Serious swelling of quad/upper knee

[Kansas City Boy]

Hey guys,


I'm really irritated. The tren a/prop/masteron cut mix I got must have a really high BA content. I was injecting 1mL ED (50mg/50mg/50g) of the cut mix and the injections were slightly inflamed the next day. So I decided to go EoD, thinking that reducing the number of pins would make my life easier on this painful cycle.... NOPE... I injected 2mL of the mix into my glute. It was swollen for about 3-4 days and really painful... Then I did my right quad the next injection (2 days later). My quad is inflamed so much that there's swelling around the top of my knee cap that is preventing me from bending my leg. My entire quad is sore, and my knee is becoming sore due to the discomfort from the swelling.

I was thinking that the product had crystallized so I bought a heating pad to aid in getting rid of them. I have been doing the heating pad 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off and the pain is really reduced. My knee is not near as swollen as it was; however, it's still significantly swollen.


How can I prevent this? Is there anything I can do besides cutting it with sterile oil?? If that's the best option, any recommended sites for purchasing sterile oils??

Think I might go back to ED injections until I can find a solution


Any advice/knowledge/previous experiences are welcome

Thanks

[stpete]

Have you considered 1ml EOD?

[Kansas City Boy]

Bump, would really like some insight here fellahs


I ordered some sterile grapeseed oil today... Not sure how long it will take to get here...

In the mean time, should I stick to EoD injections or temporarily switch back to ED??? The ED injections are less painful but more plentiful, EoD are almost unbearable...

Sigh

[honda4life]

Im running prop/tren at 1ml each EOD.. so 2cc total and i get a lump size of baseball in my asscheek lasts about 4-5 days n itches like all hell but dull pain nothing major. my delts are swelling up and getting hard and turning red for a few days as well after injections. Im going to smaller doses but ED and spread it all around more and see if it helps. Prop n Tren is no joke man its surely painful.

[Kansas City Boy]

For sure man, I wish I would have bought my tren a/prop/masteron all separately instead of in one premade mix.... WHATEVER YOU DO, do not hit your quads with 2mL of this shit.... My quad was swelled 2-3x its normal size and it was swelled so much it was keeping my knee from bending.... Finally invested in a heating pad and had that shit on my quad all day today. Now I have red and white splotches all over my quad.

[honda4life]

For sure man. I havnt hit my quads yet. been rotating glute glute delt delt. BUT i think i also figured my huge lump and swelling in ass cheek is i was using a 1" pin. ordered my 1.5s tonight. HOPEFULLY that takes care of it. and Im also gonna be doing ED pins. i know its a pain but id rather do 1cc a day total than 2cc into one area and get these knots and swelling and redness and soreness as the oils soak in. Ill make a post in a week or 2 to update Im gonna be using 25x1 tho for delts and quads. 23x1 is maybe adding more irritation too. sure the inject takes longer but then again its supposed to be slow right guys? lol

[lovbyts]

How fast are you guys injecting? How long does it take to push the plunger down?

[gearbox]

[QUOTE=Kansas City Boy;5925957]Hey guys,


I'm really irritated. The tren a/prop/masteron cut mix I got must have a really high BA content. I was injecting 1mL ED (50mg/50mg/50g) of the cut mix and the injections were slightly inflamed the next day. So I decided to go EoD, thinking that reducing the number of pins would make my life easier on this painful cycle.... NOPE... I injected 2mL of the mix into my glute. It was swollen for about 3-4 days and really painful... Then I did my right quad the next injection (2 days later). My quad is inflamed so much that there's swelling around the top of my knee cap that is preventing me from bending my leg. My entire quad is sore, and my knee is becoming sore due to the discomfort from the swelling.

I was thinking that the product had crystallized so I bought a heating pad to aid in getting rid of them. I have been doing the heating pad 20 minutes on, 20 minutes off and the pain is really reduced. My knee is not near as swollen as it was; however, it's still significantly swollen.

How many cycles have you ran? Is this your first time running prop?

[GettinSwole66]

Prop, tren and mast can be painful. Its actually one of my favorite cycles to run though! I cut mine with 1cc of B12 and it really makes it smooth...

[Kansas City Boy]

Gearbox this is my 6th cycle, never ran a short test ester besides in a t400 combo.. So Prop at a pretty low dosage

I injected 2mL into the right glute today... Took some extra precautions today... Really hoping I can get myself out of bed in the morning without help. I literally brought my Rottweilers Rope toy into my bed and called him in my room in the morning and had him pull me up out of bed with the rope.... fml.... I order 50mL sterile grapeseed extract today. Going to start cutting it once it gets in (Hoping soon :-/ ) I won't lie, the results are going to have to be outrageous for me to run this mix ever again.

The extra precautions I took today were: I warmed the vial with kitchen sink water (As hot as it would get.... Hot enough to burn your hand... Not sure on temp). Drawing it out of the vial was like butter though!! I also used a heating pad on my ass cheek before/after injection and massaged it for a long period of time afterwards.

Last question to answer, How fast am I injecting? I normally go slower than most; however, with this shit I'm going ultra slow. Probably about 45s-1min per mL. Was doing 30seconds per mL on the past shots... Gonna keep slowing it down to see if it makes the injections any more bearable.

I will keep yall posted on the glute injection over the next 2 days and let you know if it helped any.


ALSO, any recommendations on how much grapeseed extract to cut my blend of prop/tren a/masteron with?? It's 150mg/mL (50mg of each compound). I was thinking about doing a 1:1 ratio of gear/grapeseed; however, I really don't want to be putting 4mL into any injection sites.... I would probably be okay with glutes but I wouldn't even consider trying 4mL in my quads. What about .5mL grapeseed extract per 1mL gear..... 2mL gear + 1mL grapeseed extract = 3mL. I feel comfortable putting that in my quads and glutes.


Is there any kind of golden rule for cutting gear??? Any certain ratio you want?


Thanks again everyone


ps: I'm assuming injectable b12 is not a controlled substance... So I hope I'm not out of line by asking this... Can I get injectable b12 at a local pharmacy without a script?? Or where can I legally obtain injectable b12 besides the internet lol??

[Kansas City Boy]

12 hours after my glute injection that I took extra precautions with: warming vial, warming muscle..... The pain is significantly less;however, I'm not sure if my leg hurts so bad that my body has naturally put a priority on my leg pain. The heating pad is a must every morning before standing up. Will let you guys know later, in the mean time, anyone know anything about cutting steriods??? Bonaparte, where are you!?

[BBrian]

I recently ordered injectable B12 and have injected it twice. It is the most painful, stinging compound that I have ever injected, and when I begin to massage the injection site, the pain is even greater while the stuff spreads out. But after that all pain is gone, and there's no sign left of injecting 2ml of a liquid into my quad. I don't know if this is the case with all injectable B12's, so be warned if you ever decide to cut with this stuff. It feels like getting banged by a wasp.

The last time I got a cortisol shot, it was in my ankle. The doctor took the needle and went up and down and all around as he injected a little here and a little there. Painful ****ing shot. But it did give me an idea for when I inject 2cc or more. I will take my needle, plunge it all the way in, inject some, pull it up a little, aspirate, then inject a little more. With a 1.5" needle I can do this about three times and feel like I'm effectively injecting into spaces far enough apart in my muscle to matter, instead of having one 2-3cc lump in the exact same place. This might help with your injection pain, just a thought.

[Kansas City Boy]

That's a good idea bro. I will give that a try tomorrow with my next glute injection. Just pull out the needle just the tiniest amount and inject a lil more... repeat... Sounds good, I will let you know if it alleviates any swelling or pain. Thanks bud

[Kansas City Boy]

Quad swelling has went down a lot. The heating pad and high doses of ibuprofen have made it close to bearable. My most recent injection in my right glute is swollen and painful but not as bad as my last one. Hoping my sterile oil comes in the mail ASAP

[Kansas City Boy]

quad swelling is pretty much gone... still a little tightness and lack of mobility of the knee; however, it's finally good enough to use without wencing every step. It only took 7 day... Never again will I put 2mL of this shit in my quad lol. BBRian, thanks for the advice on the re-pla***ent of the needle for the injection. I managed to get about 3 different squirts in my left glute last night and it feels great this morning *knock on wood* This was also my second time hitting the same injection site so I think that might have a little to do with it as well. From now on I'm going to keep using that technique BBrian, we need a name for it lol.

[cb714]

I feel your pain bro, I just posted something similar today. Leg feels like someone hit it with a bat. Sucks. Probably excessive BA. I've noticed that when I pin smack in the middle of the muscle, the pain is not as bad. Last night I think I pinned right between the rectus femoris and the vastus lateralis, not in the middle of either one and that shit hurts like a MF today.

[Kansas City Boy]

Okay guys... more problems... sigh

NEVER running tren a/prop/masteron in a mixed blend together ever again....


Now I'm having crazy lower back swelling after injecting glutes... Swelling went down and I stopped worrying... then it flared back up tonight... Anyone ever get hardcore swelling in lower back/tailbone region after hitting glutes with 2mL??

Probably gonna wait this one out a few more days.... Gonna go ahead and inject the right glute tonight... My body is slowly getting use to the cut mix... By the time my sterile grapeseed oil gets here I'm not even going to freaking need it... sigh

At least I will have some sterile oil on hand from here on out...

Thanks for listening to me bitch guys... This cycle has been terrible... Not even feeling that great of gains... might be placebo that I'm feeling.

I have been having night sweats, some controlled rage... mostly notice it when I'm driving. Pretty potent urine in the mornings. My appetite is being suppressed hardcore between the tren and the adderall.... Maybe that is keeping me from seeing huge gains?? Waiting for my next chest workout before I claim the gear as "SHIT"

[honda4life]

Dude I had so many of the same effects you are. I had to fine tune my process. I was I inj 2ml EOD as well. Huge lumps in ass, pain into lower back. Red n itch shoulders.

My solution was this. And seems to have fixed 90% of the issues. Inject 1cc ED. I'm rotating quads glutes delts. So it gets hit every 6 days. Small amounts. No lore lumps. No more red swelling. Pining daily sucks but I went to a 25x1 for quad n delt. 23x1.5 glutes. Maybe this will help u.

I'm on my 5th week. Only sides I'm seeing are some tren itch. Upper arms itch like all get out some days. No night sweats unless sleeping next to someone. No rage. I'm a very passive low tempered person so hopefully I never develop that. And my nuts shrunk like 1/3 of their orig size.

Good luck man. I think some people's bodies just don't take the big amounts of oil well.