last test shot.

Ya, it's true. The faster you recover, ideally the more gains you can keep. The lower your testosterone levels, the harder it is to keep gains. Besides hcg being beneficial to your overall health it will also help you recover considerably faster, which is why I use it every cycle. It's not something that's required for a cycle, but greatly helps.
Hcg on cycle n a good pct will lead to the fastest possible recovery.

As far as Test E frequency, you could do 1 500mg shot per week, but 2 - 250mg shots 3.5 days apart would be better. The more frequent you pin, the more stable your blood levels will be. The more stable your levels, the less sides you get.

[Bodacious]

Thanks Jasc.

I got a few more LBS I want to lose before I start. 4 to 6 lbs. So why I am doing that I am going to try and find some gear. But I want to have everything before I start.

Thanks for all the help.

Anyone else have any tips? Or jasc anything else you wanna give pointers to?

[NotConvincedYet]

Jasc,

Very good responses. Clear and concise. All the answers laid out beautifully to questions new comers ask. Anyone who comes on here with the thread titled 'first cycle - got questions!' could read this and be done with it!

Well done

[jasc]

no prob bro.. think we pretty much covered the basics..

You may want to hit the Nutrition forum n have em help you line up a solid diet as well. Keep in mind, on cycle your body demands more calories to maximize growth, approx 25% more would be a good goal

[NotConvincedYet]

Bodacious, any other tips? Get a more accurate BF% test if you can. It's really hard to guess.

Learn how to inject properly and safely (there are threads here). I used s p o t i n j e c t i o n s . c o m and you tubed videos.

Good luck

[jasc]

Jasc,

Very good responses. Clear and concise. All the answers laid out beautifully to questions new comers ask. Anyone who comes on here with the thread titled 'first cycle - got questions!' could read this and be done with it!

Well done

thx man

[TFf]

I beleave that AI was only breifly touched on.. OP are you planing on running a dex or stane? Throughout? Also not not trying to be a grammar teacher and maybe it was autocorrect but it is noLVA as in NOLVADEX not novia just don't want you looking for novia or asking ing someone for that...

[jasc]

I beleave that AI was only breifly touched on.. OP are you planing on running a dex or stane? Throughout? Also not not trying to be a grammar teacher and maybe it was autocorrect but it is noLVA as in NOLVADEX not novia just don't want you looking for novia or asking ing someone for that...

Thanks for pointing that out bro.. It was mentioned but didn't get the emphasis it probably should have.

AI's are one of the main components of a cycle. They're used to control estrogen levels and are critical to a proper cycle for many health reasons.

Take an AI on cycle and discontinue during PCT. The two most common AI's for controlling estrogen are Arimidex and Aromasin.
Common doses:
Adex .25 - .5mg eod
Aromasin 10 - 12.5mg ed
(everyone is diff, so you may want to start on the low end n increase as needed.)

*Side note: you may want to read up on the side effects of high/low estrogen levels. You will use these to guage if your AI dosage is sufficient.

Give this thread a read when you get a chance.. great write-up by one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum..http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.T0_MbnhZ5Hg

[jacob.white]

Hi good luck with your first cycle. My first cycle i did 4 weeks of dbol and 12 of test e with a good pct. This worked well for me.

[Bodacious]

Thanks to everyone that has replyed. It just seems that everytime I get a cycle down and think I have it someone else says take this too. I am trying to learn and Damn if I ain't confused now.

On the nolva thanks for that.

Pinning is something ill YouTube and read about. When I get that far. But I need to eat more that's what I read I am trying to stay as lean as possible. Just would like to put some muscle on.

[Bodacious]

I beleave that AI was only breifly touched on.. OP are you planing on running a dex or stane? Throughout? Also not not trying to be a grammar teacher and maybe it was autocorrect but it is noLVA as in NOLVADEX not novia just don't want you looking for novia or asking ing someone for that...

Thanks man for all the input learning how to use this site. AI sex or stane??? Confused I don't know please help

Let's try this another way whats a good cycle for someone with my stats and try to add lean muscle. A starter cycle to which its the first time. Everyone was a rookie at some time. Thanks to all

[Bodacious]

I beleave that AI was only breifly touched on.. OP are you planing on running a dex or stane? Throughout? Also not not trying to be a grammar teacher and maybe it was autocorrect but it is noLVA as in NOLVADEX not novia just don't want you looking for novia or asking ing someone for that...

Thanks man for all the input learning how to use this site. AI dex or stane??? Confused I don't know please help

Let's try this another way whats a good cycle for someone with my stats and try to add lean muscle. A starter cycle to which its the first time. Everyone was a rookie at some time. Thanks to all

[Bodacious]

no prob bro.. think we pretty much covered the basics..

You may want to hit the Nutrition forum n have em help you line up a solid diet as well. Keep in mind, on cycle your body demands more calories to maximize growth, approx 25% more would be a good goal

Hey jasc thanks so much for all the help on everything. You said to eat 25% more as I am trying to lose weight right now and then add back muscle.

[TFf]

I'm in the same boat. Want to start my first cycle.. Here is how I broke it Down

I would like to take test E 500mg a week (pin 250 on Monday's and Thursday's)
Also an aromatize inhibitor "a dex" is armidex/anastrazolol (sp) .25 mg every other day (eod)
Starting week 4-5 till finish cycle run HCG at 250 iu (international units) twice a week (on same days as test)
Two weeks after last test injection start PCT nolvadex first week 40mg/day weeks 2, 3, and 4 20 mg/day and clomid week one 100ng/day and weeks 2 3 and 4 50 mg a day...
Also I wil have extra nolva on hand incase of gyno or other estrogen sides although it is my impression that with test and AI. They will be lower but know that everyone is completely different gotta be safe..
Hope it helps.

[TFf]

Test 12 weeks by the way

[jasc]

Hey jasc thanks so much for all the help on everything. You said to eat 25% more as I am trying to lose weight right now and then add back muscle.

No prob bro

Don't up the diet yet. Work on cutting the weight for now, but once you begin your cycle slowly increase calories

[jasc]

I'm in the same boat. Want to start my first cycle.. Here is how I broke it Down

I would like to take test E 500mg a week (pin 250 on Monday's and Thursday's)
Also an aromatize inhibitor "a dex" is armidex/anastrazolol (sp) .25 mg every other day (eod)
Starting week 4-5 till finish cycle run HCG at 250 iu (international units) twice a week (on same days as test)
Two weeks after last test injection start PCT nolvadex first week 40mg/day weeks 2, 3, and 4 20 mg/day and clomid week one 100ng/day and weeks 2 3 and 4 50 mg a day...
Also I wil have extra nolva on hand incase of gyno or other estrogen sides although it is my impression that with test and AI. They will be lower but know that everyone is completely different gotta be safe..
Hope it helps.

Looks good man

tTf's basically got this whole thread summed up right here.

[TFf]

2 for 1! Got my cycle critiqued and helped someone on their thread! Score

[Bodacious]

Hey guys will the test-e put water weight on me? Because a guy at the gym said it will make you look fat. Don't know if he knows what he is talking about he said it will just make you stronger. I am going for that lean big and hard look. I am going to try and post some pics of myself so I can get more advice. Thanks again.

[Bodacious]

2 for 1! Got my cycle critiqued and helped someone on their thread! Score

X2 good job

[jasc]

Hey guys will the test-e put water weight on me? Because a guy at the gym said it will make you look fat. Don't know if he knows what he is talking about he said it will just make you stronger. I am going for that lean big and hard look. I am going to try and post some pics of myself so I can get more advice. Thanks again.

Long esters such as E & C are said to cause more bloat than short esters, but to what extent depends on the individual.. All test will bloat you to some extent, but how much can be controlled.

Using an AI will stop a lot of the bloat, also watch sodium intake, n drink a lot of water and you shouldn't have a problem with it.
Estrogen control is important to minimizing water retention.

It is true that a little water retention is actually beneficial n can provide increased stregnth gains.

[Bodacious]

Long esters such as E & C are said to cause more bloat than short esters, but to what extent depends on the individual.. All test will bloat you to some extent, but how much can be controlled.

Using an AI will stop a lot of the bloat, also watch sodium intake, n drink a lot of water and you shouldn't have a problem with it.
Estrogen control is important to minimizing water retention.

It is true that a little water retention is actually beneficial n can provide increased stregnth gains.

Thanks jasc,

So I really dont have much to worrie about that then do I? Because I always run first before I workout and I wear a sweat jacket and sweat shirt so I can sweat it out of me. The AI everyone talks about that would be my HCG if I am taking this info right. Which I will start it around week 3 or 4 and stop say on Thursday. Right before I start a PCT on that Monday which would be some where to 14 days after my last test injection. HCG pill form or injection?

Jasc Tried to send you a PM but cant figure out how to.

I said in my other post I want to post a pic where I am at right now. To make sure I am good to go for this cycle or if I need to work soemthing else out before hand. If I was to go throught with this and try this what should I expect? I want to look my best at the end of July So I got to plan it so I will.

THANKS AGAIN !!!

[TFf]

Not sure I understand your question... The AI you would use is armidex... You run it every other day throughout your cycle starting at .25 mg adjust as needed... And HCG is a sub Q injection that you will run 2x a week at 250iu per injection starting week 4.. And you can't pm yet till you have 50 posts..

[Bodacious]

Not sure I understand your question... The AI you would use is armidex... You run it every other day throughout your cycle starting at .25 mg adjust as needed... And HCG is a sub Q injection that you will run 2x a week at 250iu per injection starting week 4.. And you can't pm yet till you have 50 posts..

Thanks man.

[Bodacious]

armidex do you start that at week one?

So let me get this straight. For one cycle and to do it right you need..

Test E 12 weeks Pin Twice a week at 250mg
armidex .25 mg every other day for 12 weeks

Starting at week 3 or 4 HCG 250 iu same days as test (can you pin both at once?) Till 3 or 4 days till you start your PCT. So after the 12 weeks you will still run HCG till 3 or 4 days till your PCT.

PCT
Cliomd 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Is that one cycle or do you need something else lol ?

Thats alot of stuff right there, it seems to me. Thanks

[TFf]

You can do HCG and test at same time but test is an intramuscular injection and HCG is sun cutaneous injection.... Don't forget to have extra nolva on hand on top of what you have for pct... Starting armidex week one. , yes. I have even heard of ppl starting a week prior to their first week of aas

[jasc]

armidex do you start that at week one?

So let me get this straight. For one cycle and to do it right you need..

Test E 12 weeks Pin Twice a week at 250mg
armidex .25 mg every other day for 12 weeks

Starting at week 3 or 4 HCG 250 iu same days as test (can you pin both at once?) Till 3 or 4 days till you start your PCT. So after the 12 weeks you will still run HCG till 3 or 4 days till your PCT.

PCT
Cliomd 100/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Is that one cycle or do you need something else lol ?

Thats alot of stuff right there, it seems to me. Thanks

Got it pretty well covered there.

Yes, start the Arimidex wk 1. It's stops the estrogen conversion by blocking the aromatase enzyme. So as soon as you start to pin you'll wanna start this so no test will convert to estro.

I'd pin the test n hcg seperately. Test is oil based, hcg is water based..
I'd pin the hcg sub-q with an insulin pin.

[Bodacious]

Got it pretty well covered there.

Yes, start the Arimidex wk 1. It's stops the estrogen conversion by blocking the aromatase enzyme. So as soon as you start to pin you'll wanna start this so no test will convert to estro.

I'd pin the test n hcg seperately. Test is oil based, hcg is water based..
I'd pin the hcg sub-q with an insulin pin.

Dang finally getting it now. That just seems like a lot of shots.


HCG sub-q???

I think this thread is helping a lot of people that wants to learn and understand this stuff. Has helped me out a lot. I didn't realize t was this hard to use. Might not be once I get it down.

By taking a test only cycle, I know it will let my body adjust and see how its Going to react. What should I expect from the cycle just get stronger or overall look bigger and harder?

[jasc]

Sub-q (subcutaneous): You pin in to a fatty area n go in at a 45 degree angle with a slin pin. It doesn't go nearly as deep as an IM injection. They're almost completely painless n faster than pinning test.

Arimidex is oral. I'm guessing you already knew this, but many new guys get the liquid then post about how to inject it, so just wanted to clarify.

After you learn it it's pretty simple, there's just a lot to learn at first. Subsequent cycles should be very similar to this set-up with a few small tweaks.

Results vary from person to person, so it's hard to say what you'll gain/keep. My first cycle my diet was on point and I killed it in the gym. In 12.5weeks I gained 19lbs while remaining at 8% bodyfat. All said and done, after PCT I had kept 15lbs n still 8% bf. Around 15-20lbs seems to be common for a first cycle, everyone will be different, but just an observation from reading a lot of people's experiences.

Also, I saw you posted another thread about hcg/hgh. They are completely different compounds. If you can not get HCG you can still run your cycle if you'd like. Although it is beneficial, it's not crucial. Your balls will shrink more and recovery will be a bit harder, but you can still run a successful cycle without it. PCT will take care of your recovery. Not everyone uses HCG, especially on a "light" cycle like this, I just recommend/use it every time because of the benefits.

[lifeiswheyeasy]

I think in a year or so you will start to see propecia in pct because of the hair loss and prostate problems that is if your body is effected by it. my good friend has been taking it just as a preventative maintenance so far he gives it five stars.